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He needs to “win”. Is this gaslighting or just being a d*ck?

365 replies

Melandri · 17/06/2020 21:35

Has anyone dealt with a really argumentative partner who doesn’t see themselves that way?

My partner picks at anything until he finds a disagreement or a reason to fall out.

Recently he told me he doesn’t like the way I need to go for a walk when I’m frustrated or upset, especially if it’s fairly late, and would I mind not doing it because he worries.

I said fair enough but I do like a bit of space to clear my head but I won’t go out at night if he’ll worry (it doesn’t happen often btw, maybe twice in the last few months.)

I thought that was the end of the conversation but no.

He then said “if you did still want to go for a walk, would you tell me?” To which I replied “of course, I’m always honest with you and there’d be no reason not to tell you”

He then said:
“Are you calling me a bullshitter?”

I was so surprised at the direction that this took but said “no, of course not”.

He’s now saying that because I said I’m honest, I’ve indirectly said that he’s not.
It’s been over 24 hours now and he’s still really worked up over it even though I’ve told him I dong feel that way and don’t think that and definitely didn’t imply it or didn’t mean to.

Anyway, after lots of shouting and arguing from him, and me staying calm and telling him that I don’t think he’s a bullshitter he’s summed it up saying that the issue is that I don’t understand.

I said “I do” and he replied saying “no you don’t”.

I’ve asked him what I can do to help us move on and he said his lost where he is with everything but he won’t back down because that will mean I’ve won. I don’t see it as winning or losing I just think there’s been a bit of confusion and rather than letting it go he’s clinging to it.

I don’t know why he’s like this. Can anyone help?

[Note from MNHQ - 22/11/2020: please note there is a recent update from the OP].

OP posts:
MadamBatty · 25/11/2020 16:15

& you went out with him for a matter of weeks. It’s finished, you don’t owe him anything. Block all & every contact connected to him.

Cygne · 25/11/2020 16:16

Can you contact his mother at all to get her to realise that if he doesn't back off he's going to get himself into serious trouble? And to suggest she persuades him to get psychiatric treatment?

Bunnymumy · 25/11/2020 16:23

@Cygne

Can you contact his mother at all to get her to realise that if he doesn't back off he's going to get himself into serious trouble? And to suggest she persuades him to get psychiatric treatment?
It sounds like his mother is an enabler. I mean think about it, no sane woman is going to go 'sure son, I'll text your ex gf out of the blue and get involved in this shitshow'. She's as mental as him. Or scared of him.
Mix56 · 25/11/2020 16:23

If he's asking his mother to intervene, I would reply to her, saying you broke up X months ago, at his instigation. she needs to encourage him to get therapy. He is making a nuisance of himself & police have been called.
You need to get a non-molestation order & call the police every time he shows up.
He really does seem to have some kind of psychological issue.obsessive thoughts (a strain go OCD) www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/about-mental-illness/learn-more-about-conditions/obsessive-compulsive-disorder-ocd/ read the intrusive thoughts part.) I assume he knows where you work? You need to warn them, & your family.

Bunnymumy · 25/11/2020 16:27

Pft, he's just your standard abusive narcissist.
He doesnt need help, he needs locking up. Though telling his mother he 'needs help' is probably preferable to telling her her son is a psycho I suppose.

Think I'd just block her though. She knows what he is, she raised him.

Milliepossum · 25/11/2020 16:28

OP I think you mentioned his mother has mental health issues. Please stay no contact with all of them and keep in touch with the police.

notacooldad · 25/11/2020 16:41

I am so glad you have followed your instincts and also took on board what people are saying.
What he is doing would only increase and escalate.

notacooldad · 25/11/2020 16:47

I hadn't read all the thread when I posted.
Clearly things did increase and escalate.
I'm so sorry you are in this position OP.
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sonjadog · 25/11/2020 16:54

I don´t know how long he will keep on but I wouldn´t be giving him any chances or being kind. Phone the police and ask them what they recommend. Keep phoning the police every time it reoccurs.

WindblowingSW · 25/11/2020 16:58

Report to the police, do not minimise his behaviour -state clearly to the police that you feel threatened, harassed and intimidated and are living in fear.

Ask the police for a non-molestation order -NOW.

In my experience some police officers will brush it off and others not -escalate it -ask to speak to the duty sergeant etc.

billy1966 · 25/11/2020 17:29

OP,
Please involve the police and escalate to duty sergeant as @WindblowingSW wisely suggests.

Ask your family to block.
Block his mother.

This is not about you.
This is about him.

Neither trust nor entertain him.
He is one of those awful men whose ego can't be bruised.

Be so proud of yourself.
You saw who he was and your left.

He needs dealing with firmly.
Flowers

JoistLooking · 25/11/2020 18:06

Never reply either to him or his mother and report it to the police. If he turns up - phone the police, if he continues to harras you call the police. My daughter had something similar with an ex. He was taken away by the police from her doorstep and kept in the cells overnight - he was very drunk - and questioned by police on 3 other occasions for harassing messages. The messages weren't threatening but abusive - name calling and accusing her of things she hadn't done. Eventually he got the message that every time he did it she reported it. Once, after a barrage of messages, he sent a final message, you are going to report this aren't you. She didn't reply and - reported it.

Good Luck. Stay strong and he will give up. Flowers

strangewhenastranger · 25/11/2020 19:38

OP how long it is going to last depends a bit on what he is accusing you of.

You said he had accused you of things which were not true which no one would believe so not just to do with the relationship.

Is he accusing you of stealing something or stalking him or not letting him move on or defamation or wrecking his flat or something along those lines?

How much contact has there been between you and him, or between you and his friends or family since June?

How did he find out about your recently started relationship?

How many mutual friends and acquaintances do you have?

Fefifofaff · 25/11/2020 20:20

The sooner you stop being nice and thinking he'll behave rationally, and report every and all contact to the police, the sooner it will be over. It is imperative for them to build a record and see a pattern. Particularly if he is escalating frequency and level of threat.

PumpkinCheater · 26/11/2020 17:25

He has abused and threatened you and the police have told him to leave you alone.

How dare he think he has the right to keep on harrassing you through family members?

Please report all of this to the police. Block his mother and ask your cousin to block him.

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