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Husband secretly recorded me - advice needed

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Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 22:31

Hi all. Long term poster, name changed.

Today I returned home following visiting my family for the first time in many months. DH lent me his iPod to listen to music on the way (flight) and I did it on the way back. I've randomly discovered that he recorded several arguments between us, all of which are saved on his iPod. I am in a state of shock. The recordings were made without my knowledge or consent.

In one of the recordings, DH was goading me to get me to say things I have never done, such as that I was violent towards him. I've never been violent towards him. I thought at the time this was odd but I was so upset and desperate in our argument that I didn't notice I was being recorded. I've never admitted anything cause there is no truth in it.

I come from a verbally and at timed physically abusive family (my father), full of what now would fall under coercive control. I'm 34 now and all my life I've lived with a chip on my shoulder as a result and admittedly I get over the top and desperate in arguments like my mum. I had no good example at home. However, I have picked up on it and have had counselling. I am no longer in touch with my abusive father which has been a major relief. I have worked extremely hard on myself and will have to do so probably for the rest of my life.

DH is, what I thought, a kind, non-confrontational person. He knows my past and never in a million years have I thought he'd use it against me. I hoped he would support me in overcoming my demons and that we'd have a good, loving marriage that I always dreamt of.

In the same time, DH is a liar. He lied to me immediately before and after our wedding 5 years ago about certain important things in relation to his family (re MIL who turned out to be a vile person but he was covering her actions). He lied to me about the fact he was in significant debt of several thousand pounds of which I had no knowledge. I knew he had 2-3k debt when we first got together which he wasn't paying off and it was accrued stupidly, on random unnecessary things. At the time we were both on not great money as we were studying to get further qualifications so that amount of debt wasn't worrying but he wasn't paying it off as he's not good with money. Therefore, I sat down with him and worked out how to pay it off. He promised me he would do it and I married him thinking there was no longer any debt and we'd be able to start saving up for a deposit for our house, a fresh start. 3 weeks after the wedding I randomly discovered his debt was 9k. That was a huge set back for us at the time and I was devastated. Admittedly, I slapped him then - once and only once in my life. It wasn't the right thing to do, but I was at the rock bottom once I realised another major breach of trust on his part. I felt terrible and apologised to him and never ever done it since.

I then forgave him and worked out how to pay it off. We paid it off. Saved up for a house, advanced our qualifications. We now have a beautiful home, good jobs, pets, trying for a baby, I sadly had several miscarriages which affected my MH greatly. But I got through this.

As far as I was concerned, our relationship was better than ever and he never breached my trust again. Until today.

I feel that he was trying to gather evidence against me which for some reason he has held on to for over 2 years. The arguments he recorded took place in 2018. He has since sold the phone on which the recordings were made, having reset it before, he says. However, as I said, the recordings are saved on his cloud and his iPod and for whatever reason, they are still there.

I confronted him tonight and he was shocked. He first said he never recorded me. Then finally admitted he did but "only twice", he "never shown it to anyone". He said he recorded me because he wanted to "relisten to it" but he never did. He also doesn't know how they were copied into his iPod, supposedly this wasn't done on purpose.

To present the full story, the arguments we have had were usually about DH being lazy around the house and not noticing things need to be done or not finishing them. He tends to be too laid back whereas I am a hard worker and I felt a huge share of responsibilities were falling on me whereas he wasn't doing much which I found difficult and upsetting as I hoped for an equal partnership. So probably not unusual arguments, however they were heated at times as I was repeating myself and asking him to change his attitude over and over again and sometimes I just had enough. To be fair about this, he has improved in that regard particularly in the last 1.5 years and we've barely ever argued. It was never heated either, since I've been very mindful following my counselling not to repeat my parents' mistakes.

I am devastated. This is like a blow straight into my heart. I thought this man would help me work through my worries and yet he completely turned against me, goaded me to say things that never happened. This isn't what a loving partner does. I feel this was done in bad faith to use it against me at some point, but he denies this.

