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Husband secretly recorded me - advice needed

245 replies

Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 22:31

Hi all. Long term poster, name changed.

Today I returned home following visiting my family for the first time in many months. DH lent me his iPod to listen to music on the way (flight) and I did it on the way back. I've randomly discovered that he recorded several arguments between us, all of which are saved on his iPod. I am in a state of shock. The recordings were made without my knowledge or consent.

In one of the recordings, DH was goading me to get me to say things I have never done, such as that I was violent towards him. I've never been violent towards him. I thought at the time this was odd but I was so upset and desperate in our argument that I didn't notice I was being recorded. I've never admitted anything cause there is no truth in it.

I come from a verbally and at timed physically abusive family (my father), full of what now would fall under coercive control. I'm 34 now and all my life I've lived with a chip on my shoulder as a result and admittedly I get over the top and desperate in arguments like my mum. I had no good example at home. However, I have picked up on it and have had counselling. I am no longer in touch with my abusive father which has been a major relief. I have worked extremely hard on myself and will have to do so probably for the rest of my life.

DH is, what I thought, a kind, non-confrontational person. He knows my past and never in a million years have I thought he'd use it against me. I hoped he would support me in overcoming my demons and that we'd have a good, loving marriage that I always dreamt of.

In the same time, DH is a liar. He lied to me immediately before and after our wedding 5 years ago about certain important things in relation to his family (re MIL who turned out to be a vile person but he was covering her actions). He lied to me about the fact he was in significant debt of several thousand pounds of which I had no knowledge. I knew he had 2-3k debt when we first got together which he wasn't paying off and it was accrued stupidly, on random unnecessary things. At the time we were both on not great money as we were studying to get further qualifications so that amount of debt wasn't worrying but he wasn't paying it off as he's not good with money. Therefore, I sat down with him and worked out how to pay it off. He promised me he would do it and I married him thinking there was no longer any debt and we'd be able to start saving up for a deposit for our house, a fresh start. 3 weeks after the wedding I randomly discovered his debt was 9k. That was a huge set back for us at the time and I was devastated. Admittedly, I slapped him then - once and only once in my life. It wasn't the right thing to do, but I was at the rock bottom once I realised another major breach of trust on his part. I felt terrible and apologised to him and never ever done it since.

I then forgave him and worked out how to pay it off. We paid it off. Saved up for a house, advanced our qualifications. We now have a beautiful home, good jobs, pets, trying for a baby, I sadly had several miscarriages which affected my MH greatly. But I got through this.

As far as I was concerned, our relationship was better than ever and he never breached my trust again. Until today.

I feel that he was trying to gather evidence against me which for some reason he has held on to for over 2 years. The arguments he recorded took place in 2018. He has since sold the phone on which the recordings were made, having reset it before, he says. However, as I said, the recordings are saved on his cloud and his iPod and for whatever reason, they are still there.

I confronted him tonight and he was shocked. He first said he never recorded me. Then finally admitted he did but "only twice", he "never shown it to anyone". He said he recorded me because he wanted to "relisten to it" but he never did. He also doesn't know how they were copied into his iPod, supposedly this wasn't done on purpose.

To present the full story, the arguments we have had were usually about DH being lazy around the house and not noticing things need to be done or not finishing them. He tends to be too laid back whereas I am a hard worker and I felt a huge share of responsibilities were falling on me whereas he wasn't doing much which I found difficult and upsetting as I hoped for an equal partnership. So probably not unusual arguments, however they were heated at times as I was repeating myself and asking him to change his attitude over and over again and sometimes I just had enough. To be fair about this, he has improved in that regard particularly in the last 1.5 years and we've barely ever argued. It was never heated either, since I've been very mindful following my counselling not to repeat my parents' mistakes.

I am devastated. This is like a blow straight into my heart. I thought this man would help me work through my worries and yet he completely turned against me, goaded me to say things that never happened. This isn't what a loving partner does. I feel this was done in bad faith to use it against me at some point, but he denies this.

I am shocked and broken. Is this the end? What do I do now? Do I get divorced at 34, in the pandemic, risk never having children which was my lifetime dream?

Have I been living a lie for 7 years?

OP posts:
NellyJames · 12/08/2020 13:02

Plus you are making excuses for a domestic abuser ie the OP

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 13:04

Nelly you clearly have no understanding of what it means to come from an abusive home and you're taking pleasure in kicking me when I'm at the bottom. Says a lot about you as a person too.

OP posts:
NotaCoolMum · 12/08/2020 13:05

She admitted she was wrong and neither of them had been perfect. But he has been repeatedly recording her while she thought everything was ok! YOU are justifying and minimising his actions because she slapped him years ago?!

LexMitior · 12/08/2020 13:07

Slapping is an assault. However, it does not change or justify manipulative or coercive behaviour.

Abusive people want to run your mind and dominate you in a long term relationship. Everyone is capable of violence. Not everyone is capable of mind games and manipulative conduct such as recording and concealing personal conversations.

NotaCoolMum · 12/08/2020 13:09

Absolutely- people get pushed to their limit sometimes.

WiltedWillows · 12/08/2020 13:10

So you are violent towards him OP? Sorry but I think he has done what many of us are told in abusive relationships and recorded and documented the evidence.

