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Friends' husbands making passes

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GettingItWrong · 19/08/2020 09:29

I have lost a number of friendships with men and couple friendships over the past few years.

The friendships turn sour because, at some point, the man makes a pass of some description at me.

Ive had everything from a drunken move to kiss me when their wife is out of the room, to propositions for an affair to declarations of love.

Only one of these friendships has survived because his wife was a bloody star. She asked him directly if he had feelings for me, he said yes, they split up and she asked to meet me and told me she knew it was nothing I had done and she wanted to make sure we didnt lose our friendship because of him. It was awkward for a few months but now our friendship is stronger than ever. They have now reconciled and our friendships are (nearly) back on track.

Aside from that, I was friends with a couple for several years. We went on holidays together, our children were friends, we spent christmases together and then, BAM, he made a drunken pass at me. I turned him down. I didn't tell his wife for various reasons (I know she wouldn't ever leave him and I didn't want to put a bomb in the middle of it; I didn't want my family to lose their family; I didn't want to lose the friendships). Anyway, I rejected him, put it down to drink and it didnt happen again until 2 years later when he told me he loved me. Again I rejected him, tried to make light of it, I guess, but was also clear that he needed to sort out his own relationship and not drag me into it. All fine for a few months until he changed his behaviour towards me - made spiteful remarks about me when we were out if a man spoke to me; comments that I was 'ugly'; and eventually something happened and I haven't spoken to either of them since.

I don't make friends easily and these were the closest friendships I had.

I've had similar issues with male friends: some single, some married but where I don't know the wives.

I've never had an affair or been an affair partner. I don't flirt with married men. I don't feel flattered by it. I don't message the husbands/partners and always respond appropriately to any messages they send me (eg if it's the husband who messages to invite me over for the evening). I always make arrangements with the wife or I make a group WhatsApp chat to make plans and only ever message the men in that (eg if I ask to borrow something or answer a question they'd asked).

I'm perpetually single and, other than never socialising with couples, I don't know what I could do differently.

I'm aware I could tell their wives when they do it but I dont want to lose my friendships with them and, as I don't encourage it in any way, i figure that the onus is on the man to behave decently.

But i withdraw completely if its persistent.

Before anyone picks me up on this being only two friendships I've mentioned, that's because these are two friendships that were affected last year. There have been many more previously that have fallen by the wayside.

I've just become friends with another couple and I really don't want it to happen again.

What can I do that I might not be doing already to prevent this from happening? Might there be signals I'm sending that I'm unaware of?

The wives have never had an issue with me being friends with their husbands - I'm trusted precisely because I'm not a flirty person and I don't ever behave inappropriately around them.

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amusedtodeath1 · 25/08/2020 22:12

It's happened to me, a friend's husband, he'd been a bit flirty once when we were in the pub as two couples. But when me and DH split he popped round for something and it all got very weird.

I was so disappointed in him, I thought he was a decent man who loved his wife.

Then I worked in a pub for a while and learned more than I ever wanted to know about how disgusting and disloyal men can be.

GettingItWrong · 25/08/2020 22:35

why even be friends with couples?

I don't know any single women. At my age, most women are in relationships. When I've had single friends in the past they have, inevitably, met someone. Am I supposed to cut off friendships with them then? I don't expect other women's husbands/partners to make passes... surely the onus is on men to not hit on other women rather than for single women to not have any friends who arent single or to avoid men entirely?

I was so disappointed in him, I thought he was a decent man who loved his wife.

That's how I always feel too.

Then I worked in a pub for a while and learned more than I ever wanted to know about how disgusting and disloyal men can be.

Sad
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Muchhappieronmyown · 25/08/2020 22:40

Try making Friends with single women and not couples with families. As for messaging husbands etc NOPE! These men are bored and you single hanging around is bound to cause trouble. Find some friends who are in the same position as you. Single.

Itsmebutnotthesame · 25/08/2020 22:42

I have name changed so this is not linked to my usual username, and I have posted about this previously. I have experienced similar in the past and tried to maintain my friendship with difficulty, so I've been interested to read how you and others have dealt with the situation.

