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He needs to “win”. Is this gaslighting or just being a d*ck?

365 replies

Melandri · 17/06/2020 21:35

Has anyone dealt with a really argumentative partner who doesn’t see themselves that way?

My partner picks at anything until he finds a disagreement or a reason to fall out.

Recently he told me he doesn’t like the way I need to go for a walk when I’m frustrated or upset, especially if it’s fairly late, and would I mind not doing it because he worries.

I said fair enough but I do like a bit of space to clear my head but I won’t go out at night if he’ll worry (it doesn’t happen often btw, maybe twice in the last few months.)

I thought that was the end of the conversation but no.

He then said “if you did still want to go for a walk, would you tell me?” To which I replied “of course, I’m always honest with you and there’d be no reason not to tell you”

He then said:
“Are you calling me a bullshitter?”

I was so surprised at the direction that this took but said “no, of course not”.

He’s now saying that because I said I’m honest, I’ve indirectly said that he’s not.
It’s been over 24 hours now and he’s still really worked up over it even though I’ve told him I dong feel that way and don’t think that and definitely didn’t imply it or didn’t mean to.

Anyway, after lots of shouting and arguing from him, and me staying calm and telling him that I don’t think he’s a bullshitter he’s summed it up saying that the issue is that I don’t understand.

I said “I do” and he replied saying “no you don’t”.

I’ve asked him what I can do to help us move on and he said his lost where he is with everything but he won’t back down because that will mean I’ve won. I don’t see it as winning or losing I just think there’s been a bit of confusion and rather than letting it go he’s clinging to it.

I don’t know why he’s like this. Can anyone help?

[Note from MNHQ - 22/11/2020: please note there is a recent update from the OP].

OP posts:
MaxNormal · 23/11/2020 18:14

How bloody dare he! I'm actually fuming for you, the sheer arrogance of him feeling entitled to do this to you because you had what was in his eyes the audacity to not stick around and take his bullshit and his headfuckery.

MadamBatty · 23/11/2020 18:22

You are using reason to try to work out a person who is totally without reason. He is irrational & sounds mentally unwell. Do not engage, do not talk to him, do not make eye contact. Phone the police.

Inaseagull · 23/11/2020 18:36

What did the police say when you called them this morning to report the continued threats?

strangewhenastranger · 23/11/2020 18:55

OP are you saying that you got your stuff from his flat in June and there has been no contact between you until last night at all?

strangewhenastranger · 23/11/2020 19:01

accusing me of things that never happened

what things, exactly?

LannieDuck · 23/11/2020 19:17

Well done for trusting your instincts in June! Sorry he's proving even more unhinged than thought. I hope the police can offer some guidance and reassurance.

laudemio · 23/11/2020 19:31

Ltb

xsquared · 23/11/2020 19:46

@laudemio

Ltb
She already has @laudemio. He is harassing her nearly half a year later for having new partner.
SprinkleKnees · 23/11/2020 20:05

I don't normally comment but wanted to advise you to get a blanking plate for your letterbox, also don't leave windows open on latches as they're easy to get in through. Sorry you're going though this i know how terrifying it is.

Hangingover · 23/11/2020 20:16

You poor duck OP, that sounds so scary Flowers

BrowncoatWaffles · 23/11/2020 20:20

@Melandri

He turned up ranting and raving saying I’m a bitch, and that I’m going to break people’s hearts. It was ok for me that I got to walk away and be happy but he’s unhappy in his job and his life and doesn’t have anyone.

Honestly I don’t really understand it.

He said he’ll tell everyone that I’m a bitch and make sure they see what kind of person I am. I don’t know what he means or what he could possibly do, my friends and family wouldn’t believe him and the only bad thing I’ve done is not want to be with him so it would be fruitless.

I think it’s more about intimidation and control and I’m hoping hoping he’ll give up soon.

Has he gone? I'm guessing so as this was a couple of hours ago. How did he leave? Did you engage with him or was he shouting all this from outside? I'd definitely ring the police officer you spoke to previously and update them on him returning.
Daleksatemyshed · 23/11/2020 23:30

I'm so sorry you're having to put up with this @Melandri. His line about " he has no one' is very telling, he could cope with you leaving but not you having someone else, he wanted to think you were sad and lonely without him. Call the police, tell and show them everything he's said and don't stop until they take action against him. You're bewildered by his threats because you know you are a decent person whose done nothing wrong but he will lie, lie and lie again to try to justify himself. Feel no pity for him, he will have absolutely none for you. Please take care

ProfessorPootle · 24/11/2020 00:07

Agree with pp, do not engage with him. If he messages, block. Tell police, colleagues, friends, neighbours, that he’s threatening you and to keep an eye out for him. Speak to police about a restraining order, log everything with them. Ring doorbell, security lights a good idea.