I am shocked and broken. Is this the end? What do I do now? Do I get divorced at 34, in the pandemic, risk never having children which was my lifetime dream?

Have I been living a lie for 7 years?

OP posts:
newlittle · 12/08/2020 04:36

I think he is/was afraid of you and that's why he did it. Have you considered that he is afraid of you? I'm no man apologist but that's what this smacks of to me.

PurpleFlower1983 · 12/08/2020 05:35

You sound bad for each other to be honest!

rawlikesushi · 12/08/2020 06:32

I recorded several arguments with xh. It was because he used to say things and deny them later, and also sound very cruel and nasty. I thought I would play them for him afterwards, so that he could hear himself, but never did. I've no idea if they're still sitting on my phone or not.

For me, this would be forgivable because I don't think his motives were necessarily dishonourable, because it was over two years ago, because he didn't know he still had them, because you've both worked hard to improve your relationship and were in a good place, because he has forgiven your bad behaviour in the past.

category12 · 12/08/2020 06:47

Time to end this. There's no way you can come back from this, and you're better off not trying.

You still have time for a new relationship and potentially children, but the longer you stay in this toxic waste the more your window closes. Cut your losses, start again.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 12/08/2020 06:59

@justilou1

You poor thing. I would be devastated too. I think the trust has been shattered by the sound of things. It sounds to me like you need copies of these recordings and to record a copy of him explaining why he did this. He has been biding his time, sitting on this expecting you to leave him for some reason or another, hasn't he?
This - if he is sorry and repentant, he will give you copies and the explanation you need.

But whatever happens, personally I couldn't trust him again - ever, and would leave while I was still physically and emotionally capable of doing so, and before I had a child to muddy the waters .

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 07:06

I found a third recording. He recorded my private conversation with my best friend in June this year, I was on the phone speaking a different language (I am bilingual). He doesn't speak the language so didn't know what the conversation was about but he said in response when I found it that "I was loud and he thought we were shouting at each other, so he recorded it to show me". It's August and I've never seen it before.

My best friend asked me to speak louder to her because she was travelling to work and couldn't hear me properly via WhatsApp video call, so I did - and we were talking about her little boy being a charmer to everyone and pretending he's a knight!!! Our language is quite vivid and can be mistaken for shouting when we're simply having a laugh. That's what's happened, but why on earth would he record my private conversation and never show me if not to prove some sort of a point to someone that I am supposedly a freak?!

I can't believe this, I am just gobsmacked.

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AlwaysCheddar · 12/08/2020 07:06

Ltb

Jayaywhynot · 12/08/2020 07:08

Hes completely out of order, definitely recorded you to use against you.
You should calmly sit down with him and say you need discuss again why he did this and then you secretly record the conversation as counter proof that he deliberately set you up and goaded you.
Then I'd make plans and leave him, I personally couldnt live with someone who did that Flowers

SentientAndCognisant · 12/08/2020 07:27

Given the 3rd recording it really is an untenable relationship
You two have a damaged & toxic marriage
Preserve your sanity, call it quotes

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 07:29

Re timeline of events as well, the two arguments he recorded took place immediately after he smashed my mug in the kitchen. We were arguing over washing and how I'm the only person who does it regularly whereas he allows it to pile up. He then out of the blue and completely out of character smashed it whilst making a coffee, out of spite. It went everywhere and I thought I had pieces of it in my forearm. So I panicked and shouted at him "leave me alone", went upstairs and was trying to stay in our bedroom with ensuite to check myself. He was trying to get in and pushed and shook me then. He then recorded our two arguments which took place immediately after in 2018, goading me throughout. Like I said, we have not argued much and not in a heated way since. So instead he's recorded my private conversation with my best friend in a language he doesn't know to wrongly paint me as I don't know whom anymore. I think I'm done.