I have two close female friends of at least 15 years. The DP of one of the friends accompanied me to a music concert a couple of years ago and I got completely leathered . I didn't feel at risk at all at the time but I shouldn't have put myself in that situation. At the end, we were walking to a prearranged spot to get a taxi, but we walked in the wrong direction. I feel the situation was engineered by him to get me out of the way of the crowds of other people. When we were alone and miles from anyone, he was suddenly on my face and I could barely stand up. We kissed, I still have guilt about this, but objectively I can see that I was too drunk to consent to anything . We got in a taxi and he pestered me all the way home for sex. I ran in my house and locked the door behind me.

The next morning he sent an awful message saying 'I'm glad we have realised we have feelings for each other but we can't do anything because of 'friend', although I'd still like to bum you'. I replied saying I could barely recall what had happened as I was so drunk and I was very upset by the situation, and I certainly didn't have feelings for him. After avoiding him for a few weeks, I went to have a conversation with him about it, to see if he could appreciate how upset I was and perhaps apologise. He just said, with a smirk, that it was a great night.

Since then, I have avoided him where possible while trying to maintain my friendship with my friend. At the time, a relative of his was dying and my friend was devastated so I felt the best thing to do was to keep what had happened to myself.

Unfortunately, I am not sure if I can keep my friendship with her going. I feel I will have to gradually pull myself away . It feels like it is always there in the background, he occasionally texts when he's been drinking to say he loves me in a jokey manner. Other people locally have described him as having 'designs on me'. He has commented on previous partners saying they are not my type.

I am currently in a relationship of one year so far. I have even been thinking that if I get married, I can't have him there and therefore I can't have my friend there. So I will have to gradually end the friendship.

I really thought he was someone that I could trust, who would pack me into a taxi with water after one too many. Not leap on me in a deserted alleyway . I'm not sure why he did it, possibly because he thought he could, maybe he felt I was 'up for it' as I used to discuss dating and tinder with my friend.

Itsmebutnotthesame · 25/08/2020 22:44

@Muchhappieronmyown as soon as one of our friends is married, are we supposed to ditch them as a friend? Confused

GettingItWrong · 25/08/2020 22:57

Muchhappieronmyown

Your post is laughable. How exactly do you suggest I only meet single women?

As I said, at my age, most women are in relationships. I'm sure I said previously that I used to have a group of single friends (male and female) and we all hung out, went on holidays together etc but, slowly, all of them met someone. What happens then?

I have children so meeting couples with families is quite normal.

You clearly have a very dim view of single women. It's not a disease you know. We don't 'hang around'. We're people 🤣

Itsmebutnotthesame

Good grief. That's awful but shockingly familiar. And I understand exactly how you felt then and feel now.

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Muchhappieronmyown · 25/08/2020 23:03

@GettingItWrong
Look at my name... I’m not the one that’s laughable... I’m a single woman Grin

I wouldn’t dream of latching on to a couple in a family. There are plenty of ways to make friends with single women. Or even hang about with the women NOT their husbands.

GettingItWrong · 25/08/2020 23:04

Besides, whenever I have met women who are single, conversations and nights out have largely centred around men - talking about men, flirting with men, trying to get men to notice them... I'm not interested in any of that.

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Notverybright · 25/08/2020 23:04

Itsmebutnotthesame that’s awful. Do you think, because your friendship with her is ruined anyway, that you could tell her. What an arsehole her husband is.

You didn’t get yourself in that position for getting drunk at a festival, he got you in that position.

GettingItWrong · 25/08/2020 23:10

Or even hang about with the women NOT their husbands.

Well, as I've said, when people want to hang out as couples - I don't have a lot of choice. When I invite a woman out to a film or a pub or a gig and they say "no thanks, not my thing but why don't you go with [husband's name]? I know he'd really like that" what am I supposed to say if he and i also get on well?

Being friends with couples or men isn't the problem. The problem is that so many men are dicks.

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Muchhappieronmyown · 25/08/2020 23:12

@Itsmebutnotthesame if you go out on your own with your “friends” husband it causes allsorts of trouble. Let his wife go outWith him and in your words get completely leathered. Should he of tried it on NO should your of gone out with somebody else’s husband and got arseholed NO. Stick to your own men and non of this would happen!!!

Muchhappieronmyown · 25/08/2020 23:13

And @GettingItWrong SAY NO. It’s not hard

GettingItWrong · 25/08/2020 23:20

Muchhappieronmyown

I don't know how old you are but, in my world and experience, it's actually a pretty normal thing to do.

