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Husband secretly recorded me - advice needed

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Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 22:31

Hi all. Long term poster, name changed.

Today I returned home following visiting my family for the first time in many months. DH lent me his iPod to listen to music on the way (flight) and I did it on the way back. I've randomly discovered that he recorded several arguments between us, all of which are saved on his iPod. I am in a state of shock. The recordings were made without my knowledge or consent.

In one of the recordings, DH was goading me to get me to say things I have never done, such as that I was violent towards him. I've never been violent towards him. I thought at the time this was odd but I was so upset and desperate in our argument that I didn't notice I was being recorded. I've never admitted anything cause there is no truth in it.

I come from a verbally and at timed physically abusive family (my father), full of what now would fall under coercive control. I'm 34 now and all my life I've lived with a chip on my shoulder as a result and admittedly I get over the top and desperate in arguments like my mum. I had no good example at home. However, I have picked up on it and have had counselling. I am no longer in touch with my abusive father which has been a major relief. I have worked extremely hard on myself and will have to do so probably for the rest of my life.

DH is, what I thought, a kind, non-confrontational person. He knows my past and never in a million years have I thought he'd use it against me. I hoped he would support me in overcoming my demons and that we'd have a good, loving marriage that I always dreamt of.

In the same time, DH is a liar. He lied to me immediately before and after our wedding 5 years ago about certain important things in relation to his family (re MIL who turned out to be a vile person but he was covering her actions). He lied to me about the fact he was in significant debt of several thousand pounds of which I had no knowledge. I knew he had 2-3k debt when we first got together which he wasn't paying off and it was accrued stupidly, on random unnecessary things. At the time we were both on not great money as we were studying to get further qualifications so that amount of debt wasn't worrying but he wasn't paying it off as he's not good with money. Therefore, I sat down with him and worked out how to pay it off. He promised me he would do it and I married him thinking there was no longer any debt and we'd be able to start saving up for a deposit for our house, a fresh start. 3 weeks after the wedding I randomly discovered his debt was 9k. That was a huge set back for us at the time and I was devastated. Admittedly, I slapped him then - once and only once in my life. It wasn't the right thing to do, but I was at the rock bottom once I realised another major breach of trust on his part. I felt terrible and apologised to him and never ever done it since.

I then forgave him and worked out how to pay it off. We paid it off. Saved up for a house, advanced our qualifications. We now have a beautiful home, good jobs, pets, trying for a baby, I sadly had several miscarriages which affected my MH greatly. But I got through this.

As far as I was concerned, our relationship was better than ever and he never breached my trust again. Until today.

I feel that he was trying to gather evidence against me which for some reason he has held on to for over 2 years. The arguments he recorded took place in 2018. He has since sold the phone on which the recordings were made, having reset it before, he says. However, as I said, the recordings are saved on his cloud and his iPod and for whatever reason, they are still there.

I confronted him tonight and he was shocked. He first said he never recorded me. Then finally admitted he did but "only twice", he "never shown it to anyone". He said he recorded me because he wanted to "relisten to it" but he never did. He also doesn't know how they were copied into his iPod, supposedly this wasn't done on purpose.

To present the full story, the arguments we have had were usually about DH being lazy around the house and not noticing things need to be done or not finishing them. He tends to be too laid back whereas I am a hard worker and I felt a huge share of responsibilities were falling on me whereas he wasn't doing much which I found difficult and upsetting as I hoped for an equal partnership. So probably not unusual arguments, however they were heated at times as I was repeating myself and asking him to change his attitude over and over again and sometimes I just had enough. To be fair about this, he has improved in that regard particularly in the last 1.5 years and we've barely ever argued. It was never heated either, since I've been very mindful following my counselling not to repeat my parents' mistakes.

I am devastated. This is like a blow straight into my heart. I thought this man would help me work through my worries and yet he completely turned against me, goaded me to say things that never happened. This isn't what a loving partner does. I feel this was done in bad faith to use it against me at some point, but he denies this.

I am shocked and broken. Is this the end? What do I do now? Do I get divorced at 34, in the pandemic, risk never having children which was my lifetime dream?

Have I been living a lie for 7 years?

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YorkshireTeaIsTheBest · 12/08/2020 08:59

My ex husband tried to record me repeatedly. Cup of tea and then he would say " I am concerned about you, you exploded this morning , now you are calmer do you want to have a chat" etc...........they do it to create evidence that they can tell to children etc it's illegal unless you knew.

