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Husband secretly recorded me - advice needed

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Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 22:31

Hi all. Long term poster, name changed.

Today I returned home following visiting my family for the first time in many months. DH lent me his iPod to listen to music on the way (flight) and I did it on the way back. I've randomly discovered that he recorded several arguments between us, all of which are saved on his iPod. I am in a state of shock. The recordings were made without my knowledge or consent.

In one of the recordings, DH was goading me to get me to say things I have never done, such as that I was violent towards him. I've never been violent towards him. I thought at the time this was odd but I was so upset and desperate in our argument that I didn't notice I was being recorded. I've never admitted anything cause there is no truth in it.

I come from a verbally and at timed physically abusive family (my father), full of what now would fall under coercive control. I'm 34 now and all my life I've lived with a chip on my shoulder as a result and admittedly I get over the top and desperate in arguments like my mum. I had no good example at home. However, I have picked up on it and have had counselling. I am no longer in touch with my abusive father which has been a major relief. I have worked extremely hard on myself and will have to do so probably for the rest of my life.

DH is, what I thought, a kind, non-confrontational person. He knows my past and never in a million years have I thought he'd use it against me. I hoped he would support me in overcoming my demons and that we'd have a good, loving marriage that I always dreamt of.

In the same time, DH is a liar. He lied to me immediately before and after our wedding 5 years ago about certain important things in relation to his family (re MIL who turned out to be a vile person but he was covering her actions). He lied to me about the fact he was in significant debt of several thousand pounds of which I had no knowledge. I knew he had 2-3k debt when we first got together which he wasn't paying off and it was accrued stupidly, on random unnecessary things. At the time we were both on not great money as we were studying to get further qualifications so that amount of debt wasn't worrying but he wasn't paying it off as he's not good with money. Therefore, I sat down with him and worked out how to pay it off. He promised me he would do it and I married him thinking there was no longer any debt and we'd be able to start saving up for a deposit for our house, a fresh start. 3 weeks after the wedding I randomly discovered his debt was 9k. That was a huge set back for us at the time and I was devastated. Admittedly, I slapped him then - once and only once in my life. It wasn't the right thing to do, but I was at the rock bottom once I realised another major breach of trust on his part. I felt terrible and apologised to him and never ever done it since.

I then forgave him and worked out how to pay it off. We paid it off. Saved up for a house, advanced our qualifications. We now have a beautiful home, good jobs, pets, trying for a baby, I sadly had several miscarriages which affected my MH greatly. But I got through this.

As far as I was concerned, our relationship was better than ever and he never breached my trust again. Until today.

I feel that he was trying to gather evidence against me which for some reason he has held on to for over 2 years. The arguments he recorded took place in 2018. He has since sold the phone on which the recordings were made, having reset it before, he says. However, as I said, the recordings are saved on his cloud and his iPod and for whatever reason, they are still there.

I confronted him tonight and he was shocked. He first said he never recorded me. Then finally admitted he did but "only twice", he "never shown it to anyone". He said he recorded me because he wanted to "relisten to it" but he never did. He also doesn't know how they were copied into his iPod, supposedly this wasn't done on purpose.

To present the full story, the arguments we have had were usually about DH being lazy around the house and not noticing things need to be done or not finishing them. He tends to be too laid back whereas I am a hard worker and I felt a huge share of responsibilities were falling on me whereas he wasn't doing much which I found difficult and upsetting as I hoped for an equal partnership. So probably not unusual arguments, however they were heated at times as I was repeating myself and asking him to change his attitude over and over again and sometimes I just had enough. To be fair about this, he has improved in that regard particularly in the last 1.5 years and we've barely ever argued. It was never heated either, since I've been very mindful following my counselling not to repeat my parents' mistakes.

I am devastated. This is like a blow straight into my heart. I thought this man would help me work through my worries and yet he completely turned against me, goaded me to say things that never happened. This isn't what a loving partner does. I feel this was done in bad faith to use it against me at some point, but he denies this.

I am shocked and broken. Is this the end? What do I do now? Do I get divorced at 34, in the pandemic, risk never having children which was my lifetime dream?

Have I been living a lie for 7 years?

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chinchin77 · 12/08/2020 12:08

No children, this won't be going to court - and they will not entertain this rubbish. But do leave him.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:13

I've spoken to my best friend this morning, she was mortified when she heard about it all and said she never expected that. I got few days off, she'll be ringing me on her lunch break shortly and give sensible advice, she's always been my rock but sadly we don't live in the same country. I have friends here too but my closest and dearest people are back home. That's why my thinking is I should go back there. But that means leaving everything I've built up here and starting from scratch professionally. DH was my anchor in here and without him living here just doesn't make sense.

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GilbertMarkham · 12/08/2020 12:21

and now my whole life will be a failure after I did my bloody best and I'll never be a mum. I'd likely have to move countries again and start afresh at 34

I write this before you wrote the above because I know from experience that that's what you were likely to think and say.

You have time.

C
Take a breath.

Why would you have to move country, do you not have citizenship/naturalisation here yet or something.

(And don't stay because women are being told their fertility drops off a cliff at 35 and they think the guy is their only chance of having children.

90% of women under 40 fall pregnant within two years of trying. NHS website fact).