I had a nightmare at uni with an ex bf like this, he resorted to stalking, he’d lurk in bushes and follow me home, he broke into my room by grabbing my keys, letting himself in and refusing to leave. Then onto suicide threats, he’d follow me round town shouting that I didn’t care. I ignored, reported to student services. Eventually he had a mental breakdown and his parents collected him and took him home 300 miles away so I was free of him, thank god.

Please take care. Don’t engage x

LittleEsme · 24/11/2020 01:03

Who'll install the Ring cam OP? How soon can you get it done?

DeeCeeCherry · 24/11/2020 02:57

Has anyone dealt with a really argumentative partner who doesn’t see themselves that way?

My partner picks at anything until he finds a disagreement or a reason to fall out

I wasted 5 years on a man like this. I dumped him after 1 year but stupidly took him back. They can be very nice and attentive. If they weren't, they wouldn't be able to keep you, would they?

Get rid of him. You'll be upset but after a while you'll appreciate the peace. No noise, bickering, bad atmosphere. The eventual boredom of dealing with that impenetrable need to always and forever be right.

I could cringe that I gave an ill-mannered dickhead so much time. They're usually handsome and charming. Real street angel/ house devil types. Underneath it all they don't like women, and want to break your spirit.

Just get rid of him. You'll survive. If you stay your mental health will be shot to pieces eventually. He'll wear you down. There is not a single man walking this earth who's worthy of that.

I bet he turns into 'Mr Perfect' if you decide to walk. It won't last though, they can't maintain the facade.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 24/11/2020 03:52

Why don't people RTFT?

Look after yourself, report every incident to the police. it sounds terrifying, be careful!

Keepingthingsinteresting · 24/11/2020 08:42

I’m so sorry you’re having to deal with this OP, I’ve been there and it’s such a headfuck when they are saying things like that even though you know it isn’t true. It’s his inadequacy that is driving this- it really isn’t about you, ironically it could be any woman, you’ve just drawn the short straw.

Don’t engage, report everything to the police, warn friends & family and make sure he is blocked on everything and the house is secure then just try not to let him get in your head (easier said than done I know).

Keep talking too- this stuff can get very overblown in your head. If he know where you work consider telling them if you think they will be supportive.

Take care & we’re here if you need us.

strangewhenastranger · 24/11/2020 21:37

Is everything ok, OP?

Melandri · 25/11/2020 15:36

Hi all,

Thank you so much for your kind messages of support and advice, it’s so helpful and means a lot.

An update for you - he got his mum to send me a message this morning asking me to call him and he’s sent a DM to my cousin on Instagram saying he just wants “closure” and that he doesn’t want to involve anyone or cause any hurt but he’s got questions he wants answering. He acknowledged that the police may be called and said whilst he doesn’t want trouble it’s fine.

I can’t believe I’m going to have to go back to the police again. I naively thought it would be over soon...

Those with experience - how much longer will this go on? I’m struggling.

OP posts:
kshaw · 25/11/2020 15:39

Wow I could have been in that argument with my husband easily. I left him 7 months ago as he literally made me feel like I was losing my mind with these types of arguments. I do not walk on eggshells anymore

Bunnymumy · 25/11/2020 15:42

He is trying to play upon the fact that you are a decent human being who cares about peoples feelings to manipulate you. Horrible man.

Funny how these 'questions' suddenly came up when you got a new fella isn't it! Even if it were the case (and if he wasnt an aggressive lunatic) you dont owe him squat. Tell your cousin to block him and tell his mother never to contact you again and block her too.

And yeah, think I would go back to the police.

Chances are that once he realises his recent moves arent working he will lose interest. But considering he turned up at your door already...take no chances.

Cavagirl · 25/11/2020 15:43

This is awful, I'm so sorry OP.
I would ignore the mother and just block and report to the police as you say, get your family and friends to block also. And tell them don't allow messages from randoms on IG!
"He's got questions he wants answering" which apparently justifies hounding you out of your house, threatening to destroy your life? He can fuck off, who does he think he is??
Are you still at your friend's place?
A few people asked but you may have missed it - is it correct that you finished with him in June, haven't had anything to do with him since then and suddenly he turned up on your doorstep months later threatening you?

Bunnymumy · 25/11/2020 15:46

A useful saying to keep in mind and to repeat to yourself as and when required: 'I don't negotiate with terroists'.

That's what he is, an emotional terrorist. A bully. A sociopath or similar. Give him nothing.

kshaw · 25/11/2020 15:48

And now I've just rtft - sorry to have replied to the OP not the updates. Keep safe xx

Queenofthemadouse · 25/11/2020 15:51

Hugs @Melandri You've come so far. This must feel like a kick in the teeth.

Perhaps a reminder to all of your family and friends that instead of telling you of any contact he may make in the future, that they should report it to the police straightaway and NOT tell you.

He's an absolute piece of shit and clearly cannot handle not getting his own way. Stay strong. You've done amazingly. Don't go back now xx