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He needs to “win”. Is this gaslighting or just being a d*ck?

365 replies

Melandri · 17/06/2020 21:35

Has anyone dealt with a really argumentative partner who doesn’t see themselves that way?

My partner picks at anything until he finds a disagreement or a reason to fall out.

Recently he told me he doesn’t like the way I need to go for a walk when I’m frustrated or upset, especially if it’s fairly late, and would I mind not doing it because he worries.

I said fair enough but I do like a bit of space to clear my head but I won’t go out at night if he’ll worry (it doesn’t happen often btw, maybe twice in the last few months.)

I thought that was the end of the conversation but no.

He then said “if you did still want to go for a walk, would you tell me?” To which I replied “of course, I’m always honest with you and there’d be no reason not to tell you”

He then said:
“Are you calling me a bullshitter?”

I was so surprised at the direction that this took but said “no, of course not”.

He’s now saying that because I said I’m honest, I’ve indirectly said that he’s not.
It’s been over 24 hours now and he’s still really worked up over it even though I’ve told him I dong feel that way and don’t think that and definitely didn’t imply it or didn’t mean to.

Anyway, after lots of shouting and arguing from him, and me staying calm and telling him that I don’t think he’s a bullshitter he’s summed it up saying that the issue is that I don’t understand.

I said “I do” and he replied saying “no you don’t”.

I’ve asked him what I can do to help us move on and he said his lost where he is with everything but he won’t back down because that will mean I’ve won. I don’t see it as winning or losing I just think there’s been a bit of confusion and rather than letting it go he’s clinging to it.

I don’t know why he’s like this. Can anyone help?

[Note from MNHQ - 22/11/2020: please note there is a recent update from the OP].

OP posts:
RandomMess · 22/11/2020 19:40

Yep press charges, apply for a non-molestation order, use Clare's Law to see if he has record of doing this before...

Tistheseason17 · 22/11/2020 19:58

Def police. I had to do this. Ex snapped the UPVC door handle off in rage - they're metal inside. Only police put him off.
Netatmo preense really good as does not look like video.

Bunnymumy · 22/11/2020 20:25

Take that last text right to the police.

Showing these sorts you wont be slow to report them is usually the best move.

Poppinjay · 22/11/2020 20:37

Please call the police and arrange to show them all of his messages. Tel them that you don't feel safe.

Each force has a unit specially trained to deal with cases of domestic abuse. Ask to be referred to them.

Don't engage with him in any way. Give him nothing in terms of a response and make sure nobody else in your life engages with him either.

The police can give you a panic button. Ask them if you meet the criteria for one and how to get some sort of restraining order.

This is not your fault and it isn't normal. This isn't him loving you. It's him seeing you as a posession. Please don't underestimate how dangerous he could be.

Keep a note of everything that happens, including times and any witnesses.

Do you have someone who can come and stay with you for a few days?

Supereager · 22/11/2020 20:42

Send copies of the messages to family so they know the score and contact the police. Messsge him back “do not contact me again or I’ll call the police and have you prosecuted”

Zuzu5 · 22/11/2020 20:43

DO NOT contact him. Ignore and block but save all his vile messages as evidence.

Contact police straight away

Set up CCTV and ensure doors are always locked etc.

Stay safe!!! Be careful when you go out especially if alone

Belladonna123 · 22/11/2020 20:45

I'm just going to say.... Get him to fuck

Take care of you

HighNetGirth · 22/11/2020 21:01

He may or may not escalate. No way to tell. What you must do is be completely obdurate: no contact, no tolerance for his behaviour, no emotional reactions. He wants a drama, you make sure it's a one man show. That is the best way to deal with people like this.

Melandri · 22/11/2020 22:24

Thank you all so much, I already feel stronger knowing that I’ve got your support behind me.

I’m staying with a friend tonight, I’ve ordered a Ring security camera and will contact the police in the morning.

Thank you all, it really does mean the world x

OP posts:
Cavagirl · 22/11/2020 22:32

Oh my goodness RTFT and utterly shocked this has escalated to this point. Thank bloody God you got rid when you did.
OP you've had some excellent advice of course. Whatever you do, do not let "politeness" or the assumption that he's a normal person in need of help/reassurance allow you to minimise this, through fear of making a fuss, not wanting to make a big deal out of things etc.
He is a dangerous, dangerous man. Take this extremely extremely seriously as he may well be capable of things you would never imagine he is.
Sounds like you are doing the right things going to the police and staying with a friend.
What an absolute fucking shithead.
FlowersFlowersFlowers

2020wish · 23/11/2020 05:40

@Melandri omg that update is so scary. This is a narcissist through and through. They can be very dangerous when they don’t win their pry or are not in control and you done the correct thing taking away his control and leaving as soon as he first kicked out over that walking incident. Can I ask how he reacted when he got home that night and realised all ur stuff was gone and the key posted through the door?

