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Husband secretly recorded me - advice needed

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Thisisme34 · 11/08/2020 22:31

Hi all. Long term poster, name changed.

Today I returned home following visiting my family for the first time in many months. DH lent me his iPod to listen to music on the way (flight) and I did it on the way back. I've randomly discovered that he recorded several arguments between us, all of which are saved on his iPod. I am in a state of shock. The recordings were made without my knowledge or consent.

In one of the recordings, DH was goading me to get me to say things I have never done, such as that I was violent towards him. I've never been violent towards him. I thought at the time this was odd but I was so upset and desperate in our argument that I didn't notice I was being recorded. I've never admitted anything cause there is no truth in it.

I come from a verbally and at timed physically abusive family (my father), full of what now would fall under coercive control. I'm 34 now and all my life I've lived with a chip on my shoulder as a result and admittedly I get over the top and desperate in arguments like my mum. I had no good example at home. However, I have picked up on it and have had counselling. I am no longer in touch with my abusive father which has been a major relief. I have worked extremely hard on myself and will have to do so probably for the rest of my life.

DH is, what I thought, a kind, non-confrontational person. He knows my past and never in a million years have I thought he'd use it against me. I hoped he would support me in overcoming my demons and that we'd have a good, loving marriage that I always dreamt of.

In the same time, DH is a liar. He lied to me immediately before and after our wedding 5 years ago about certain important things in relation to his family (re MIL who turned out to be a vile person but he was covering her actions). He lied to me about the fact he was in significant debt of several thousand pounds of which I had no knowledge. I knew he had 2-3k debt when we first got together which he wasn't paying off and it was accrued stupidly, on random unnecessary things. At the time we were both on not great money as we were studying to get further qualifications so that amount of debt wasn't worrying but he wasn't paying it off as he's not good with money. Therefore, I sat down with him and worked out how to pay it off. He promised me he would do it and I married him thinking there was no longer any debt and we'd be able to start saving up for a deposit for our house, a fresh start. 3 weeks after the wedding I randomly discovered his debt was 9k. That was a huge set back for us at the time and I was devastated. Admittedly, I slapped him then - once and only once in my life. It wasn't the right thing to do, but I was at the rock bottom once I realised another major breach of trust on his part. I felt terrible and apologised to him and never ever done it since.

I then forgave him and worked out how to pay it off. We paid it off. Saved up for a house, advanced our qualifications. We now have a beautiful home, good jobs, pets, trying for a baby, I sadly had several miscarriages which affected my MH greatly. But I got through this.

As far as I was concerned, our relationship was better than ever and he never breached my trust again. Until today.

I feel that he was trying to gather evidence against me which for some reason he has held on to for over 2 years. The arguments he recorded took place in 2018. He has since sold the phone on which the recordings were made, having reset it before, he says. However, as I said, the recordings are saved on his cloud and his iPod and for whatever reason, they are still there.

I confronted him tonight and he was shocked. He first said he never recorded me. Then finally admitted he did but "only twice", he "never shown it to anyone". He said he recorded me because he wanted to "relisten to it" but he never did. He also doesn't know how they were copied into his iPod, supposedly this wasn't done on purpose.

To present the full story, the arguments we have had were usually about DH being lazy around the house and not noticing things need to be done or not finishing them. He tends to be too laid back whereas I am a hard worker and I felt a huge share of responsibilities were falling on me whereas he wasn't doing much which I found difficult and upsetting as I hoped for an equal partnership. So probably not unusual arguments, however they were heated at times as I was repeating myself and asking him to change his attitude over and over again and sometimes I just had enough. To be fair about this, he has improved in that regard particularly in the last 1.5 years and we've barely ever argued. It was never heated either, since I've been very mindful following my counselling not to repeat my parents' mistakes.

I am devastated. This is like a blow straight into my heart. I thought this man would help me work through my worries and yet he completely turned against me, goaded me to say things that never happened. This isn't what a loving partner does. I feel this was done in bad faith to use it against me at some point, but he denies this.

I am shocked and broken. Is this the end? What do I do now? Do I get divorced at 34, in the pandemic, risk never having children which was my lifetime dream?

