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Feeling smothered by partner - Please help

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Greystorminthesky · 28/06/2020 19:12

My partner is basically a good man and I do have to stress here that there isn’t any coercion into sex.

However, I’m finding his general behaviour really suffocating. He constantly has to be touching me. Even just watching tv he has to sit right by me and have an arm around me, stroke my hair/neck, stroke my thigh. He’s the same in bed sleeping to the point where I am terrified to move as it starts him off again with grabbing and stroking and wanting to hold my hand. When we are out walking he always wants to hold hands and I know some people love this but I don’t - it’s restrictive and just feels a bit odd!

I do think a huge part of the problem is me. I was VERY independent before I met him and I haven’t actually lived with a man before. So I know some of it is just culture-shock. Just the same surely I should be able to send a text, browse here or FB or something without someone over my shoulder? Or is this just what it’s like when you’re in a couple? Sad

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BendyLikeBeckham · 29/06/2020 09:59

OP, i think pregnancy hormones are fuelling your thinking to a large extent. No big decisions should be made right now because this will pass. The heightened sense of smell is another pregnancy issue. It was my superpower for 9 months! I could have been employed as a police tracker dog. But it also meant I couldn't go into restaurants because I could smell everyone's food all at once. And public toilets were no go.

I agree with PP that without the pregnancy I would be saying you've got The Ick. But you can't judge that now because your body is incubating another human. Your internal space has already been invaded! Alternatively, im an evolutionary way, your body and baby could be cocooning in a party of 2 and he isn't welcome right now. This is all temporary.

The conversation is perhaps just another way that everything about him is irritating you right now.

And lockdown has given us all less to do and less to talk about.

I don’t see it as split or live together. Why not be in a relationship with him, coparent, but don't live together? You need your space. That is apparent. Go back to dating. Spend 2 or 3 nights a week staying over at each other’s places, but have your independence too. Not all relationships, even with children, need to be cohabiting 24/7.

MadCatLady71 · 29/06/2020 10:01

Late to this, but butting in anyhow. It seems to me that you’ve made a pragmatic decision to try to build a life with a man to him to whom you’re not terribly attracted and who you find a bit boring. But fundamentally you think he is a decent person and you want to take your chance at having a stable life and family. No one should judge you for that - women have been making those kinds of decisions for decades, and often it turns out to be a perfectly satisfactory approach.

So, having made a pragmatic decision, as opposed to being swept off your feet by love, you have to be rational how you approach the relationship. Of course he has annoying habits - we all do. It’s just that often, when we are totally in love with someone we don’t notice them, and by the time we emerge from the initial few years of madness we’re just kind of habituated. (And also, we don’t tend to fall wildly in love with people who irritate and bore us anyway.) So, work out what you can tolerate and what you need to try to change. Explain that you like a bit of physical space. Develop your own interests outside of the relationship. Find things that interest both of you that will give you a topic of conversation as well as something to do (I heartily recommend a good box set). And hopefully, when lockdown ends and life normalises things will get easier anyway.

Good luck. It won’t be easy in the short term, but it your long-term goal is stability, security and a family life I hope you achieve that.

Cocobean30 · 29/06/2020 10:10

Just tell him you don’t want to go for a walk. ‘I don’t feel like walking right Now’ stand up for yourself, it sounds like you’re being very passive and just letting him take control. Get some of your independence back. Tell him your back is hurting when he cuddles you so you need to stretch out and have some space. Go to another room and tell him you’re going to read a book etc and need to be left alone to concentrate. This is if you can’t face telling him you just don’t like being pawed at all the time.

Greystorminthesky · 29/06/2020 10:33

When I found out I was pregnant I told him honestly he was free to leave, I would not ask for anything from him, not money, not support, nothing.

If he is with me now it is because he wants to be.

I have approached it pragmatically, that’s the sort of person I am. People deciding that because I’ve admitted to being irritated by some things - inane conversation and being touched constantly and having my space invaded - that without a conversation first we are fundamentally incompatible and should split without even trying to sort it - I just find really odd.

I wanted to know how best to approach it and also how to discuss it without causing hurt. This is all new to me remember.

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XiCi · 29/06/2020 10:47

It's because OP inane conversation and being touched constantly and having my space invaded these are things that if they happened early in a relationship, as they are with you, most people would get rid immediately. No questions asked. Obviously with you being pregnant you want to try and overcome these issues but they are pretty major. Do you actually know after such a short time what sort of man he is? Have you met his friends, his family? What do you know of his past relationships? Is he a similar age to you?

Cocobean30 · 29/06/2020 10:47

I understand you are new to relationships but ya happy relationship does not consist of one person. Gritting their teeth while allowing the other to walk all over them. It is about give and take and you need to tell him that you need space sometimes instead of constant cuddling and you don’t want to go on walks all the time. If he is hurt or sulks over this then it is a massive red flag and you should consider not being together in that situation, as it suggests he feels he should be able to do whatever he wants and doesn’t actually care about your feelings. Being passive is not part of a healthy relationship. By all means give it a go and try and make it work but you need to make your wants know

FunTimes2020 · 29/06/2020 11:03

Is he new to relationships? I wonder if he is inexperienced and thinks that touching stroking etc is what he should be doing. cocobean30 has good suggestions, rather than having a full on sit down talk about his behaviour. Definitely don't text him! Is he kind and caring about your pregnancy?