I record a lot of my ex husband's calls -but I state and have emailed him that they are recording. It helps him behave.

For me it is a trust issue. He recorded you from 2 years ago for A REASON. He planned it. He manipulated that conversation. It is a police matter.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 09:13

I said the arguments were heated years ago, not at all in the last couple of years. I feel some of you are really trying to make it something that it isn't, I think I was as transparent as possible in my posts.

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Jeremyironsnothing · 12/08/2020 09:15

How does he think you are reacting now? Does he think it's blown over or is he aware that you are contemplating leaving him?

WhoamI83 · 12/08/2020 09:16

Exactly, abuse it done to control and manipulate another. Slapping someone after being betrayed is not abuse, it’s a one off moment of intense emotion. It’s not right but it’s not abuse. Smashing a mug arguing over D.H. not helping is him trying to manipulate a situation by taking the focus away from what was actually being discussed. For example I was annoyed my D.H. came home very late without just dropping a text so dinner was ruined, he subsequently threw his dinner plate so then the argument about why can’t you just communicate when you going for a drink after work was twisted.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 09:18

He is aware, I had a discussion with him last night trying to get my head around it and I'm just speaking to him again now and made it clear that I don't know how I could trust him again and it's not going to go anywhere. He's still denying he did this in bad faith and now he's gone to the toilet. I think he can't even be honest now, when caught out.

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WhoamI83 · 12/08/2020 09:18

For my own self esteem I would not stay with someone who triggers me. You were upfront about your past If he can’t support you then their is no point.

LexMitior · 12/08/2020 10:30

Okay. Stop talking about it. He will be off telling people that you are crazy and he’s now worried about himself because of course this is very bad for him professionally. It is, btw, a very stupid thing for him to have done. It shows him in a very bad light.

Please talk to your friends about what has happened. It will protect you (to a degree).

cooldarkroom · 12/08/2020 10:45

Surely, the fact that you still aren't sure if there are other recordings, is the reason that you can't live like this.

GilbertMarkham · 12/08/2020 10:59

Spendthrift, bad with money/debt,wouldn't pull his weight unless pushed, liar ... A d now doing something unethical and quite sinister.

Please please don't continue trying to get pregnant with this man. Please rethink staying in the marriage at all.

(And don't stay because women are being told their fertility drops off a cliff at 35 and they think the guy is their only chance of having children.

90% of women under 40 fall pregnant within two years of trying. NHS website fact).

litterbird · 12/08/2020 10:59

Firstly a big hug. You must be feeling a gamut of emotions right now. He has done what he has done. This is not normal behaviour by any means at all. Think very very carefully about your next move. Tell close and trusted friends about this. If you remain in this relationship it would be best not to have children with him as he could use this against you at any time. What you always must remember is "this is not normal behaviour, it is manipulative and dangerous"

GilbertMarkham · 12/08/2020 11:01

You've been doing that thing where women "support" and mother and chivvy and organise and compensate for men, while thinking they're "good" - because they aren't outright beaters or cheaters. They're not good. There are other things that are unacceptable in relationships too.

Heffalooomia · 12/08/2020 11:05

I wonder how he'd feel if you'd been recording conversations?

AgentJohnson · 12/08/2020 11:08

Don’t do this to yourself, get out! You can’t live your life waiting for the other shoe to drop and it will always be a case of when, not if.

Clymene · 12/08/2020 11:09

I'm sorry OP but I'd put money on there being other recordings. He's trying to build a picture of you where you are the abuser.

There is no way forward from this. He is a liar and you cannot trust him at all.

Please end the marriage.

Shizzlestix · 12/08/2020 11:15

He isn’t trustworthy or honest, is he? I don’t think I could be with someone like that.

Onemansoapopera · 12/08/2020 11:21

If you were violent to me I would film you. Its a civil matter whereas yours (committing assault) is criminal. On balance of law capturing you potentially committing an offence against vs me filming you without your consent, its not comparable.

