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I have ruined my life

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Mylifeisamess0 · 23/08/2020 21:56

I have been with dh 25 years, 15 years ago he had several affairs, I stayed because of young dc. He was useless with DC never helped at all. He also was financially controlling so I went back to work. I had wanted to leave for a long time, then I did something stupid and got friendly with a man from work. He emotionally supported me for a year, then I went on a date with him. He encouraged me to phone women’s aid get support etc. They told me dh was controlling and emotionally and financially sbusive. I stupidly started sleeping with other man after this while I planned to leave dh. Emotions grew, more so on his side. When lockdown eased we started to meet outside to talk, and in July I finally left my dh. I thought I would feel relief. Instead I’ve started noticing things about the other man I do not like, he is loud and opinionated and I think maybe a tad controlling. My poor dh doesn’t know what’s been going on. He wants to come back. I want him back. He said he has realised all his mistakes and will change. There is one problem. The other man knows where I live and said he will tell dh everything if I go back to him as he’s not standing my and letting me be abused again. I miss dh so much. I have created a huge mess. I feel like giving up on life but I cannot as I have children. This other man seemed like the answer but it’s created more problems. I genuinely feel dh can change. Me asking him to leave has been a huge shock to him and we both miss being a family

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updownroundandround · 24/08/2020 17:30

OP, you are being very brave. It IS scary. But you ARE doing it already............you are putting yourself and your DC FIRST.

You should be very proud of yourself. Flowers

Whenever you feel confused, unsure etc..........read this whole thread, again and again if that's what it takes to keep you strong.

YOU are all your children need. Remember that.

Block both OM and DH. (you can open new email for DH and seeing kids arrangements etc). Block them on ALL other platforms.

You don't need them trying to muddy the waters or confuse you. NEITHER wants what's best for you and DC. Both just want what's best for THEM.

Don't worry about things you cannot control. If OM tells DH, tough shit. You can tell him you know how it feels !

No blackmail, no bullying, no listening to the ''I've changed !'' or ''I'll take care of you !'' crap, and it IS crap. It's just them saying what they think you want to hear, then once you give in, it's business as usual, with YOU being the loser every time.

Stay strong. Flowers It WILL get better in time. You WILL succeed at being a 'single parent'. LOTS of us have done it, and come out the other side a lot wiser too, you will too.

Mylifeisamess0 · 24/08/2020 17:33

I hate it than when I was with DH I thought I loved OM. Then after leaving DH for OM I now feel I love DH and can’t live without him. It’s so confusing in my head.

Still no reply from OM. DH has replied he will give me as much space as I need and to let him know if I need anything

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Vodkacranberryplease · 24/08/2020 18:28

Well DH will be singing a different tune when the OM gets in touch with him so I wouldn't get too used to him being nice. If you go back he will make you pay - you thought he was controlling then?

Literally everything will be about how you can't be trusted. He's a cheat so of course a massive hypocrite too. But I'm sure he will put on a good show. Till he's got you back under control. Then it changes.

I don't understand though. You say in your first post hes gentle. But women aid say he's abusive?

MyLifeWTF · 24/08/2020 19:09

I feel like this is a case of better the devil you know. Unfortunately OM turned out to be a bit of an arsehole which has made you feel like you should get back with DH because at least you're used to his arseholeness but if OM was a wonderful prince charming and you had no problems then you wouldnt even think about let alone miss DH.

I agree with all the posters that you should get rid of both and really work on yourself...so what if OM tells DH, you've separated. You're worried about his reaction because you know how abusive he is, that in itself should make you realise you shouldn't be with him.

On the other hand I can completely understand why you feel like you do and it is more common than you think, you have the upper hand because you know this is trauma bonding and once you are aware of it you can actually escape it.

pasteldechocolateconchispa · 24/08/2020 19:14

Let me tell you one thing these bastards never ever change, no matter how much they promise I’ve been there and went back, they amount of times I tried to leave, had nights away, it’s takes something like 7 times to actually finally leave. All his promises were bollocks.

The other ones knows the shit you’ve gone through yet he’s making threats already.

You’re better off alone, honestly, have no man to answer to, it’s shit to start with but it will get better.

Stay strong xx

Mylifeisamess0 · 24/08/2020 21:27

He is a quiet gentle man, and affectionate too. But he has had multiple affairs, gaslighted me, controlled finances, never helped with dc which has left me burnt out. Gives me silent treatment if I go out with friends. Puts me down sometimes. Has called me lazy. Puts all his hobbies before me. Women’s aid said it was coerced control and said I could apply to stay in a refuge and didn’t recommend staying in the house. But stupid me asked him to leave as I didn’t want the dc in a refuge but now I feel I haven’t really escaped the situation. He has been sending me essays of what he will do to change. And I don’t want to break the family up and he’s been my life for so long

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Mylifeisamess0 · 24/08/2020 21:29

OM was a friend but it was also sexual but it started to turn into more. But I did notice red flags but chose to ignore them. Now I feel I have two controlling men wanting to be with me and it’s turned into a nightmare

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HerrenaHarridan · 24/08/2020 21:31

First poster nailed it

Everything else is excuses

HotSauceCommittee · 24/08/2020 21:45

DH will change for a bit, then be a cock again when his feet are back under the table.

