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He needs to “win”. Is this gaslighting or just being a d*ck?

365 replies

Melandri · 17/06/2020 21:35

Has anyone dealt with a really argumentative partner who doesn’t see themselves that way?

My partner picks at anything until he finds a disagreement or a reason to fall out.

Recently he told me he doesn’t like the way I need to go for a walk when I’m frustrated or upset, especially if it’s fairly late, and would I mind not doing it because he worries.

I said fair enough but I do like a bit of space to clear my head but I won’t go out at night if he’ll worry (it doesn’t happen often btw, maybe twice in the last few months.)

I thought that was the end of the conversation but no.

He then said “if you did still want to go for a walk, would you tell me?” To which I replied “of course, I’m always honest with you and there’d be no reason not to tell you”

He then said:
“Are you calling me a bullshitter?”

I was so surprised at the direction that this took but said “no, of course not”.

He’s now saying that because I said I’m honest, I’ve indirectly said that he’s not.
It’s been over 24 hours now and he’s still really worked up over it even though I’ve told him I dong feel that way and don’t think that and definitely didn’t imply it or didn’t mean to.

Anyway, after lots of shouting and arguing from him, and me staying calm and telling him that I don’t think he’s a bullshitter he’s summed it up saying that the issue is that I don’t understand.

I said “I do” and he replied saying “no you don’t”.

I’ve asked him what I can do to help us move on and he said his lost where he is with everything but he won’t back down because that will mean I’ve won. I don’t see it as winning or losing I just think there’s been a bit of confusion and rather than letting it go he’s clinging to it.

I don’t know why he’s like this. Can anyone help?

[Note from MNHQ - 22/11/2020: please note there is a recent update from the OP].

OP posts:
Honeyroar · 17/06/2020 22:26

I don’t know why, I thought this was a long standing relationship. After only 8 months is it worth it? This is the honeymoon stage, before the rose tinted spectacles come off. If he’s like this now is it worth it??

InfiniteGerbils · 17/06/2020 22:26

8 months in?!

Fuck that shit for a game of soldiers. He’s a MN emotionally manipulative shithead and you know that tolerating such behaviour only gives men like this licence to continue it and turn up the heat.

InfiniteGerbils · 17/06/2020 22:27

(Where did that extra MN come from?!?!?!)

Standrewsschool · 17/06/2020 22:34

From your op, my first thought was that he was overthinking your response. Reading between the lines, except there are no lines to read between.

My second thought was that he could be controlling, as he likes to win. Have you noticed this before? Does he like to have the final say in the matter, dictate where you are going, what to buy etc?

Has anything caused the erratic behaviour to ramp up? Lockdown?

missymousey · 17/06/2020 22:36

Oh god no. After 8 months?! Think what he'll be like after 10 years - you'll be afraid to open your mouth. Sorry OP, that way lies misery.

Aerial2020 · 17/06/2020 22:37

Nah, will only get worse.

NoMoreDickheads · 17/06/2020 22:37

He then said “if you did still want to go for a walk, would you tell me?” To which I replied “of course, I’m always honest with you and there’d be no reason not to tell you”

This bit is weird anyway because he knows you'll want to go for a walk if you're in that frame of mind, you've agreed not to just because he said he doesn't like it.

But now it's not enough for him that you don't do a thing, you're suppose to not want to do it, just because you've said to him you won't do it? Confused

But then if you do want to do what you've agreed not to do, you're supposed to say? As if that wouldn't lead to more of an argument with this guy. Shock

I think the problem with this guy is he can't control your inner world and so he will never be happy unless he brainwashed you into not wanting to do anything he didn't want.

Or whatever it is, it doesn't sound good.

5LeafPenguin · 17/06/2020 22:42

IME the suprisingly hurtful stuff is flashes of the behaviour which will be part of your relationship long after he has stopped trying to impress you. The 'he won’t back down because that will mean I’ve won' is not a good sign at all.

Bookoffacts · 17/06/2020 22:45

Why is he not allowing you to go first walks
"Because he worries"
He's controlling your liberty and freedom of movement. It'll only get worse.

Run!

Bookoffacts · 17/06/2020 22:46

For not first

LordOftheRingz · 17/06/2020 22:52

The very fact that you have posted this thread is testament to the number that he has pulled on you.