NellyJames · 12/08/2020 13:10

Actually @Thisisme34, I know exactly what it’s like to come from an abusive home. Which is why I’ve called you out on it.

Dragongirl10 · 12/08/2020 13:10

so sorry he has treated you so very badly, he is completely untrustworthy and always will be ...however lovely he may be in other ways.

Leaving will be hard but then you have the opportunity to heal and hopefully find someone wonderful and still have a family.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 13:12

Didn't teach you empathy or support skills then, Nelly James, sorry to say. As much as I have things to work on, so do you - the difference is I do not pretend to be hollier than thou.

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NellyJames · 12/08/2020 13:13

No, no empathy or support for abusers; no.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 13:16

No empathy for people who made one mistake following 21 years of abuse and sought therapy and came out the other end either.

Go ahead with your bitchiness, I see your abusive pattern continues.

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NotaCoolMum · 12/08/2020 13:16

@NellyJames- you are absolutely vile. Leave the thread then.

WiltedWillows · 12/08/2020 13:20

@LemonTT

The OP has been violent in the past.

I would advise anyone who has been hit by their partner to gather evidence of it. But make sure they hid it well from abusers who will monitor their digital devices and finances.

Exactly, this is what I was told by WA, sorry OP I am not meaning to sound awful, just trying to understand from both points of view. Only you and your husband know the truth, but my ex used to say I goaded him when he pulled a knife out on me, oh and he only hit me the once, so does that make me an abuser?
NotaCoolMum · 12/08/2020 13:24

SHE SLAPPED HIME ONCE WHEN SHE FOUND OUT HED BEEN LYING TO HER ABOUT HUGE HIDDEN DEBTS WHICH FOLLOWED FINDING OUT HED LIED ABOUT OTHER THINGS AS WELL!! HE MANIPULATED AND LIED TO HER FROM THE BEGINNING!!

FlySheMust · 12/08/2020 13:27

@NellyJames

No, no empathy or support for abusers; no.
Off you go. Such a goady fecker.
dramalessllama · 12/08/2020 13:33

@Thisisme34 - the slap was a one off, many years ago, and you owned it and apologized. It's not a pattern of abuse. Forgive yourself and ignore the people trying to put blame on you. It's hurting your mental health and setting you back from focusing on the current real issue of not being about to trust your DH.

That he's recorded you again this year does change things. Is there someplace you can stay temporarily to clear your mind? There's no need to make any big decisions right now. You and your mental health are your priorities now, and you need to be able to think clearly.

I still think this marriage could be saved, but damn, it will take some serious work from DH! And it will take a very long time for you to heal and be able to trust him again - IF you can. Only you know if you're capable of giving him another chance.

This really is his to fix. Your only job is to take care of you...and watch his actions.

ThrowawayBerna · 12/08/2020 13:36

[quote NellyJames]@NotaCoolMum, no I won’t, thank you. I’d like to see you tell a woman on here who says her husband slapped her that that’s irrelevant. The op assaulted her husband. That cannot be ignored when looking at his behaviour.[/quote]
..And her DH manhandled her and damaged property in a violent outburst, which you gloss over.

I'm tired of equivalence being drawn between female on male assault and the reverse. The utter farce of the Flack/Met. and Depp/Heard stories is the end result.
Most men are stronger than most women.
The average 52 year-old man has the lung capacity of the average 26 year-old woman.
Two women a week are killed by their partners. Stats for the reverse do not compare.

One assault is not a pattern of abuse. Not right at all, but not a pattern or part of a pattern.

Bunnymumy · 12/08/2020 13:44

Abusers are bile and pour that bile into everything they touch. They can drive you to moments of madness and to the brink of your sanity. It doesnt make you the abuser. But when you start to lose yourself and act in ways you sont recognize, it's probably a que to leave. All we can do is live and learn though.

NotaCoolMum · 12/08/2020 13:47

Totally agree with both posters above xx OP hope you’re ok 💐

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trebletheclef · 12/08/2020 13:53

I think it's clear he hasn't forgiven you for the slap. Hence him trying to get you to admit to it on record. Meanwhile, he has lied to you about his debts in the past.

I am sorry for you OP, and while I'd never hit anyone myself, I haven't stood in your shoes so can't say I wouldn't have, had I been standing in them. But I do think you shouldn't bring children into this relationship. Children can make things a lot, lot worse, with two tired and stressed parents who haven't quite forgiven each other for things in the past. It would not be fair on the children to put them into this.

lilylion · 12/08/2020 13:53

Debt isn’t a justification for assaulting someone. You have been violent. Why are you claiming otherwise?

If my partner slapped me I might record our arguments too.

WiltedWillows · 12/08/2020 13:57

[quote NotaCoolMum]@NellyJames- shut up.[/quote]
How rude!

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 13:58

Oh here comes the MN private investigators brigade now, making out I'm lying about my profession (on what basis, no idea?) and allegedly recognising my writing style (again no idea, I've only ever posted on the miscarriage section in the past). Ladies. Think what you want, you will anyway. I've told the truth and if your only concern is to x-ray me, then go ahead, but I don't have the energy to engage with sofa detectives right now.

Thank you to the posters who have found time to understand the position fully. I have nowhere else to go, I think we will now live on separate floors.

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NotaCoolMum · 12/08/2020 14:01

🙄🙄🙄it was obviously more than the debt wasn’t it