Take him to civil court.

freeingNora · 12/08/2020 11:33

Google reactive abuse the fact that you still believe this to be a good relationship despite this is an indication of how abused you are. Your threshold for what's good is skewed as is your ability to see clearly filming recording gaslighting hitting arguing lack of accountability or responsibility for the partnership is abusive. The power balance is off in your relationship you may not know it yet but I'd put pound to a penny the mug incident was a set up if he was able to have the thought to record you. He could always have left as could you. He's lying out of his backside as someone who's lived reactive abuse it's crushing to think that you reacted like that but here's the thing as set up uses you against yourself

You need to get out, get safe and get help

ColdOopNorth · 12/08/2020 11:40

Oh, what an awful shock for you - so sorry this has happened. I hope you have a good friend you can confide in and who can support you through this. Sounds like he has a history of lying and hiding the truth from you from the very beginning. You sound like an amazing person who has overcome your bad childhood and managed to sort your husbands debts and set up a nice home with a good job. I think if he had admitted it, offered to delete all evidence of his recordings and begged for forgiveness it would maybe be worth seeking counselling or giving it a go but he hasn't has he. He lied until he could not longer deny it and they still has the recordings. He is controlling and manipulative. You should seek support from women's aid or a local DV charity and seriously think about ditching this loser - legal advice might be useful as well. Sending you a big hug and you are still very young and really are too good for this guy.

Flipflopfoodle · 12/08/2020 11:41

My abusive relationship was with a man in a caring profession, working closely with the police. I think it helped him feel normal that he death with others, or superior as he hadn't been found out.
His recent recording of you because you sound aggressive and the fact you say you've worked on yourself and there have been no actually arguements recently makes me wonder if he wants you out of control and a volatile person?
Either way he is no true friend to you, sorry OP

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 11:46

Oh God, I'm a lawyer myself and always going an extra mile for my clients, helping them out in every possible way and yet I have failed myself so miserably on this one and now my whole life will be a failure after I did my bloody best and I'll never be a mum. I'd likely have to move countries again and start afresh at 34 and in my profession it's pretty impossible. I might as well just finish myself, my life is just not worth anything anymore, I won't go anywhere and everything I've achieved or thought I achieved was a lie.

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fizzandchips · 12/08/2020 11:57

You will get through this OP.
You have had counselling and have recognised the areas of yourself to change and have been very successful in doing so.
You are in shock now in recognising your new reality now that you have made these discoveries.
One day soon you won’t feel like you do now.
Please seek some real life support.
You are understandably upset, but you are a bright, articulate professional with your whole life ahead of you and you have discovered how awful your husband is before you had children with him. Leave now. Tell someone at work and get the legal support you have access to. Good luck.
Sending support.

stoploss · 12/08/2020 11:58

Please don't say that, it's all a bit shit at the moment but it will get better.

He has shown who he is numerous times, listen and try to disentangle yourself from him.

NellyJames · 12/08/2020 11:58

Well I’m going against the grain here. You seem to have turned the situation and the thread into a pity party for yourself OP.

Yes, he shouldn’t have recorded you but you were violent towards him. You hit him. You are acting as though that’s understandable because he’d lied about the amount of debt. No. It is never ok to hit your partner. If you were a woman on here saying you’d recorded your argument with your husband for your own security/peace of mind because he’d previously hit you then every poster would be saying your recording was justified. They are 2yrs old. He hasn’t done it since and you say yourself things have been great since then. You are perfectly entitled to feel you still want to end the relationship but you need to own the fact that you are the partner who hit and not try to dismiss that his actions are in no way related to yours. As for the suggesting that he goaded you into slapping him...ShockAngry words really do fail me.

Vodkacranberryplease · 12/08/2020 11:59

@Thisisme34 Take a breath OP. This isnt going to happen. You are going to carefully extricate yourself using your huge lawyer brain, working out what will the best way. Dont catastrophise - you have come too far to go down that hole.

You do NOT need to move countries or even cities. You only need to move house. Go carefully & just act a bit sad (disappointed) & talk about needing space. Get proof of him recording you but dont be massively confrontational. Hes probably having affairs so do some digging as that would be an easy ticket out. Just say (at some point when you are ready) that you need some space but want to stay friends.

As for never being a Mum at age 34 - nonsense. It sounds like this is a setback & you may need some more counselling but its a temporary setback. You cant reverse all the years of progress that easily. It sounds like you need to get back to your therapist as soon as you can & also set the wheels in motion to move out. Before this becomes unbearable.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 12:03

NellyJames you clearly didn't understand the posts, I've never once said he "goaded me into slapping him" but I don't have the energy to repeat myself. I owned up to my mistake and repaired it. If I'm still a bad one or throwing a pity party when my life has literally fallen apart yesterday then so be it.

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