He picks a fight, so you need space, then he says 'he's worried you need space', so you say ok - I don't want you to worry, then he asks if thats ok, and does not believe you.

You deserve better.

Melandri · 17/06/2020 22:52

It really doesn’t look good, I suppose I knew that deep down but thank you all for highlighting it for me.

I wish I could show him this to try make him understand...

Please don’t shoot me for asking this but do you think these guys ever change? I’m guessing that’s wishful thinking...

OP posts:
VanGoghsDog · 17/06/2020 22:59

I think I'd be going for a lot more walks. Long ones. One way......

TwentyViginti · 17/06/2020 23:01

You can never make these type of men understand, because they are always right. It's you who has the problem.

No, they don't change. They just ramp up the control over time. He's already curtailed your freedom to walk at night, because of his fears AKA seeing how much you'll give up for him. If you're out walking, you can't be there to be emotionally battered by his arguing over nonsense, you see.

1235kbm · 17/06/2020 23:04

He's not gaslighting you OP but he's emotionally abusive. It's really good that you've spotted this huge red flag before you were further involved.

He'll never compromise or be able to discuss anything as he sees himself in competition with you. You're trying to work through problems but he wants to dominate you and come out the 'winner'.

Take a look at the The Verbally Abusive Relationship: How to recognize it and how to respond by Patricia Evans

MummytoCSJH · 17/06/2020 23:06

No, they don't change. Tell him to do one ASAP!

Doyoumind · 17/06/2020 23:09

Take it from someone who has been in an abusive relationship - he is controlling you and the narrative and it won't get better. Move on.

BashStreetKid · 17/06/2020 23:11

It doesn't sound as if this relationship is remotely worth the hassle. It's just tiring dealing with this level of childishness.

Aerial2020 · 17/06/2020 23:13

He's preparing you to accept it. Training you.
He worries? You're a grown adult. It's rubbish to make you think he's caring.
Get out now.
It really doesn't matter why, you're wasting your time.

Binks15 · 17/06/2020 23:23

I work with domestic abuse services and I would say the most worrying part of this is the not wanting you to go for a walk thing... It’s not gaslighting but it is controlling and those behaviours tend to get worse. Have you been living together during lockdown? This is a fairly new relationship so if you’re already feeling this uneasy it may be best to call it a day perhaps - he’s probably not a really bad guy maybe it’s just a bad fit at a strange time.

Melandri · 17/06/2020 23:24

I really didn’t want to hear that but I needed to so thank you. Genuinely.

I think being in my early 30s and knowing how wonderful he is in so many other respects made me naively hopeful that he’d change, but I know he probably won’t.

I won’t lie I’m gutted. Not so much at losing him but at losing what I thought it was, what I’d been led to believe could have been an amazing relationship but would probably be one of childish behaviour at best and controlling abuse at worst.

sigh I just feel so disappointed. Still, I’m made of stronger stuff so I’m sure I’ll be ok I’m just disappointed and quite frankly a little bit pissed off that he thinks it’s acceptable to act that way.

Please tell me that at 32 I won’t end up alone?!

OP posts:
Melandri · 17/06/2020 23:27

Thanks @Binks15 that’s really useful. I hope I wasn’t insensitive with asking about gaslighting, I could feel something wasn’t quite right but couldn’t place my finger on it.
Hopefully you’re right and it is just a bad fit at a strange time...

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Dollyrocket · 17/06/2020 23:28

I think it’s good you’ve had the chance to see this behaviour before it’s got more serious / moved in together properly.

It’s highly unlikely that he will change and I don’t think you’d be on here asking if you knew this was a one-off.

The whole thing about you not going out for a walk is quite symbolic of his need to control your body / mind.

FizzyGreenWater · 17/06/2020 23:30

Omg you're only 32. You will be FINE.

But do you know, even if you did end up alone it would still be better than being ground down by a childish, abusive, immature bad-tempered little twat for the rest of your life!

WaitingForTheTurn79 · 17/06/2020 23:33

You weren't insensitive to ask about gaslighting ... Gaslighting is when a person tries to distort another's reality and it can be really quite straightforward or it can be very complex. The conversation you had with your bf felt unnatural as well as confrontational , it was an understandable place to go and might actually , as part of a bigger pattern, be gaslighting . Just on its own you can't see it. But your instincts were good either way.