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SentientAndCognisant · 12/08/2020 07:33

He’s not going to change,he’s shown you who he is and what he’s capable of

SentientAndCognisant · 12/08/2020 07:34

Signing off as I’m in work. Take care @Thisisme34

Sparkletastic · 12/08/2020 07:45

I think the 3rd recording is the decider. Recent, secretive, nothing to do with him at all. You can't really come back from this betrayal of trust.

justilou1 · 12/08/2020 07:50

He’s terrifying. Get copies. He’s got some kind of agenda.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 12/08/2020 08:09

I've never been violent towards him.

Admittedly, I slapped him then

It seems to be a toxic relationship with little respect on both sides - there's little evidence of something worth fighting for or preserving.

WhoamI83 · 12/08/2020 08:14

This really doesn’t sound good. I was in an abusive marriage. My husband would prey on my vulnerability from my childhood , he was constantly provoking me to snap. I never did because I was terrified of him but there were times I wanted to hit him because he made me mad, provoking and provoking. It’s really not good, it’s what they want, to fill you with shame and then use it to keep you from leaving. I don’t know your husband but I don’t trust him from what you’ve said. Mine was tolerable I’d say until our child was born and then it got bad. Don’t stay and have children. These are red flags, don’t ignore them!

Gogogadgetarms · 12/08/2020 08:16

In one of the recordings, DH was goading me to get me to say things I have never done, such as that I was violent towards him. I've never been violent towards him

OP this is where you lost me:
Admittedly, I slapped him then

So you have been violent towards him?
Yes I agree he shouldn’t have recorded you but you lie in the first half of this post saying you’ve never been violent towards him but then later admit you slapped him.

In honesty, it sounds like there is just too much bad feeling to go forwards. He lied about debt. He mis-lead you about the person his mother is. He’s secretly recorded you. And you’ve slapped him.

I know this is hard to hear and takes time to accept, but it doesn’t sound like the relationship is repairable to me.

VettiyaIruken · 12/08/2020 08:19

@Thisisme34

Re timeline of events as well, the two arguments he recorded took place immediately after he smashed my mug in the kitchen. We were arguing over washing and how I'm the only person who does it regularly whereas he allows it to pile up. He then out of the blue and completely out of character smashed it whilst making a coffee, out of spite. It went everywhere and I thought I had pieces of it in my forearm. So I panicked and shouted at him "leave me alone", went upstairs and was trying to stay in our bedroom with ensuite to check myself. He was trying to get in and pushed and shook me then. He then recorded our two arguments which took place immediately after in 2018, goading me throughout. Like I said, we have not argued much and not in a heated way since. So instead he's recorded my private conversation with my best friend in a language he doesn't know to wrongly paint me as I don't know whom anymore. I think I'm done.
I think he did that so he could pretend the aggressor was you if you reported him manhandling you. He went straight to 'cover his arse' mode by trying to create an alternative situation where he is the victim.
Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 08:26

To be honest, certain things happened that shouldn't have in the course of many years together - yes I do take that on board, but they were one-offs and apart from that the relationship was very good. I feel some of you are painting us as some sort of evil people which is easily done because obviously I spoke openly and honestly about the bad stuff - rare and unusual bad stuff, and not much about the good stuff which was overwhelmingly dominant. Our relationship was a million miles away from my parents and also having spoken to pretty much all of my friends, the issues that happened in their marriages over the years and their regular poor communication really told me how lucky we have been together. So whilst I accept criticism from some of you, I think a balanced view is needed. Relationships are multi-dimensional and rare difficult situations which in one way or another we all go through often do not come anywhere near outweighing the good.

The point I'm making I guess is that he appears to have a pattern which I feared, namely breaching my trust in many different ways which are quite serious to me. I've been forgiving, but this situation now has made me question everything.

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Wondersense · 12/08/2020 08:29

@SentientAndCognisant I believe that the caring as well as gatekeeping & security professions can attract those who love having control over others, and what better way than to have access and to some degree, control over another person's health, body and life? Some individuals will enjoy the ego boost that it brings, those who want and need to feel incredibly important and looked-up to.

Wondersense · 12/08/2020 08:34

OP you struck your husband.

