I wish OP would come back.
I know sometimes reading the replies you get to a thread can be hard. A while back I looked back at some threads I made months before I split up with my ex. I wish I had looked at them more at the time- I probably would've split with him earlier. I did PM OP yesterday. @Aurelia278 How's you?
FFS. If you are in a relationship, then you are interested in having sex with your partner. Sometimes more interested, sometimes less. We're not talking here about strangers and rape, although some pps gladly bringing up rape references into this situation.
@Teensandfuture Marital rape is a thing, and illegal in many countries. If your contention that someone in a relationship is always up for it with their partner was true, then it wouldn't be a thing.
It's not coercion either. If OP would agree to have sex because he said to her "think we're done here if we don't have sex tonight" , that would be coersive behaviour {...} Manipulative or coersive behaviour? It's questionable, without substantial evidence.
You say if he'd succeeded in emotionally coercing OP into having sex she didn't want then it'd be coercion in your book. So, to you it's attempted coercion, which you must see is manipulative for sure.
You all here make him sound abusive coercive rapist when in fact he's just a rude twat that doesn't control his emotions well . He wants to have a relationship that will satisfy him sexually, who are you to say he can't have that? Because OP thinks her feelings on the matter more important than his and he's being unreasonable ? His feelings just as important as hers, not more not less.
He's an abusive twat who chooses to display his emotions to make someone feel cajoled into doing what he wants, or to punish them. Yes, someone not wanting to have sex must always, always override someone else's desire to. Otherwise we would live in a society where someone not always giving their partner/a lover sex when they're not in the mood is illegal, rather than the other way around. That would be an utter dystopia. Your opinions are making me feel sick, now.
I've also shared my personal experience about rape, please don't try to tell you have more right to talk about rape and linking it to this scenario then me denying the link exists.
PP's have said their experience of rape/coercion (sexual abuse, one way or another) are just like/similar to the scenario described. Yours is not so when it comes to this particular scenario, no, you don't know what you're taling about. Or at least, you're denying the reality of others' experiences and dismissing it.
ploughing through that first hurdle
Wow, that's so hot I'm surprised they don't show it in porn. Well they probably do- in rapey porn.
if a boundary is crossed you both try to understand eachother and repair the damage.
@Colourmeclear I heartily believe that men aren't thick, they know what they're doing. So, if they ignore a boundary then it's deliberate. Sometimes they can think it's seductive though I suppose (partly through societal training) but it's still ignoring/trying to push at a woman's no.
people on here are saying that I have been sexual coerced into thinking you should occasionally put some effort in your sex life.
@Hariboqueen1 I'd say you've been indoctrinated by society into thinking you should have sex when you don't want it.
If the husband said “hey look I’d really like it if our sex life could be a bit more reciprocal” and approached it in a calm and diplomatic way, totally different.
@Staringpoodleplottingrottie Yep I'd agree with that.
Say a man gives his wife foreplay a few times a week and she enjoys it but she hasn’t given him foreplay in a few months because she can’t really be bothered and doesn’t feel like it. Do you think that’s ok then? Do you not think she’s being lazy and should put some effort in?
Haribo- I think we need to change the whole culture of sex. Foreplay is a chore to give most of the time, and we should't be doing things we don't want. We shouldn't be doing stuff because we think that's what's expected of us in sex, whether we want to or not. But I don't have the answers. Sometimes I might feel like giving oral, but I think I don't most of the time, I do it more as a performance, putting on a good show. (I don't like receiving it at all, so it's not like I'm asking for something I'm not prepared to give.) This has maybe become more so with women of the generation below me (I'm 43) due to the abundance of porn.
I don't think I feel the same about giving oral to a woman, so maybe I'm much more gay than bi, IDK. Not doing things they find a chore/do because they think they should or as a performance would help people be clearer within themselves about what they like or dislike, do or don't really want to do.
Relenting isn't consenting.
@differentnameforthis Spot on.
I also agree with PP's who say doing sexual stuff when you don't want it is psychologically harmful.