Heffalooomia · 12/08/2020 12:23

I feel very surprised that OP is a lawyer and yet needs help to understand the situation?

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:27

I'm an EU citizen with settled status, I've been here since university.

I know this is going to sound ridiculous but because of the miscarriages my pets really are like my kids and can't fathom leaving them, but the reality is my friends here are all over the place as I moved around, they have their own families now too so the network of support here isn't very strong. Lots of our friends now are his friends so of course he'd fall back on them. I think moving back to be close to my mum and my dearest friends for nearly 20 years who all live in the same city would be a necessity, but it's an extremely difficult decision for me.

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Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:28

Well not all lawyers are divorce lawyers...law is rather broad. Besides it's easy to see things when you're an outsider, not so much when you're an interested party.

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GilbertMarkham · 12/08/2020 12:29

Sorry I should have said "I wrote the below"

GilbertMarkham · 12/08/2020 12:31

my pets really are like my kids and can't fathom leaving them

Why couldn't you take them?

Get them out with some pretext before you split (in case you're worried he'd try to keep them out of spite).

GilbertMarkham · 12/08/2020 12:32

34 is young enough to meet someone else have have severe children by the way.

It could be a lot worse age wise.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:34

Gilbert we have a dog with anxiety issues (a rescue) and DH walks him, he's a bit big for me to handle. Besides, I'd be moving to a big, busy city (unlike where we live now) and it would be unfair on him. I'd have to leave him and I'm desperately sad about it. I could take the cat I suppose, probably the only positive right now.

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GilbertMarkham · 12/08/2020 12:35

Several not severe!

(Though they could well be severe too).

GilbertMarkham · 12/08/2020 12:37

Well if you think it would be in the dog's best interest, what can you do ... That's very unselfish and sensible.

I wouldn't let your dp/dh in on any plans until you've got it thought out.

I don't like the sound of his behaviour, especially the recording.

Bunnymumy · 12/08/2020 12:41

You can surely leave your partner without having to quit your job and leave the country?

If you're half an hour from your workplace in alone direction, just move half an hour from it in the other (an hour away from him).

Take a bit of time off to visit home if you can but don't drop your whole life because you are breaking up with some asshole.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:41

I know. He said today that he understands it was wrong and he shouldn't have done that and should have told me. He said the last two years especially were the happiest years of his life and our life was so good and he's devastated about it all. Well, so am I, I was living a lie and now my whole life is upside down and may never be ok. I just don't know what to think anymore. On one hand he's truly sorry, on the other I just can't see how this marriage could continue.

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Bunnymumy · 12/08/2020 12:42

*in one direction

NellyJames · 12/08/2020 12:42

@Thisisme34, no I didn’t say you said it. It was said by another poster.
You said you owned your mistake at the time. He forgave you for assaulting him. Why not allow him to accept his mistake? You don’t have to of course but you have both made mistakes in this relationship. Him recording you was absolutely wrong but it’s certainly not far worse than you hitting him. It may be unacceptable to you and that’s fine; you’re entitled to leave because if that. Just don’t pretend that you share none of the responsibility. As I said, if a woman came in here and said she’d taped her husband and explained he’d previously hit her, she’d be applauded for protecting herself.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:45

It is hard to explain but if you're not from here, your natural instinct is to go back home where you have lots of people who would be there for you. It's an added difficulty for me, I'm probably not expressing this very well but I guess when you lose what you've had, you want to be where you have the strongest sense of belonging, if that makes sense.

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GabsAlot · 12/08/2020 12:47

nelly she found another recording made this year and it was op and her friend i dont think thats revelvant to the slapping

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:49

Nelly, but I don't pretend anything?! If I did I would have come on here and portray myself as a saint like most women on MN do. So no, I respectfully disagree. I think it's a bit harsh to say that a one off incident from 5.5 years ago which was entirely out of character and in despair because of being financially lied to is a significant contributor either. He has lied throughout about crucial things, family situation, money and then gaslighted and provoked me and recorded me without consent. I'm sorry but I think this is not a 50/50 contribution, although I do of course accept the breakdown is never down to one party. The difference is he can move on, he's from here, he can have a baby at 50 and no one will bat an eye lid whereas my life is in disarray.

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Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:51

And yes he did record my private conversation with my best friend, when she heard about it today she was deeply disturbed, like me.

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Bunnymumy · 12/08/2020 12:53

I get that it is natural instinct. I still want to go home every time something horrible happens for me. But i dont. Because i dont have a death wish. I know that if i gave up the good things in my life here to go home and be comforted, that 6 months down the line I'd be depressed af and kicking myself.

Start afresh. But somewhere that you dont have to give up what you have worked for.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:55

Thank you Bunny, that's a good wobble that you gave me. I just don't know right now if I have it in me, everything is in pieces. Only yesterday I was flying back thinking we'd have a lovely dinner and we were due to go away tomorrow. How things have changed.

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NotaCoolMum · 12/08/2020 12:56

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NotaCoolMum · 12/08/2020 12:57

@Thisisme34- ignore @NellyJames- you don’t have to justify yourself to anyone here. Xx

NellyJames · 12/08/2020 13:02

@NotaCoolMum, no I won’t, thank you. I’d like to see you tell a woman on here who says her husband slapped her that that’s irrelevant. The op assaulted her husband. That cannot be ignored when looking at his behaviour.