Greystorminthesky · 29/06/2020 11:05

Yes, very.

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dottiedodah · 29/06/2020 11:08

I think you are fairly new to relationships and being pregnant as well. Phew thats a lot to take on TBH! Maybe just explain to him gently what you have told all of us here ,that you want to have a relationship with him ,you enjoy cuddles but like your own space as well!If he wants to stay with you , after you told him you were pregnant after so short a time he must care for you .I think you have a lot to get used to all at once .Even in long time R/L ,being pregnant changes the dynamics an awful lot! Just speak to him ,reassure him and see how things pan out.Dont rush it and take a day to day approach .If you have a place of your own then hang on to that if you can as well, (maybe rent it out) then you do have options if you need them .If not (hopefully) you will still have some money coming in each month .Good Luck and go easy on yourself .A few months down the line ,things could all look very different and you may wonder why you worried so much!

HavingAMoan · 29/06/2020 11:09

Sometimes after a day with the children I am all touched out, I can’t imagine then having DH come home and paw at me continually.

Newuser123123 · 29/06/2020 11:24

When you're pregnant /have a young child you can feel really 'touched out' especially when breastfeeding so this is likely to get worse not better. The exhaustion of a baby really takes its toll on a relationship - even a great one.
Do you really see yourselves together for the rest of your lives? Or co-parenting for the next 21 years? I think you should consider all the choices available to you x

Lillygolightly · 29/06/2020 11:27

Hey Grey,

I can absolutely understand that you want to do you very best and try really hard for your baby to have a good relationship/family. It’s a drive/need you have to see this through. Be aware of yourself because this drive can me we put up with things we really ought not to. He could probably do something pretty awful or outrageous at this point on you would probably be twisting yourself in knots trying to find a way to overlook it/get over it, so you can keep trying to give your baby the family you envisioned.

I speak from experience with this. Many years ago I did exactly what I have just described. Like you I was strong, independent and didn’t need a man, but I was pregnant and that changed me somehow. The things I forced myself to get over because I was pregnant are things I would never have tolerated for even a moment not pregnant. What’s more so is the person I punished for this behaviour was not him, but myself...I came to hate how passive/weak I had become as I had never seen myself in this light before. I just did not recognise myself any longer, and it all happened so easily that the strong independent me was no where to be found and the respect I used to have for myself had all but vanished. You really are just at the start of this, you can at this moment still see the you that you are, but you really are putting yourself in a trap of your own making by trying so very hard to have this family.

Those that are on this thread who have mentioned just how very sinister they find his behaviour are those of us who have experience or knowledge of this kind of subtlety of abuse. I completely understand how insane the word abuse seems, honestly I get it I really do. That’s the whole point of it though, were you to explain it to anybody or even yourself abuse is not the word you would use to attribute to his actions. Indeed one would probably pass it off as him just trying to be affectionate and loving. It is in its very nature designed to be confusing, for you to question yourself and others before you question him, it’s what makes this so insidious. If he was to punch you in the face however, it would be obvious right? You would know what to call it, you would not what to do, you would know not to stand for it! Abuse doesn’t start with a punch or a kick, and for some it never gets to that, abuse starts with the erosion of your boundaries, and that’s exactly what is happening to you right now. Your boundaries are being pushed and eroded, and the reason your putting up with it is because you don’t want to hurt him, you don’t want to break the possibility of a family for your baby. I don’t buy for one second that he doesn’t know exactly what he is doing, he knows exactly how your feeling when he is pawing at you. Think about it, if you were doing the same to someone else don’t you think you would be able to tell, would be able to feel that they weren’t into it? Someone who is intelligent and thoughtful enough to tell you where the key to the door is on first meeting, is not so blind as to not know that his constant touch is not wanted.

Now I am not telling you what to do or what you should do. I can see your very determined to see this through so all I am going to say is to be careful, keep your strength, keep your independence and ENFORCE your boundaries and remember just that because abuse can appear as being nice does not mean that it is not still abuse.

I wish you all the very best Grey.

StatementKnickers · 29/06/2020 12:05

This relationship sounds doomed, honestly. Babies need so much physical contact. You will not want him near you AT ALL when you have been dealing with a baby/toddler clambering on you all day! How is he going to cope with that?

Also, the fact that you don't actually have much to talk about is another red flag. You may have been alone for a while, but you don't have to settle for this.

TimelyManor · 29/06/2020 12:10

Well said Lillygolightly

It's probably been said already but OP if it wasn't just constantly fiddling with you but something more obviously sinister would you be asking for help to find ways of putting up with it? Keep the strength you say you have, you don't have to put up with something you don't like just because with that comes something you want.

TJ17 · 29/06/2020 12:13

@Greystorminthesky

When I found out I was pregnant I told him honestly he was free to leave, I would not ask for anything from him, not money, not support, nothing.

