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Friends' husbands making passes

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GettingItWrong · 19/08/2020 09:29

I have lost a number of friendships with men and couple friendships over the past few years.

The friendships turn sour because, at some point, the man makes a pass of some description at me.

Ive had everything from a drunken move to kiss me when their wife is out of the room, to propositions for an affair to declarations of love.

Only one of these friendships has survived because his wife was a bloody star. She asked him directly if he had feelings for me, he said yes, they split up and she asked to meet me and told me she knew it was nothing I had done and she wanted to make sure we didnt lose our friendship because of him. It was awkward for a few months but now our friendship is stronger than ever. They have now reconciled and our friendships are (nearly) back on track.

Aside from that, I was friends with a couple for several years. We went on holidays together, our children were friends, we spent christmases together and then, BAM, he made a drunken pass at me. I turned him down. I didn't tell his wife for various reasons (I know she wouldn't ever leave him and I didn't want to put a bomb in the middle of it; I didn't want my family to lose their family; I didn't want to lose the friendships). Anyway, I rejected him, put it down to drink and it didnt happen again until 2 years later when he told me he loved me. Again I rejected him, tried to make light of it, I guess, but was also clear that he needed to sort out his own relationship and not drag me into it. All fine for a few months until he changed his behaviour towards me - made spiteful remarks about me when we were out if a man spoke to me; comments that I was 'ugly'; and eventually something happened and I haven't spoken to either of them since.

I don't make friends easily and these were the closest friendships I had.

I've had similar issues with male friends: some single, some married but where I don't know the wives.

I've never had an affair or been an affair partner. I don't flirt with married men. I don't feel flattered by it. I don't message the husbands/partners and always respond appropriately to any messages they send me (eg if it's the husband who messages to invite me over for the evening). I always make arrangements with the wife or I make a group WhatsApp chat to make plans and only ever message the men in that (eg if I ask to borrow something or answer a question they'd asked).

I'm perpetually single and, other than never socialising with couples, I don't know what I could do differently.

I'm aware I could tell their wives when they do it but I dont want to lose my friendships with them and, as I don't encourage it in any way, i figure that the onus is on the man to behave decently.

But i withdraw completely if its persistent.

Before anyone picks me up on this being only two friendships I've mentioned, that's because these are two friendships that were affected last year. There have been many more previously that have fallen by the wayside.

I've just become friends with another couple and I really don't want it to happen again.

What can I do that I might not be doing already to prevent this from happening? Might there be signals I'm sending that I'm unaware of?

The wives have never had an issue with me being friends with their husbands - I'm trusted precisely because I'm not a flirty person and I don't ever behave inappropriately around them.

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Itsmebutnotthesame · 26/08/2020 10:53

@Heffalooomia he might be worried about exposure, that wouldn't come from me though. I just want to move on quietly now. I should have said something three years ago, but it was even more difficult with the family bereavement they had.

WinterAndRoughWeather · 26/08/2020 11:03

Some men are just absolutely incorrigible and shameless.

My husband and I went to a birthday dinner recently and met an older couple there. The man was flirting with me all night, though I gave him zero encouragement. He was clearly a lothario in his younger days.

My husband was completely oblivious. When I laughed about it in the car afterwards “these old playboys, eh?”, he said he hadn’t noticed a thing.

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Blackberrycream · 26/08/2020 11:20

Some of the responses on this discussion are truly depressing.
Single women should only be friends with other single women.
Single women should only socialise with the female in a couple at non couple events.
Men making a pass is usually caused by women who are doing something to encourage it.
The subtext being women are only acceptable as part of a couple.
I had a horrible introduction to some of these issues and attitudes when I was widowed 3 years ago ( I have name changed for this). I had horrible anxiety as I was so grateful for the support of friends but also had the weird behaviour of 3 husbands ( stares, hands inappropriately on knee, offers of help which would put me in their company alone which I avoided like the plague). I was anxious that friends would pick up on their husbands behaviour and that I would lose long-standing friendships through no fault of my own and at a time when it would have been devastating. Luckily, these friendships are intact but (privately) my opinion of their partners has changed.
For context, I am friends with couples as I was friends with them both before my husband died. One of my closest friends is my husbands childhood best friend. We see each other on our own, together with his wife and I also see his wife individually. All our children are close friends. Everyone is comfortable in this situation because he is a genuine, kind man with integrity and it is a genuine friendship. Not all men are opportunistic and not all women see single women as a threat.

WonderHike · 26/08/2020 11:20

Itsmebutnotthesame

If he contacts you again I would respond outlining that evening as you have here – you engineered the evening in a predatory fashion and lunged at me while I was intoxicated and vulnerable. Your advances were entirely unwelcome, I was not interested then and am not interested now. If he continues or denies it tell him you will have no choice but to tell his wife and your social circle if he continues to harass you. (He doesn’t have to know you don’t intend to do that). What a creep.

LookAtTheCahhOlivahhhhh · 26/08/2020 11:33

But somewhere down the line, when a proper friendship has been forged, this so often happens

Ugh, it's like they're waiting until you're friends so they think that they can trust you to not tell their wives.

Itsmebutnotthesame · 26/08/2020 11:35

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Itsmebutnotthesame · 26/08/2020 12:34

@Muchhappieronmyown just thought I'd briefly stoop to your level for you to experience an immature dig from a random on the internet.

And like a true bully, you're the one shouting loudest about being bullied. You can dish it out but not take it.

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Heffalooomia · 26/08/2020 12:52

a lothario in his younger days
Oh yes I recognise this type, he vainly thinks that at 60 he has the same pulling power that he had at 30🤦🏼‍♀️

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