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Husband secretly recorded me - advice needed

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Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 22:31

Hi all. Long term poster, name changed.

Today I returned home following visiting my family for the first time in many months. DH lent me his iPod to listen to music on the way (flight) and I did it on the way back. I've randomly discovered that he recorded several arguments between us, all of which are saved on his iPod. I am in a state of shock. The recordings were made without my knowledge or consent.

In one of the recordings, DH was goading me to get me to say things I have never done, such as that I was violent towards him. I've never been violent towards him. I thought at the time this was odd but I was so upset and desperate in our argument that I didn't notice I was being recorded. I've never admitted anything cause there is no truth in it.

I come from a verbally and at timed physically abusive family (my father), full of what now would fall under coercive control. I'm 34 now and all my life I've lived with a chip on my shoulder as a result and admittedly I get over the top and desperate in arguments like my mum. I had no good example at home. However, I have picked up on it and have had counselling. I am no longer in touch with my abusive father which has been a major relief. I have worked extremely hard on myself and will have to do so probably for the rest of my life.

DH is, what I thought, a kind, non-confrontational person. He knows my past and never in a million years have I thought he'd use it against me. I hoped he would support me in overcoming my demons and that we'd have a good, loving marriage that I always dreamt of.

In the same time, DH is a liar. He lied to me immediately before and after our wedding 5 years ago about certain important things in relation to his family (re MIL who turned out to be a vile person but he was covering her actions). He lied to me about the fact he was in significant debt of several thousand pounds of which I had no knowledge. I knew he had 2-3k debt when we first got together which he wasn't paying off and it was accrued stupidly, on random unnecessary things. At the time we were both on not great money as we were studying to get further qualifications so that amount of debt wasn't worrying but he wasn't paying it off as he's not good with money. Therefore, I sat down with him and worked out how to pay it off. He promised me he would do it and I married him thinking there was no longer any debt and we'd be able to start saving up for a deposit for our house, a fresh start. 3 weeks after the wedding I randomly discovered his debt was 9k. That was a huge set back for us at the time and I was devastated. Admittedly, I slapped him then - once and only once in my life. It wasn't the right thing to do, but I was at the rock bottom once I realised another major breach of trust on his part. I felt terrible and apologised to him and never ever done it since.

I then forgave him and worked out how to pay it off. We paid it off. Saved up for a house, advanced our qualifications. We now have a beautiful home, good jobs, pets, trying for a baby, I sadly had several miscarriages which affected my MH greatly. But I got through this.

As far as I was concerned, our relationship was better than ever and he never breached my trust again. Until today.

I feel that he was trying to gather evidence against me which for some reason he has held on to for over 2 years. The arguments he recorded took place in 2018. He has since sold the phone on which the recordings were made, having reset it before, he says. However, as I said, the recordings are saved on his cloud and his iPod and for whatever reason, they are still there.

I confronted him tonight and he was shocked. He first said he never recorded me. Then finally admitted he did but "only twice", he "never shown it to anyone". He said he recorded me because he wanted to "relisten to it" but he never did. He also doesn't know how they were copied into his iPod, supposedly this wasn't done on purpose.

To present the full story, the arguments we have had were usually about DH being lazy around the house and not noticing things need to be done or not finishing them. He tends to be too laid back whereas I am a hard worker and I felt a huge share of responsibilities were falling on me whereas he wasn't doing much which I found difficult and upsetting as I hoped for an equal partnership. So probably not unusual arguments, however they were heated at times as I was repeating myself and asking him to change his attitude over and over again and sometimes I just had enough. To be fair about this, he has improved in that regard particularly in the last 1.5 years and we've barely ever argued. It was never heated either, since I've been very mindful following my counselling not to repeat my parents' mistakes.

I am devastated. This is like a blow straight into my heart. I thought this man would help me work through my worries and yet he completely turned against me, goaded me to say things that never happened. This isn't what a loving partner does. I feel this was done in bad faith to use it against me at some point, but he denies this.

I am shocked and broken. Is this the end? What do I do now? Do I get divorced at 34, in the pandemic, risk never having children which was my lifetime dream?

Have I been living a lie for 7 years?

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SentientAndCognisant · 11/08/2020 23:30

They are married,no children
And yes he’s saving evidence of your alleged poor character as insurance. If things go tits up

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 11/08/2020 23:32

I've never been violent towards him
I slapped him then

Hmm

Neither of you are coming out of this well.

Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 23:33

I wear my heart on my sleeve and feel like a mug right now, to be completely honest. I am not a fool and I really don't understand how I've allowed myself to be in this situation.

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SentientAndCognisant · 11/08/2020 23:34

I’m afraid A minority of people in caring professions can exhibit manipulative and controlling behaviour that one wouldn’t think compatible with their job
They can compartmentalise

As an aside police officers have the highest DV incidence rate amongst professions

rvby · 11/08/2020 23:34

??? Your relationship is violent. He has assaulted you, you have assaulted him.

Genuinely, why are you trying to have a baby together??

You both need to get shut of each other, get some counseling and make better choices in your future relationships.

No one should be having a child with someone who has slapped them, shook them, or destroyed their property, nor with someone who lies to them, secretly records them, etc... sorry op but it isn't brain surgery is it??

Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 23:35

Sentient - he is in a related profession, not a police officer, but similar, and working closely with the police.

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Stinkbug · 11/08/2020 23:37

Sounds like a shit show.

You’re slapping him, he’s shaking you, he’s lying and you’re snooping.

Get out and get therapy.

