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Friends' husbands making passes

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GettingItWrong · 19/08/2020 09:29

I have lost a number of friendships with men and couple friendships over the past few years.

The friendships turn sour because, at some point, the man makes a pass of some description at me.

Ive had everything from a drunken move to kiss me when their wife is out of the room, to propositions for an affair to declarations of love.

Only one of these friendships has survived because his wife was a bloody star. She asked him directly if he had feelings for me, he said yes, they split up and she asked to meet me and told me she knew it was nothing I had done and she wanted to make sure we didnt lose our friendship because of him. It was awkward for a few months but now our friendship is stronger than ever. They have now reconciled and our friendships are (nearly) back on track.

Aside from that, I was friends with a couple for several years. We went on holidays together, our children were friends, we spent christmases together and then, BAM, he made a drunken pass at me. I turned him down. I didn't tell his wife for various reasons (I know she wouldn't ever leave him and I didn't want to put a bomb in the middle of it; I didn't want my family to lose their family; I didn't want to lose the friendships). Anyway, I rejected him, put it down to drink and it didnt happen again until 2 years later when he told me he loved me. Again I rejected him, tried to make light of it, I guess, but was also clear that he needed to sort out his own relationship and not drag me into it. All fine for a few months until he changed his behaviour towards me - made spiteful remarks about me when we were out if a man spoke to me; comments that I was 'ugly'; and eventually something happened and I haven't spoken to either of them since.

I don't make friends easily and these were the closest friendships I had.

I've had similar issues with male friends: some single, some married but where I don't know the wives.

I've never had an affair or been an affair partner. I don't flirt with married men. I don't feel flattered by it. I don't message the husbands/partners and always respond appropriately to any messages they send me (eg if it's the husband who messages to invite me over for the evening). I always make arrangements with the wife or I make a group WhatsApp chat to make plans and only ever message the men in that (eg if I ask to borrow something or answer a question they'd asked).

I'm perpetually single and, other than never socialising with couples, I don't know what I could do differently.

I'm aware I could tell their wives when they do it but I dont want to lose my friendships with them and, as I don't encourage it in any way, i figure that the onus is on the man to behave decently.

But i withdraw completely if its persistent.

Before anyone picks me up on this being only two friendships I've mentioned, that's because these are two friendships that were affected last year. There have been many more previously that have fallen by the wayside.

I've just become friends with another couple and I really don't want it to happen again.

What can I do that I might not be doing already to prevent this from happening? Might there be signals I'm sending that I'm unaware of?

The wives have never had an issue with me being friends with their husbands - I'm trusted precisely because I'm not a flirty person and I don't ever behave inappropriately around them.

OP posts:
GettingItWrong · 26/08/2020 00:12

Can't believe you are still going on about this .

Tbf, I only posted in response to other people.

I'd rather they just didn't do it. Its not essential to hit on a woman.

OP posts:
GettingItWrong · 26/08/2020 00:13

Now I'm married and still get men single and married constantly trying it on even though I'm the least flirty person I know and make it clear how disinterested I am in anyone else

I'm sure there are people.posting here who could advise you on how to prevent that from happening... Wink

Its shit though.

OP posts:
DrFoxtrot · 26/08/2020 00:42

Can't believe you are still going on about this

I think OP has a right to continue discussion on her own thread FFS.

newmum2999 · 26/08/2020 01:28

How do you become friends with a couple?

Why not just the wife? 🥴

GettingItWrong · 26/08/2020 01:57

newmum2999

The same way you make friends with anyone surely?

Sometimes you meet them both at the same time.
Sometimes you meet the wife first and she introduces you to her husband.
Sometimes you meet the husband first and they introduce you to their wife.

You get talking; you find you have things in common; uou get on well; one party invites the other over for dinner or for drinks or to the pub and you go. Sometimes a friendship develops.

I cant believe I've had to explain how friends are made Confused

OP posts:
famousforwrongreason · 26/08/2020 04:05

@GettingItWrong

famousforwrongreason

Thank you.

Fortunately, I work in a female dominated profession so there's less of it at work. However, in my last place of work there were two married men and both of them tried it on.

The first time it happened, I was a very unworldy, naive 19 year old and I had no idea that men did this. I felt embarrassed and probably a bit flattered at the time, although I didnt respond - until I learnt he was sitting in his car outside my flat watching me and sent me mix tapes in the post amongst other things which, frankly, scared me a bit. He was about 15 years older than me and I didn't really take it seriously initially. I couldn't imagine how a married 35 year old man could possibly be interested in a 19 year old Hmm how naive I was.