Have I been living a lie for 7 years?

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lyralalala · 12/08/2020 00:07

I wouldn't forgive that. Not only did he do it, but he then kept it when he got rid of his phone, and then he lied when you asked him

You'll never be able to have an honest argument with him again because you'll always be wondering if he's recording it.

You're not married, you have no kids, and your house is up for sale. It will never be easier to walk away than it is now.

hammie46i · 12/08/2020 00:12

I think possibly he has recorded you because you hit him. In some ways, I can understand it. And in that scenario I would let it go because it's just a recording. It shows how bad things got in that instance but if you have come back from it, fine.

However, the part that worries me, is that he was goading you while recording to get you to say something in particular. You two are not on the same team. Sorry OP :'-(

june2007 · 12/08/2020 00:14

This relationship is not working. I think blame lies on both sides.

hammie46i · 12/08/2020 00:15

I also wouldn't have children with this person. Because the recordings could have been possible leverage in a future custody battle. It's not a good space to bring children into.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 00:21

I'm not sure about the relevance of the debt/slap situation which took place over 5 years ago and was a one-off to recordings that he made 2 years ago. But I do agree entirely, I have no trust anymore and I wouldn't bring children to the environment that clearly isn't what I thought it was. I will not repeat my childhood story.

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Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 00:24

TheSandgroper, thank you. I choked up a bit when I read the description of this book.

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FenellaVelour · 12/08/2020 00:32

He is a lying toad, who drove you to slap him.

Hmm
Durgasarrow · 12/08/2020 00:41

No, you can not forgive him.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/08/2020 00:44

You were abusive when you slapped him. He was abusive when he recorded you. Five years vs two years makes no difference. Abuse is abuse.

Neither of you is good for the other. Sell the house, split the proceeds, call it a day. There's nothing wrong with saying "This was a mistake". the mistake would be to stay when the dynamics are so unhealthy. And the disaster would be to bring a child into this.

IdblowJonSnow · 12/08/2020 00:45

What a mess.
If it were me I'd be walking away from this. And you've also behaved badly - but you know this already.
It's good you dont have kids. Don't stay for that you can never trust this man now.

dramalessllama · 12/08/2020 00:49

Is he open to marital counseling? This, to me, would be key. Since both of your serious mistakes (him shaking you and breaking things, you slapping him once, and then him recording you) happened many years ago, I truly think this is fixable, but ONLY if both of you are willing to do the hard work and seek both marital and possibly individual counseling. If he owns his mistakes and you own yours, there is a chance you both can get past this.

I wish you the best! Flowers

JeSuisPoulet · 12/08/2020 00:56

Now you have had therapy I think you owe it to yourself to start again.
Neither of you have acted well in this and this history will be bought out over and again by both of you I feel. I agree with others; this isn't a stable relationship to bring a child into. Trust is broken and I don't think you'll truly get that back as you both have this shared violent history. It is hard to imagine it getting better with the stress of a baby thrown in.

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 00:58

Thank you dramalessllama Flowers He's downstairs, still up and looking devastated. He did say he shouldn't have done that and he's sorry but like previous posters said, my feeling now is that the trust is completely gone. I said to him before when he lied about MIL's behaviours (which involved quite serious issues) and then about the money that I didn't feel I could trust him. I've invested so much in this relationship in every way, I've always looked after him, sought counselling to be the best version of myself, worked so hard professionally to provide for both of us. I am not a perfect person and I don't think anyone is. But my biggest concern is that the trust is gone forever now. I can't go about life constantly thinking he's hiding something from me or being suspicious that he's recording me secretly and manipulating me.

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shouldhavecalleditoatabix · 12/08/2020 01:10

Wow. I'm definitely going to go against the wave of LTB here and I am prepared for a flaming.

Once upon a time OP, marriage was considered a partnership. We forgive family and friends transgressions but hold OH's to extreme high standards.

