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Husband secretly recorded me - advice needed

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Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 22:31

Hi all. Long term poster, name changed.

Today I returned home following visiting my family for the first time in many months. DH lent me his iPod to listen to music on the way (flight) and I did it on the way back. I've randomly discovered that he recorded several arguments between us, all of which are saved on his iPod. I am in a state of shock. The recordings were made without my knowledge or consent.

In one of the recordings, DH was goading me to get me to say things I have never done, such as that I was violent towards him. I've never been violent towards him. I thought at the time this was odd but I was so upset and desperate in our argument that I didn't notice I was being recorded. I've never admitted anything cause there is no truth in it.

I come from a verbally and at timed physically abusive family (my father), full of what now would fall under coercive control. I'm 34 now and all my life I've lived with a chip on my shoulder as a result and admittedly I get over the top and desperate in arguments like my mum. I had no good example at home. However, I have picked up on it and have had counselling. I am no longer in touch with my abusive father which has been a major relief. I have worked extremely hard on myself and will have to do so probably for the rest of my life.

DH is, what I thought, a kind, non-confrontational person. He knows my past and never in a million years have I thought he'd use it against me. I hoped he would support me in overcoming my demons and that we'd have a good, loving marriage that I always dreamt of.

In the same time, DH is a liar. He lied to me immediately before and after our wedding 5 years ago about certain important things in relation to his family (re MIL who turned out to be a vile person but he was covering her actions). He lied to me about the fact he was in significant debt of several thousand pounds of which I had no knowledge. I knew he had 2-3k debt when we first got together which he wasn't paying off and it was accrued stupidly, on random unnecessary things. At the time we were both on not great money as we were studying to get further qualifications so that amount of debt wasn't worrying but he wasn't paying it off as he's not good with money. Therefore, I sat down with him and worked out how to pay it off. He promised me he would do it and I married him thinking there was no longer any debt and we'd be able to start saving up for a deposit for our house, a fresh start. 3 weeks after the wedding I randomly discovered his debt was 9k. That was a huge set back for us at the time and I was devastated. Admittedly, I slapped him then - once and only once in my life. It wasn't the right thing to do, but I was at the rock bottom once I realised another major breach of trust on his part. I felt terrible and apologised to him and never ever done it since.

I then forgave him and worked out how to pay it off. We paid it off. Saved up for a house, advanced our qualifications. We now have a beautiful home, good jobs, pets, trying for a baby, I sadly had several miscarriages which affected my MH greatly. But I got through this.

As far as I was concerned, our relationship was better than ever and he never breached my trust again. Until today.

I feel that he was trying to gather evidence against me which for some reason he has held on to for over 2 years. The arguments he recorded took place in 2018. He has since sold the phone on which the recordings were made, having reset it before, he says. However, as I said, the recordings are saved on his cloud and his iPod and for whatever reason, they are still there.

I confronted him tonight and he was shocked. He first said he never recorded me. Then finally admitted he did but "only twice", he "never shown it to anyone". He said he recorded me because he wanted to "relisten to it" but he never did. He also doesn't know how they were copied into his iPod, supposedly this wasn't done on purpose.

To present the full story, the arguments we have had were usually about DH being lazy around the house and not noticing things need to be done or not finishing them. He tends to be too laid back whereas I am a hard worker and I felt a huge share of responsibilities were falling on me whereas he wasn't doing much which I found difficult and upsetting as I hoped for an equal partnership. So probably not unusual arguments, however they were heated at times as I was repeating myself and asking him to change his attitude over and over again and sometimes I just had enough. To be fair about this, he has improved in that regard particularly in the last 1.5 years and we've barely ever argued. It was never heated either, since I've been very mindful following my counselling not to repeat my parents' mistakes.

I am devastated. This is like a blow straight into my heart. I thought this man would help me work through my worries and yet he completely turned against me, goaded me to say things that never happened. This isn't what a loving partner does. I feel this was done in bad faith to use it against me at some point, but he denies this.

I am shocked and broken. Is this the end? What do I do now? Do I get divorced at 34, in the pandemic, risk never having children which was my lifetime dream?

Have I been living a lie for 7 years?

OP posts:
GilbertMarkham · 13/08/2020 01:07

www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

GilbertMarkham · 13/08/2020 01:08

It really gets going in the "myths about abuse" chapter.