This as a previous poster said. Anyway, your ex husband has had affairs in the past so he'll have to suck this one up.
They are both horrible. Tell your ex that you had an affair. No one can blackmail you then and if he walks away, I honestly think that this is the best thing for you.
Imagine how you'll feel, how relaxed you'll be when both are out of the picture. You won't have to please anyone then and can do what you want.
You ex is the father of your children and will continue to be so. He doesn't need to be in a relationship with you to do that x

NotaCoolMum · 24/08/2020 21:46

@Mylifeisamess0

He is a quiet gentle man, and affectionate too. But he has had multiple affairs, gaslighted me, controlled finances, never helped with dc which has left me burnt out. Gives me silent treatment if I go out with friends. Puts me down sometimes. Has called me lazy. Puts all his hobbies before me. Women’s aid said it was coerced control and said I could apply to stay in a refuge and didn’t recommend staying in the house. But stupid me asked him to leave as I didn’t want the dc in a refuge but now I feel I haven’t really escaped the situation. He has been sending me essays of what he will do to change. And I don’t want to break the family up and he’s been my life for so long
There is absolutely NOTHING about this man that is “gentle” OP. His words are empty. He had years to “change”....
Mylifeisamess0 · 24/08/2020 21:48

I feel while having the affair I looked at my ex as all bad (and even before the affair) but now we have split I can see there were nice bits of him that I didn’t notice. So I’m thinking maybe my perspective was wrong and I should have appreciated the good bits. But then women’s aid confirmed he was abusive. I’m sure they wouldn’t say that lightly?

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NotaCoolMum · 24/08/2020 21:57

They definitely wouldn’t say that lightly. That’s the whole battle when people say “why do women always go back to their abusers?”... it’s because you remember the “good” parts and the bad parts don’t seem so bad in hindsight. The problem is that the bad parts REALLY do outweigh the good. I honestly think you shouldn’t make ANY decisions right now (especially about being with EITHER of these men) as you are feeling so lost. Let yourself heal for awhile op- take care of yourself. Take care of your DCs and focus on YOU for once. Treat yourself the way you’d treat your best friend if it was her in your situation. Be KIND to yourself and try to get to a place where you feel more at peace- then you can make better choices with a clear mind xx and please know that this WILL pass xx

NotaCoolMum · 24/08/2020 21:59

Take a look at this OP xx

I have ruined my life
SixesAndEights · 24/08/2020 22:02

@Mylifeisamess0

I feel while having the affair I looked at my ex as all bad (and even before the affair) but now we have split I can see there were nice bits of him that I didn’t notice. So I’m thinking maybe my perspective was wrong and I should have appreciated the good bits. But then women’s aid confirmed he was abusive. I’m sure they wouldn’t say that lightly?
There are always nice bits. If you feel you want to put up with the horrible, abusive parts just to experience the occasional nice bits, that's your decision.
Lifeislikeaboxofchocolat · 24/08/2020 22:09

As previous posters have said, he’s being nice now, supportive financially and with the kids. But he’s trying to get back in the family home.
He will be as nice as pie, all the things you wanted him to be previously to get back with his feet under the table.
As soon as he’s back I would give it a few weeks and you will start noticing his mask slipping again and you will be back at square one.
I’m sorry to say he knows how to manipulate you and work this situation for himself.
You’re seeing the nice side now, because he’s playing you like a fiddle.
You know this deep down surely, listen to women’s aid, they come across many men like him. They have no agenda, listen to what they’re telling you.

Beebopbad · 24/08/2020 22:35

Op your story sounds remarkably like my DM. She had a wierd affair with this military guy who was controlling.

Here's what I think. Trust your instinct. Your instinct is telling you that neither of these relationships are completely right. You were unhappy, this led you to the OH. Is DH someone you can live with? What price to your self? You are stronger than you think.

Dery · 25/08/2020 09:41

"He is a quiet gentle man, and affectionate too. But he has had multiple affairs, gaslighted me, controlled finances, never helped with dc which has left me burnt out. Gives me silent treatment if I go out with friends. Puts me down sometimes. Has called me lazy. Puts all his hobbies before me."

Dear OP - please read the above paragraph back to yourself. Your H may be quiet, but he is not gentle. I think you equate being gentle with a lack of physical violence. But in fact he has been emotionally and psychologically violent to you both by action (having affairs, controlling finances, putting you down, giving you the silent treatment when you go out with friends) and by omission since he has been neglectful of you and his DCs (neglect is a violent act of omission).

That is not how a good husband and father behaves. That's how a bad husband and father behaves. He says he will change now that he's lost his cushy number but that behaviour you describe - that's the true man. And he's been like that for years and years. And he thought that was okay.

My DH and I get really pissed off with each other sometimes and have the occasional really big row. That's the full extent of it. He has always been very actively engaged in childcare, put me and DCs front and centre of his social activities, been completely open and sharing with his finances. He's been very supportive of my career. He's been happy for me to go out with friends and wouldn't dream of sulking because I had done so. That's how a decent partner behaves.