I was talking to one of friends last night whose husband was put with a female friend. it's normal!

What's not normal (or at least it shouldn't be) is those men hitting on you!

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DrFoxtrot · 25/08/2020 23:21

@Muchhappieronmyown I can see why you're happier on your own.

Muchhappieronmyown · 25/08/2020 23:24

I’m 44... and wouldn’t dream of going out with any of my friends partners. When I go out i go out with MY friends. If it’s a couples thing I don’t go as I’m not in a couple. Simple!!!

If you don’t want men “hitting” on you STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND STOP PUTTING YOURSELF IN SITUATIONS and go out/find with your own man.

Muchhappieronmyown · 25/08/2020 23:27

@DrFoxtrot I am happier on my own... and ? should these women who go out with their friends husbands alone get drunk then moan when the men are getting the wrong signals? This threads ridiculous if you don’t want it to happen STOP PUTTING YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE IT CAN HAPPEN

Itsmebutnotthesame · 25/08/2020 23:29

@GettingItWrong thanks, it helps to read how others have been in similar situations.

@Notverybright I think it would feel like I was throwing a grenade into everything three years too late . Like the time to tell has passed. My friend has a new group of football friends and is having more days out etc with them, so I feel I can gradually slip away.

It's a mess! I went out for one night with someone I'd known and trusted for years, I had no reason to think it would end up like this.

DrFoxtrot · 25/08/2020 23:32

@Muchhappieronmyown it feels like you're getting close to victim blaming. Some of the posters on this thread have been in positions where they could not consent, woken from sleep!

GettingItWrong · 25/08/2020 23:38

should these women who go out with their friends husbands alone get drunk then moan when the men are getting the wrong signals?

I'm sure that if I can manage to not think every man I spend time with fancies me, they could try doing the same.

Besides, they're married. Even if they thought they were getting 'signals', they should be ignoring them.

Given that I don't flirt with them and don't dress provocatively, I don't have conversations that suggest I'm interested, I'm not sure wht signals they're getting.

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Muchhappieronmyown · 25/08/2020 23:42

@GettingItWrong YOUVE answered your own question their married! You shouldn’t be going out alone with them to start with. Am I saying it’s your fault no all these men shouldn’t of tried it on. But after it happened with one friend why the hell did you put yourself in the same position again. Just don’t go out with married men alone! And @DrFoxtrot I’m replying to the OP nobody else.

Heffalooomia · 25/08/2020 23:45

Itsme*
occasionally texts when he's been drinking to say he loves me in a jokey manner. Other people locally have described him as having 'designs on me'. He has commented on previous partners saying they are not my type
I don't want to be alarmist but I feel like this could be.... maybe a bit sinister, like he feels as if he has some authority over/claim on you?
I don't think it's anything that you did I think it's that he has a predatory mindset he was triggered by the situation you were vulnerable and it was a good opportunity, instead of seeing you as a friend who needed help and protection he saw you as 'low-hanging fruit' and he just had to try and indulge himself 😖
Completely despicable and then to add insult to injury by coming out with that ridiculous false account of what happened 😖
I suppose it comes down to poor impulse control/lack of moral compass?

DrFoxtrot · 25/08/2020 23:48

@Muchhappieronmyown I'm sure OP is thankful for your wise input on her thread.

GettingItWrong · 25/08/2020 23:51

Muchhappieronmyown

And what about the men I'm in a band with? Where is the line there? Leave the band? Do the band but turn down any socialising?

Not that any of them have done anything inappropriate but then none of them has until they do. So am I supposed to assume they will at some point too?

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VivaMiltonKeynes · 26/08/2020 00:01

@GettingItWrong

Muchhappieronmyown

I don't know how old you are but, in my world and experience, it's actually a pretty normal thing to do.

I was talking to one of friends last night whose husband was put with a female friend. it's normal!

What's not normal (or at least it shouldn't be) is those men hitting on you!

No this has never been my experience that it's a normal thing to do . If you wanted it to stop you would stop doing what you are doing ie putting yourself in the situation in the first place . Can't believe you are still going on about this .
mysuperpowerisme · 26/08/2020 00:10

I'm the same :/ have lost every guy friend I've ever had due to them not accepting just friendship.

Now I'm married and still get men single and married constantly trying it on even though I'm the least flirty person I know and make it clear how disinterested I am in anyone else