LexMitior · 11/08/2020 23:38

Okay. Think of this. It’s not so much gathering evidence as he is generating it by pushing you about.

Children end being the audience to this horror. Leave.

SentientAndCognisant · 11/08/2020 23:39

Not surprised really
The selection & screening is supposed to highlight inappropriate candidates But essentially caring & frontline staff are drawn from society and once in a job it’s easy to have a veneer to fit in.Appear upstanding

Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 23:41

Lex, you are right. There is nothing else I can say but to agree. I am beyond devastated right now about it all.

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SentientAndCognisant · 11/08/2020 23:43

Get yourself a plan. Start to gather your documents
Get copies of birth certificate, passport,and financial statements
Clear your browser history
Can you afford to rent elsewhere?

Happygogoat · 11/08/2020 23:44

You say these recordings were from over 2 years ago. Is there anything since?

You also say you haven't argued in 1.5 years and now you're strong.

Is it not possible that 2 years ago yes he was gathering evidence amidst a bad patch, but has moved on?

That said, goading you in to admitting false truths is worryingly manipulative and is coercive control.

You've been very open about your background and demons here OP so I imagine how he has responded to conflict in your marriage is complex, too. If you want to salvage the relationship then perhaps address all this in joint counselling. If this is the push you needed to leave; then do. Good luck. X

time4anothername · 11/08/2020 23:45

Respect to you OP for recognising your difficulties and learning to change. Annoying that some posters are being sanctimonious about your previous behaviour without acknowledging the change.

This was more than recording you say, he was goading you? If someone is scared or thinks there will be parental alienation they might be advised to record, or if they were working through it in couples therapy they might agree together to record arguments to have the help of a 3rd party. Doesn't sound like he had any good reason to have done it?

backseatcookers · 11/08/2020 23:45

@Stinkbug

Sounds like a shit show.

You’re slapping him, he’s shaking you, he’s lying and you’re snooping.

Get out and get therapy.

This.

It depends on the true circumstances.

I have recorded my ex during arguments on two occasions, because he had been violent previously and gaslighted me into thinking he hadn't. I was scared I would be seriously hurt and also wanted to know for myself what really happened in case he lied again.

BUT I didn't do this to an innocent party and I did not goad him at all or attempt to manipulate to make him appear a certain way.

So if you hadn't ever been violent to him and / or if he was trying to trick you / goad you then I feel it's a totally different situation to mine.

You can't say you've never been violent to someone if you've slapped them. Just as he can't say that if he's shoved you around.

This relationship is toxic and unhealthy regardless of the recording.

Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 23:45

Thank you, Sentient. I could afford to rent elsewhere. As it happens, our house went up for sale recently for entirely unrelated reasons. We were hoping to buy in our favourite location as we're now financially in a position to do so. However, I think it would be possible to sell up and split the profit and we'd go separate ways, each one of us buying a different property.

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 11/08/2020 23:47

Any recordings made without your knowledge or consent aren't admissable legally, as I understand it. He can only record them for his "own purposes" whatever they may be, and he actually commits an offence of breaching confidentiality if he allows a 3rd party to listen to them.

This came up with me when I had a difference of opinion with out area dean and at the end of the phone call she said "And by the way - this call is being recorded". I wish I'd said "Good!" but I was so taken aback I was speechless! As it happened, she was the one who ended up screeching and threatening, while I calmly just repeated what I knew to be correct (which is why I wish I had said "Good")

I contacted the diocese and they were fulsome their apologies, but admitted she shouldn't have done it - and also that a) I was right (I knew I was Grin and b) she couldn't allow anyone else to listen to it

SentientAndCognisant · 11/08/2020 23:48

Ok so take care, it’s clearly been really turbulent
You’ll be ok,just don’t get stuck on the what ifs,you're unhappy.sell up.move on

SentientAndCognisant · 11/08/2020 23:50

@Thisisme34Out of interest is he an AMHP.? Is he in mental health?
You don’t need to answer I’m just wondering...

Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 23:51

Yes, he was goading me and he admitted to that tonight.

I still do not know the reason why he even did that in the first place. No children involved, the relationship has genuinely been going well particularly in the last 1.5 years despite various challenges that life has thrown at us. The last 5 months in lockdown have been brilliant, we're together 24/7 and absolutely no issues. That's why I just don't understand now whether it was all a lie from him.

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Heffalooomia · 11/08/2020 23:52

So he didn't record you and if he did record he only did it twice, it's a bit like the narcissist defence isn't it I didn't do it and if I did it didn't matter anyway

Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 23:52

Sentient, he works with prisoners with MH issues.

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LexMitior · 11/08/2020 23:53

You are not his plaything to mess about with. You can do nothing now.

But you need to make urgent plans do leave. Tomorrow.

wenders4 · 11/08/2020 23:54

I read your post and had to check I hadn't written this. In my case I ended up having a baby with ex husband as I thought things would get better and 3 months later left me for OW. I was oblivious. Im not saying this is the same but I'm trying to say I ignored his red flags (and I too cleared his debt etc whilst he repeatedly broke my trust).
I would leave now. Sell up and go your separate ways. Because staying, having a baby, getting into a bigger financial responsibility won't help. Also fighting for my child in terms of residencey etc against ex husband when he tried to twist and manipulate everything against me for two years pushed me to the brink.

SentientAndCognisant · 11/08/2020 23:54

Ok.
Hence He’s trying to get some collateral about you, suggest your inappropriate/unsettled

Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 23:57

Yes, that is how I feel. It's like he couldn't find any dirt apart from one single incident triggered by his lie (which I accept was wrong on my part) so he decided to tease me to create something.

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