That was the start of it and it hasn't stopped since.

After the first few times it had happened, it bothered me so much that I put on weight and stopped making so much of an effort with my appearance in an effort to be less attractive to these men but it still didn't stop them.

I'm in my 40s now and it's still happening. I'm just sick of it tbh.

Lol. I cut off all my hair and dyed it a vile colour (90s), purposely made myself as unattractive as possible as my head was wrecked by so many men trying to use me as a sex object. I looked awful. It didn't make a blind bit of difference. Now I wonder if it just made me appear more vulnerable.
famousforwrongreason · 26/08/2020 04:12

@Muchhappieronmyown

I’m 44... and wouldn’t dream of going out with any of my friends partners. When I go out i go out with MY friends. If it’s a couples thing I don’t go as I’m not in a couple. Simple!!!

If you don’t want men “hitting” on you STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND STOP PUTTING YOURSELF IN SITUATIONS and go out/find with your own man.

What?! if you're invited to anything with couples you don't go?! Funny I'm getting invited to less and less couples things while I'm single. When I have a boyfriend the invitations crop back up again.
DancingCatGif · 26/08/2020 04:17

This is one of the reasons I have no interest in hanging out with couples. Way too many dodgy men. I hang out with my friends, he hangs out with his friends.

famousforwrongreason · 26/08/2020 04:18

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ulanbatorismynextstop · 26/08/2020 04:37

Famiusforwrongreason - that was a very salty response. I presume you have a man you don't trust??? Or maybe you've been cheated on in the past. Don't take it out on the op, you can see by the thread this happens to lots of women and the problem is the men behaving inappropriately rather than the women. Tsk

Boomerwang · 26/08/2020 05:04

On the one hand I do think it paints men in a bad light that they can be tempted away so easily. Bit worrying.

On the other hand I have read the entire thread and I don't see OP actually committing to any kind of change, she just wants to discuss this feature of her life.

It's happened to me once in my life. My serious boyfriend was in hospital after having a double lung transplant and since the place was so far from home his parents and I had booked a few nights at a pub nearby. His best friend wanted to visit him so stayed at the same place. After a visit to the hospital we all had a meal in the pub then went off to our rooms. The best friend asked if I wanted one more beer in his room. I had not detected nor looked for any signals from this man as I had not entertained the idea whatsoever that his BEST FRIEND would try it on while he was recovering from a major life changing - life SAVING - operation so I naively accepted as I had enjoyed talking about my boyfriend with him.

I sat at the desk thing they have in hotel rooms with the kettle etc while he sat on his bed and before I knew it he was patting the bed asking me to come and sit with him. The alarm bells went off and I said I was comfortable where I was. It must have been a shock to him that a girl refused because he lay down and put his hands to his head. I don't know what he was thinking but I said good night and left. He was full of remorse the next day and many months later when he was drunk he apologised - in front of my recovered boyfriend who was then obviously very hurt.

So I can understand that it happens out of the blue sometimes, that you're not giving off signals or flirting or anything and sometimes you miss the previous cues, but not that many times.

Cosmos45 · 26/08/2020 06:10

@ulanbatorismynextstop it’s pretty obvious that famousforthewrongreason is being sarcastic to a previous posters comments

devastedtoday · 26/08/2020 06:35

The fact this has happened to this women time and time again shows she has not changed the situation she gets herself into! If it bothered her that much she would of learnt after the first time it happened. Sorry but it screams attention seeker and the fact she’s openly admitted it on a thread saying it happen then again and again and again shows my point exactly. Sorry but I’ve got to agree that if you didn’t want all this to happen you’d of learnt after the first time. Clearly a drama seeker. Make no wonder you’ve no friends left. Ever heard of girl code???!?! Go out with your own fella and leave everybody else’s alone. The “whys it always happening to me” boloney doesn’t wash with me. You'd all feel differently I’d she was going allover with your man. And let’s not Forget we haven’t heard the men’s side! For all we know you could all be slating the man and this woman could be the liar. To say she’s unattractive gives of zero vibes it’s odd all these men suddenly find her so irresistible. Open your eyes people

WonderHike · 26/08/2020 07:31

I appreciate where you’re coming from OP and shared my own similar experience at the beginning of the thread but do agree with this:

On the other hand I have read the entire thread and I don't see OP actually committing to any kind of change, she just wants to discuss this feature of her life.