Thisisme34 · 13/08/2020 10:36

I am trying to fix these difficult things, yes. Isn't this what we all do in relationships, improve things that aren't perfect?

The dishonesty thing is a big issue for me and I still haven't decided if this is going to be a deal breaker this time.

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TheyThoughtItWasAllOver · 13/08/2020 13:51

@Thisisme34

I am trying to fix these difficult things, yes. Isn't this what we all do in relationships, improve things that aren't perfect?

The dishonesty thing is a big issue for me and I still haven't decided if this is going to be a deal breaker this time.

It would be for me. As a previous poster said upthread, "he's not on your team".

From experience, having children magnifies any existing issues, so if all of these problems are already so obvious, I would cut my losses now. I know that's easier said than done.

KOKOagainandagain · 13/08/2020 14:19

I would have thought that good communication skills, directly addressing difficult issues that can provoke strong emotional responses without exaggerating or minimising etc, is pretty essential in his line of work.

Are you sure he just can't communicate (ie with everyone in all circumstances) and not behaviour reserved for you exclusively? Because it sounds as if he is deliberately refusing to communicate (silent treatment) in order to disrespect you, show that your feelings do not matter and because it is a passive aggressive form of escalating that leads to you feeling exasperated and losing control - especially when, even whilst excusing his abusive behaviour because he was overwhelmed, he retains sufficient self-control to record a manipulated outcome.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/08/2020 14:24

@Thisisme34

I am trying to fix these difficult things, yes. Isn't this what we all do in relationships, improve things that aren't perfect?

The dishonesty thing is a big issue for me and I still haven't decided if this is going to be a deal breaker this time.

You can only 'fix' the things you want to change about yourself. You cannot 'fix' his dishonesty nor his temper. Only he can do that and it sounds to me as if he either isn't interested or doesn't think he has anything that needs to be fixed.

IMO once trust is broken a relationship is pretty much dead in the water. Oh sure, you can try to 'forgive' the past but you never really 'forget', you just shove it away in a dark corner of your brain. But it'll pop up again whenever your 'radar' starts pinging. I wouldn't want to live the rest of my life silently waiting for the other shoe to drop or internally questioning every little thing they do that seems to point to their prior behavior. It must be exhausting and joyless to live that way. Life is too short.

WhoamI83 · 13/08/2020 16:18

Can definitely only fix your own issues. I spent 15 very unhappy years trying to fix my husbands....didn’t work because he had no issues apparently. You’ve done a lot of work on yourself, perhaps it’s now his turn! People are allowed to make mistakes, we are only human but you have to show you putting the work in.

rvby · 13/08/2020 19:51

@Thisisme34

I am trying to fix these difficult things, yes. Isn't this what we all do in relationships, improve things that aren't perfect?

The dishonesty thing is a big issue for me and I still haven't decided if this is going to be a deal breaker this time.

You are trying to fix things that proceed from both parties in the marriage.

That way madness lies. I had a baby with the man I tried to cajole, over a number of years, into being on my side... it hurt so much more than you can imagine right now. We also had our good years, our quiet months. But it didn't stop the massive cracks in the foundation from ultimately causing it all to implode.

Aren't you tired?
Don't you want to be happy??
It really isn't meant to be this difficult my love.

AdoreTheBeach · 13/08/2020 20:10

Terrible breach of trust. You must’ve felt stabbed through the heart! Combined with past lies this is significant escalation of lack of respect to you and illustrating his lack of trustworthiness.

I could not imagine having children with this man. What else might he do in future?

Best to leave now.

People are dating now. Meeting fir walks in the park, drinks in the park or outside pubs/restaurants. It’s not too late to find someone worthy of you and trustworthy.

monkeymonkey2010 · 13/08/2020 22:59

I'm a lawyer myself and always going an extra mile for my clients, helping them out in every possible way
Ok.....and how easy is it for clients to prove they were set up by crooked cops/people in authority etc when presented with 'evidence' like this?

He works with prisoners/people who have mental health issues - and this is how deceptive he is and look at the lengths he is willing to go to set someone up........

I hope you give it some serious thought about reporting him to the police - he could be doing this kind of shit with the vulnerable people he works with............