Here's the thing, only you know where you are in your relationship. Clearly you've both weathered storms and tried to improve your relationship. You've admitted some abusive behaviour and he has done the same. I don't believe the slightest transgressions mean throw the whole thing away. He ran up debt when you were young. You've both worked hard and cleared the debts and built a life. You were abusive in arguments. He recorded you. You got help and say yourself things have never been better. Clearly he didn't even remember he had the recordings else he wouldn't have handed you the device to hear them on.

So, my penny's worth is this.

Talk to him and decide together if it's something you can overcome. Don't take the advice of a hundred women on mn who offer advice they probably wouldn't follow if it was them. Relationships are complex and don't always run smoothly. What matters is whether you can grow together and keep improving. Relationships aren't all fairy tales and soul mates. They're gruelling and challenging yet rewarding and something to be savoured.

I wish you luck in whatever you do OP but I urge you not to blindly walk out on something because of an online forum and just really listen to your own feelings in this.

plimm · 12/08/2020 01:20

I would be very wary that things have been going well for your relationship lately because you've got rid of the debt and are financially doing okay as a couple.

My DH and I always got on well without the stress. As soon as stressors came into the equation, e.g. financial pressure, or young children, it becomes a shit show again.
We are now divorcing much later and one child later than we should have done, leaving me much worse off financially.

You have a lot going for you, you're still young, you have no children and your house is already on the market. I think it would be eminently sensible to end it for another relationship with trust and without any betrayal in it.

GetThatHelmetOn · 12/08/2020 01:27

It seems to me that you and your husband have a different perception of what being aggressive means. But the fact that he is recording you makes me think he is already preparing his exit and want to have some proof to justify his leaving.

Frankly, you have no children and you should dream of having children with someone who sees fit to get “proof” of your “Levels of aggression”.

If it helps, none of those recordings would be admitted in court as he didn’t have your permission to record you, but it would be a good idea to start putting your ducks in a row as he is already doing that.

GetThatHelmetOn · 12/08/2020 01:27

... doing that himself.

GetThatHelmetOn · 12/08/2020 01:31

Don't take the advice of a hundred women on mn who offer advice they probably wouldn't follow if it was them.

I second that, but do not waste the best years of your life staying in a dead marriage as a huge amount of us do or did Smile

Dita73 · 12/08/2020 01:37

It’s a very strange thing to do. You are not going to forget this. It will always be in the back of your mind even if you stay with him. I think once someone has broken your trust it will never come back. I wouldn’t waste your time being with him any longer. You could go back and forth for months/years trying to decide what to do. Don’t bother. He’s not the man you thought he was. Ditch him

Thisisme34 · 12/08/2020 01:40

I feel gaslighted. He always knew that honesty and trust are the two most important things to me and he chose to act dishonestly and in breach of my trust over and over again and then he's seemingly pointing fingers at me. I completely accept I wasn't always perfect, but my impression is that he has a hidden agenda in all this and he isn't the man I thought he was.

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Bunnymumy · 12/08/2020 01:47

See the smirking...that in itself is a dead give away. Think about it - how often in your life have you smirked? Probably a handful of times if even. Why? Because it is a display of contempt. Because it means 'haha :p'. Abusers however, I've found tend to smirk a lot. Something to think about.

And if I were you, I'd run for the hills.

whereistherum · 12/08/2020 02:41

You slapped him and then he recorded arguments and tried to get you to admit you slapped him?

Have I got the timeline right?

justilou1 · 12/08/2020 03:07

You poor thing. I would be devastated too. I think the trust has been shattered by the sound of things. It sounds to me like you need copies of these recordings and to record a copy of him explaining why he did this. He has been biding his time, sitting on this expecting you to leave him for some reason or another, hasn't he?

hammie46i · 12/08/2020 04:06

@Thisisme34

I'm not sure about the relevance of the debt/slap situation which took place over 5 years ago and was a one-off to recordings that he made 2 years ago. But I do agree entirely, I have no trust anymore and I wouldn't bring children to the environment that clearly isn't what I thought it was. I will not repeat my childhood story.
Oh sorry. I misunderstood the timeline of these events.

In that case, if he was recording and goading you 3 years after the slap, then you should not be with this person. He has serious issues. You cannot trust him.