Generally speaking, the answer is avoid hanging out with married men alone. Of course it ‘should’ be fine and completely normal etc. and for you that is an unsatisfactory solution because you shouldn’t have to, etc. etc. But the fact is that many men will read into that something else and try and exploit the opportunity presented, as your experience attests. Of course it’s the responsibility of married men not to make passes a people. But clearly many do not accept that responsibility. That doesn’t make it your fault. But your question is how to stop it happening, and that is your answer.

Cosmos45 · 26/08/2020 07:33

@devastedtoday let me guess, you’re the type of woman who’s husband has an affair and you would blame the OW for ‘stealing’ your husband?

joystir59 · 26/08/2020 07:40

I've experienced all my adult life and have spoken to many female friends who've also experienced it. I think men are so emotionally immature (retarded in development) that they cannot cope with feelings of friendship towards a woman without it becoming sexual.

Devastedtoday · 26/08/2020 07:41

@Cosmos45
You guessed wrong. I’m the kind of woman who has morals and if I’m put in a situation that causes drama I DONT PUT MYSELF IN THAT SITUATION AGAIN

joystir59 · 26/08/2020 07:45

Nowadays my only close male friend is my gay ex husband. He doesn't try it on sexually but would secretly like me to do wife-work

WonderHike · 26/08/2020 08:26

Agree it’s really insulting and upsetting and disappointing when someone messes up a friendship by pulling this stupid crap – it happened to me with one of my married best friends (he was a very good friend from uni and beyond and I know his wife through him rather than vice versa) and I’m still annoyed when I think of it now. I also have tended to have male friends as well as female, so I do agree too that it’s perfectly possible and normal for men and women to be friends. Some people just gravitate towards friendship with the opposite sex for whatever reason – the dynamic feels comfortable or whatever.

However, since this keeps happening and it means you’re investing in friendships that you then lose, which is shit, why not explore other options? You’re open to friendships with men and couples and don’t feel the need to restrict yourself to ‘traditional’ modes of friendship. You’re prepared to hold out hope for this type of friendship and keep pursuing such friendships despite your disappointing experiences. Yet you seem to be a bit dismissive of the possibility of satisfying female friendships that don’t involve the partner. Why not apply this open-minded attitude to couples and men and explore the possibility of different types of friendship with women?

I’m not saying that people should only have single sex friendship groups, more that it could be an option to explore and a way to diversify your social circle so you’re not left running into this problem again and again and having to abandon friendships left, right, and centre.

You mention that you don’t want to talk about men, flirting with men, children, looking good for ones age, or topics like that, which is fair enough. However there are lots of other women who feel the same. I meet many women who enjoy discussing social issues, politics, music, going to gigs, etc. and would roll their eyes at the topics you mention. I mean I meet a LOT of women like that. You mentioned earlier that you really pushed yourself to go out of your comfort zone to make connections and expand your circle. Maybe meeting like-minded women is something else you could open yourself up to?

Muchhappieronmyown · 26/08/2020 09:28

Of course you’ve to take some blame your making out like every man you’ve ever been near has tried it on. That’s not real life. IF your that irresistible stay away from men and stop the drama! I agree with other comments you seem to be buzzing off it. Sick of women blaming all men for being dirt bags etc etc NOT ALL MEN ARE LIKE THAT. Yet every single one that you’ve encountered seems to be... the problems YOU

Itsmebutnotthesame · 26/08/2020 10:19

@Heffalooomia I agree with everything you've said Sad. I hadn't thought about how some of the texts sound, and agree it seems like he feels he has 'ownership'. He also sent a photo of the night in question with us stood next to each other, saying how good we looked together. I don't think he believes how upsetting it was/is for me, and from his point of view, it proves we must have feelings for each other. And that my upset is just my guilt about what happened.

The only contact now is through my friend, I am now going to whittle that down to zero gradually, so it feels like a natural end to the friendship for her.

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Heffalooomia · 26/08/2020 10:41

Itsme
I just reread your post and it's worse than I thought, he didn't just take advantage of a situation where you were vulnerable he deliberately engineered the situation to make you even more vulnerable
He's not 'just' an opportunist he is an out and out Predator
he doesn't see it from your point of view because you are just territory to be conquered:(
Some of the false narrative tactics could be to do with creating a false trail in case you decide to expose him?

Heffalooomia · 26/08/2020 10:43

Would secretly like me to do wife work
Aka still trying to position you as the subordinate 🤦🏼‍♀️

Itsmebutnotthesame · 26/08/2020 10:51

@Muchhappieronmyown I have known my friend and her partner for 15 years and I actually knew him first. I had no reason not to trust him and we like the same band.

You sound bored, making digs at other posters anonymously on the internet. Have you nothing better to do than be nasty to other people?