I understand you had a violent father, but he didn't sign up to be at the receiving end of that too in the same way you didn't't sign up to be lied to. I'm sure you have trust issues about his lying, but he now probably has trust issues with you after you slapped him. It doesn't matter that you haven't done it since. You have shown him that you are a person that is willing and capable of physically striking their partner and as such he tried to protect himself in case you did it again. Maybe it's best if you end this relationship so you both can learn from your mistakes and have a fresh start.

BoggledBudgie · 12/08/2020 08:39

But you were violent towards him, you admit slapping him. Then you go on to say the arguments were heated and in the next breath say they weren’t.

Vodkacranberryplease · 12/08/2020 08:43

He doesn't sound right - the lying about debt is a big problem. His job can attract the wrong type. And the recording is way OTT. He should know it's illegal too. I would be careful - he could well be monitoring your online use, movements etc.

If this were me I would check my car for a tracker and my phone for software that spy's/records. It would also not be a massive shock to find out that he was having affairs.

He chose you knowing your background, and seems to be trying to trip you up/exploit your weakness. Not good at all. There must be other things happening too - things you perhaps don't want to see, or want to think of as minor but they are all part of the jigsaw.

ButterflyBitch · 12/08/2020 08:43

So after he’d smashed your mug and pushed and shook you, he tried to record you either being violent or admitting violence? He was worried you’d go to the police and was trying to get evidence that you were the same or worse. That’s how it looks to me after that post.
Also everyone sticking on the slap, she’d just found out after they were married that her husband had lied to her and broken her trust. She slapped him. She’s never done it since. She wasn’t abusive, she was deeply hurt and betrayed and yes it’s not an excuse for doing it but it wasn’t abusive.
Get out op. He’s a liar and manipulative. You can do so much better.

Menopausalgoddess · 12/08/2020 08:44

This happened to me. I was very confused just as as you are. I was not married but in a LTR. Before I found out he'd done it to me he'd told me about recording his ex which I thought was odd but partly understood as she was apparently violent and there were children involved. I never thought he'd do it to me though.

Anyway, it was a pretty rocky relationship and during one of our 'breaks' he listened into a conversation I had on the phone regarding him with a friend. I was upset and angry and obviously venting. The conversation lasted for about an hour and he insisted he'd 'overheard' it through the letterbox as he'd come around to sort things out with me but saw me on the phone so thought he'd listen in instead?! I was obviously upset with him during this 'break' and was not saying very nice things about him. He apparently left after I finished the call without me realising he was there. I called him the next day to sort things out and we then spent a lovely weekend together, he didn't say a word. I then went on holiday with my family and he didn't contact me all week, then sent me an email at the end of the holiday to end things with me explaining that he'd 'overheard' what I said about him through the letterbox. I was devastated and begged for him to take me back. In retrospect I don't think for a moment that he'd 'overheard' me. I think he'd left a dictaphone in my house as he didn't trust me and checked it (he had a key to my place) whilst I was away, which would explain why he was so nice to me the weekend before. I realised he'd been in my place as he left muddy footprints on the floor, I questioned him about it and he said he'd left his trainers at mine (he lives 40 minutes drive away and has more than one pair of trainers). He'd shown me the dictaphone he'd used to record his ex previously, in fact he played me one of there arguments?! (I know, I'm an idiot)

I didn't realise it at the time but it is coercive control and a major red flag. I felt sooooo bad for what I'd said that I initially overlooked that he should not have been listening in to my private calls. I brought this up with him later and he just could not understand that that behaviour was out off order as the ends justified the means. He'd got what he'd needed, evidence to use against me. He used it time and time again to make me feel bad about myself. It worked for a good while.

I know this was not the only time he did this, especially towards the end of the relationship but at that point I was past caring, I knew I couldn't stay and I was just biding my time.

Strangely enough, he was also lazy. He was very placid and laidback and so long as he was getting everything he wanted and I was all over him the relationship was great. Hmmm.....why did I leave again? ;)

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