Thisisme34 · 17/08/2020 20:55

Ladies, thank you for taking time to respond. I have given a lot of thought to what you've all said, the positives and the negatives. I know only I can assess the situation I'm in because relationships are very personal and we all act differently and accept and find happiness in different things. A lot of the comments that appeared on this thread have come through my mind in the course of this relationship. Some haven't and it has been interesting to look at things from a refreshed perspective. I've gone quiet to digest on everything and I've concluded I've been exasperated and unhappy for a very long time. I've taken on way too many responsibilities in this relationship, I've been the one carrying both of us forward with big things in life and also having to get involved in all the small ones because DH isn't attentive enough and doesn't have the get up and go or the initiative to do much unless specifically asked/shown. I have been lied to and become suspicious and desperate. This isn't me. My joy of life has been killed off. I'm a worn out, overworked and overstressed woman. He's realised he can have a happy go lucky, easy life with me because I'd do anything for him and deal with all the troubles whilst he can continue with his passive attitude and never get involved not to get hands dirty. In the same time he's a coward, lied to me about crucial things in life repeatedly. And then after all this he tried to pin the blame on me. I don't think I've realised how unhappy and stressed his passive attitude has made me over the years.

He won't change and I won't change personality wise. There are so many things I believe can be changed about people as I know well from my own example. But personality is not one of them. So we will go separate ways.

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SoulofanAggron · 17/08/2020 21:15

You're making the right decision OP. What's the plan now?

Thisisme34 · 17/08/2020 21:21

Currently we're living separately, on separate floors. The house has been up for sale regardless so it's still up - we'll split the proceeds. I haven't decided about moving countries yet. This is very hard and I'm not ready to make a decision yet.

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Vodkacranberryplease · 17/08/2020 21:26

I think this is a great decision. You are 100% right to focus on you, and on who you feel you have become.

Don't make any decisions about countries yet. It's a big thing to throw a career away. You'll have a few months where you regroup and make new friends... then you will be fine.

Good for you for reflecting and facing up to this. It's really unhealthy and you deserve better Flowers

Thisisme34 · 17/08/2020 21:35

Thank you Flowers

As it happens, a friend of mine who lives locally has just split up with her long-term partner. She is 33 and in a worse financial position than me. I am thinking about buying something for myself and offering her a room to rent, for as long as she needs to get herself sorted. Long-term, I don't know. The reality is I don't go out as much as I used to and don't meet many new people. My job will largely be wfh based going forward so not many opportunities either. I am coming to terms that I may have just written off my chance of becoming a mother, but that's too difficult to think about right now. I know many of you will say otherwise, but I'm realistic about things.

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Vodkacranberryplease · 17/08/2020 21:46

No you haven't. You are still very young. If you were 39 I might be a little less optimistic but you havd time. You just need to not waste it on twats and to be ruthless in getting rid of them.

As for WFH. Avoid it if you're single. So a new job perhaps?

Thisisme34 · 17/08/2020 21:57

I know when a major change comes usually other major changes follow immediately after, but I can't envisage leaving my job which is the only stability I have right now. Certainly not anytime soon, I need to get my mortgage sorted. It's a lot to think about. In my sector, wfh will be dominant across most firms. Maybe I need to get a grip and rediscover my hobbies.

I feel so stupid, I've been so loyal to him and I should have got my shit together and not married him. He lied before the wedding, what was I thinking.

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Katy5 · 09/02/2024 12:29

Recording in marriage and not knowing about it means that he/she has bad intentions, is not honest person and may have intentions to kill you to get money, children with or without his/her hidden double life. It is typical narcissistic behaviour of those who are bored of their partner with or without children and to fulfil their prepared plan to make you a bad person at court/police/family/lover. Be careful, these people may be quiet, nice behaving bad their bad intention is hidden from you to win their evil game for whoever/whatever is involved. I would report it or get more info about his private secrete life to get to the bottom of the truth who you really share the life with, are they risk to my children and so on. These people usually live double life, have addictions or bad intentions. Good luck.

ItsADoggieDogWorld · 09/02/2024 12:51

ZOMBIE THREAD

Katy5 · 09/02/2024 13:26

Recording a wife without consent means he has a hidden bad intention to leave you or use it against you in the future to gain something - property, money, children, double life with addiction and secret second family. Anything. It is a manipulative tactique of narcissists. Working on the system, helping people and recording you at the same time home without consent is a sign he is a wolf in the sheep coat. Be careful, these people can be dangerous. Leave.

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