If he is with me now it is because he wants to be.

I have approached it pragmatically, that’s the sort of person I am. People deciding that because I’ve admitted to being irritated by some things - inane conversation and being touched constantly and having my space invaded - that without a conversation first we are fundamentally incompatible and should split without even trying to sort it - I just find really odd.

I wanted to know how best to approach it and also how to discuss it without causing hurt. This is all new to me remember.

I guess just because it doesn't sound like there's anything to "sort out" because the things you don't like about him are him as a person...I think if you don't even enjoy having a conversation with someone, or the physical affection, I just don't see where the relationship is in all of this 🤔

Do you laugh together? Do you enjoy his company? Do you look forward to seeing him, get butterflies when he messages? Do you love him? Do you think if you won the lottery or weren't pregnant you'd want to be with him forever?

Because if the answer to any of these isn't yes then no it's not a normal relationship and no amount of talking to him will change that. You can't just "work on things" to make yourself love someone. You have to love them first to be able to have anything at all to work out!

LittleCabbage · 29/06/2020 12:15

OP, sorry you are in this difficult situation. It sounds to me as though you want to keep your baby, but do not really like or fancy your partner any more, due to his smothering behaviour and inability to hold a conversation. FWIW, I couldn't stand being in a relationship like that.

Ask yourself - what does he bring to your life that is positive, apart from being the father of your child?

Greystorminthesky · 29/06/2020 12:18

Do your beloved friends and family never annoy you, TJ?

I mean that seriously - am I just irritable? My best friend of some 25 years sends me inane texts and they do annoy me a bit. Things like ‘what are you doing?’ when it’s 10 o clock at night on a Tuesday evening in November and I do sometimes feel like replying what the fuck do you THINK I am doing, swinging naked from the lampshades? I don’t because that’s rude but people have annoying habits and I know I will as well. My dad used to talk to me but really talking to himself in a monologue - ‘I’ll just have a coffee then I’ll go to the bank and I’ll ...’

What I don’t YET have with my partner is the sort of comfortable relationship where I can ignore inane comments or be sarcastic about them or even just say ‘don’t ask stupid questions.’

That’s why time matters hugely

He really is not abusive and I would be honest about that.

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TJ17 · 29/06/2020 12:20

It sounds to me like any old man would do as long as he's "nice", financially stable and that instead of finding a man you naturally like, you want advice on how to force yourself to like this particular one just because it's convenient.

I guess if you've never felt love (have you?) you wouldn't know how much better it could feel. But it's not something you can force.

TimelyManor · 29/06/2020 12:23

He really is not abusive and I would be honest about that

You might not be seeing it. I was in an abusive relationship and I nkew it wasn't good but I didn't realise quite how abusive till Women's Aid pointed it out. It can be very insidious.

Greystorminthesky · 29/06/2020 12:29

Ok. Well I do appreciate the replies. I’m wrapping the thread up now as I think that I’ve had the answers I need and I think it’s starting to become a bit unhelpful and stressful so thanks again and I won’t be updating

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TJ17 · 29/06/2020 12:35

I guess the answer is no, my husband doesn't annoy me to the point of being physically repulsed by him...do we get annoyed at each other, yes. We've been together 13 years but I still get excited to see him after work and I find him interesting to converse with. We laugh together, I enjoy his affection (admittedly it's not OTT like you describe and I wouldn't like that either)

But at the end of the day I know I am with him because I love him to the end of this earth, no matter what his annoying habits are, I don't need him to change in any way and even if we didn't have children and I didn't rely on him financially I just couldn't imagine living my life without him.

At best you can have a conversation with him about the touching and he could dial it down and be mindful of your space but he cannot make himself more interesting to you to converse with? That's just him as a person. If you don't enjoy speaking to him and him opening his mouth just annoys you I don't see how that can change 🤷🏼‍♀️

Maybe list the things you do like (or love) about him and it might help us to understand it more. But just financial security and having a baby together doesn't make you compatible. Or him just being "nice" because lots of people are nice.

NoMoreDickheads · 29/06/2020 13:14

People's only agenda in saying that they think leaving would be for the best is that you don't sound suited, plus he's a pest.

Yes, sometimes friends and family annoy or bore, but there's annoying and there's annoying/creepy, there's boring and there's boring.

And friends or partners being annoying or boring tends to be more occasional rather than this which seems to take up a lot of the day.

No-one is attacking you or anything, we just think it sounds really stifling and unpleasant.

Please keep us updated. xxxxx

TimelyManor · 29/06/2020 13:21

I understand what we're saying is stressful to you, OP, it's not easy. We're really only wanting what is best for you. Best of luck to you Flowers

TJ17 · 29/06/2020 13:22

Yeah sorry if you feel attacked, didn't mean to make you feel like that at all!

Just from what we've read it doesn't sound like you are happy so people are trying to help. Maybe it's a bit forceful and it is up to you at the end of the day what you choose to do.

madcatladyforever · 29/06/2020 14:30

My ex was like this OP, I couldn't stand it. Constantly needy - it drove me mad. It was childlike neediness and I don't need another child to look after, I need a man.