Honestly, what you're describing is so bad. Of course there are some good bits - no-one would tolerate being treated like sh1t all the time and abusers know how to love bomb like there's no tomorrow. Indeed, they're usually happy to treat their partner like a princess as long as she does exactly what he tells her to do and makes no demands of her own. It's part of training her to meet his needs.

Please spend some serious time on your own. You need to find yourself again and understand just how strong and competent you are. You're viewing your relationship through rose-tinted glasses because you are scared of going it alone. But you absolutely can and will manage. If your H is willing to wait it out during this time (and I mean several months/even a year), and do some serious work on himself as to why he was willing to treat you so badly and prove time and again that he has changed, then maybe in a year or two from now - just maybe you will feel able to go back. But you've taken such a big step now and you're getting through the hardest part - don't waste all this effort and work.

Gobbycop · 25/08/2020 12:20

In a quarter of a century your husband hasn't changed. Why would he now.

You can do better.

Start a fresh.

category12 · 25/08/2020 12:44

Of course there were good bits to your marriage, but he cheated on you repeatedly, gaslighted you, financially abused you, treated you like a skivvy and emotionally abused you. For years.

If he is capable of behaving differently, you have to realise - he chose to do that to you for years and years. He preferred to abuse and denigrate you than to treat you properly. He could have been kind to you all the time, and make you feel good and safe, and he could have done his share at home, but he chose not to. And you've got to know that as soon as he feels safe that he had you back, he would backslide into those behaviours.

On the other hand, you also say he's a narcissist - that's a personality disorder and it doesn't go away. If he's not capable of change, then everything he's saying is a lie to get you back and the mask will slip soon enough.

Yes it's scary to be on your own, and you know you have a trauma bond to him - you've got to fight that. Nothing has changed.

If you had a friend who had gone through what you have with a partner, would you be telling her that she should let the good bits make up for the abuse? You have to be a friend to yourself.

backseatcookers · 25/08/2020 14:49

OP have you heard back from the other guy yet? He sounds like he's preyed one someone vulnerable who is receptive to abusive and / or controlling behaviour. I would be very wary of him and focus on being content being single before even considering dating again. Google the shark cage, I think it'll be really helpful for you - it was for me:

AlternateName · 25/08/2020 15:50

Sounds like you would be better off on your own.

Am a bit confused, you said you had young children 15 years ago but also that you would struggle to take care of children on your own now - did you go on to have more children with your husband after finding out about the affairs?

workhomesleeprepeat · 25/08/2020 16:07

They both sound like rubbish, dump them both.

Where are your kids in this? How old are they now?

OP I know it feels big and horrible and scary. But you're not going to die. Call the police if you feel new guy is going to get violent.

QuentinWinters · 25/08/2020 16:26

You poor thing opFlowers
FWIW I think you have done amazingly to leave DH and bin OM. Controlling relationships erode your self esteem to the point where you feel you can't do anything. I'm 2 years out of one and still panic that I'm useless, can't do even simple jobs (e.g. laundry). And have occasional pangs of missing exH.
But .... also a lot of times where I'm proud that I've proved his view of me wrong. Like yesterday where I checked out of a holiday cottage 45 mind early. He always told me I was lazy, disorganised and useless at packing, now I have internalised that. But its not true.
I hope you are still seeing the therapist. The long emails etc from your husband are designed to confuse you. You are better observing what he does for a few months. Is he looking after DC? Is he controlling finances still? Just step back and observe, there is no rush, you will get your answer. He won't be able to keep an act up for months, so you will see if he's genuinely changed.
But use your therapist to support/bounce your observations off.
Good luck, stop beating yourself up and pressuring yourself to sort this out today. Trust yourself that you will know the right decision at the right time. If you don't know today - it's not the right time

M0mmzee · 25/08/2020 17:35

You seem to be caught in vicious circle here. Women with a kind heart are often targeted by controlling narcissistic men. I know from experience and it’s a real battle trying to stand up for yourself and be strong.
If I was in your position the first thing I would do is meet with your DH and have a heart to heart. Don’t tell him about the other man (not everything that is). Tell him he shows an interest in you and that when you mentioned you would like to try again with DH, he blackmailed you by saying he would tell your DH that you slept with him. It’s only your word against his. It would most likely hurt your DH a lot if he thought you had been unfaithful, however the OM is definitely one to steer clear of if this is the attitude he displays!
With your DH’s support maybe you can work out between you what the best course of action is to get OM out of your life.
After that you never know, your DH might surpass himself and help and communicate more. Good luck.

Mylifeisamess0 · 25/08/2020 21:35

Thank you for all the replies. The other man has replied that he will take a step back as he doesn’t want to make me ill. DH said he will give me more time to think but he is now being extra nice and sending messages. I’m still doing the therapy so that is helping. The therapist said DH may change for a bit but he’s just trying to get back his control. When I speak to the therapist it all makes sense but when confronted with DH being kind I feel like I’m going crazy and imagined how bad it was before he left??

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