Other than that I’ve been in ur shoes... log everything with the police. Ring doorbell, let family know what’s happening, file for a restraining order due to his threats. I’m engaged now and my narc ex is in a new relationship and it’s been nearly 4 years and he still pops up every now and again trying to contact me as I left quite abruptly like urself... it’s just who they are. But I moved home so he can’t ever find me to just show up. I hope ur ok x

mumwhatnothing · 23/11/2020 06:16

Thinking of you OP . It must be worrying and I can see from your messages that you are scared. We are all here for you and so many others have given amazing advice that I can add nothing to except to let you know you are not alone.

sendinglovetoyou · 23/11/2020 09:18

It's all down hill from here OP

strangewhenastranger · 23/11/2020 09:39

If you have genuinely had no contact at all with him since you cleared out your stuff, then I'd be very worried about his behaviour. Don't just log it with the police go and see if you can get some advice about what to do and about stalking.

If you have had contact then what exactly has happened, what is he accusing you of?

Melandri · 23/11/2020 15:27

Thanks everyone. I’ve taken proactive steps:

  • Bought a security cam from Ring
  • Exchanged numbers with a few of my neighbours as a safety measure
  • Told the people in my life that he threatened to go and see
  • Installed a chain lock on my door - it’s wooden so fairly safe but extra security can’t hurt
  • Staying with a friend for the next week

He was spouting lots of lies and to be honest I’m not sure what he could possibly say about me. I’m a nice person but he said he’s going to tell everyone I’m a bitch and will do what he needs to.

At this point I feel much better. I feel more in control now people know they may be approached and I won’t return home until the extra security is installed.

I am worried about being home alone but as long as there’s a locked door between us I just have to remind myself there’s nothing he can do.

Deep down I am scared but I’m trying not to be and hopefully every day that passes will be one where the anxiety lessens.

Thank you all - the support has made me feel like I can do this xx

OP posts:
billy1966 · 23/11/2020 15:41

OP,
All good measures but what about the police?

You are having to leave your home for a week to install security.
If that isn't a police matter, I don't know what is.
The police need to know that you have a genuine fear.
Please call them and have your home and number flagged.
He has threatened to interfere with your life.

Flowers
Cavagirl · 23/11/2020 15:53

Who called the police when he turned up banging the door down OP?

AllThatGlistensIs · 23/11/2020 16:02

Agreed. Great that you’ve implemented those measures and told your friends/ family, but the biggest step has to be keeping the police informed.

BefuddledPerson · 23/11/2020 16:05

Another one saying go back to the police as he has made a threat.

Melandri · 23/11/2020 16:05

@Cavagirl I contacted them when he came round, it took them over an hour to turn up but they were great once they arrived. He was extremely confrontational with them too and I did notice they were wearing body cams which is helpful.
They put him in the van and spoke to him separately but they told me they’d advised him to delete and block me so he doesn’t get tempted to contact me.
I will continue to speak to the police and hopefully it will stop him. I am scared it will make things worse but equally I know it’s in my best interests to keep communicating with them and to let them know what is happening.

I’m just so shocked. I’m a nice person, a bit soft sometimes, I don’t break the law or do anything to bring about unnecessary drama. I just do my 9-5, have a small circle of lovely friends, a supportive family and quite a simple life in that respect. I keep thinking I don’t know what I’ve done to deserve this but I know it’s not my fault, it’s just the way these abusive men are.

It’s sad to know how many women can relate.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 23/11/2020 16:25

OP,
This is not about you, this could be any woman unfortunately.

You haven't done anything to cause this.

This is all about him, his behaviour, his decisions.

The police can only do their job if they are informed clearly that after they came to your home he has made further threats.

Please try and forget about why me and more why not me?

This sort of thing happens to all types of women.

You wisely finished with him because you could see that he was a deeply disturbed man.

You now have further proof.
YOU did the right thing.

Continue to do so.

Protect yourself.

Give the police the additional information and tell them that you are having to leave your home until all security measures are in place.

Do you know where he works?
I think it would be great if they could call to his place of work.

He's a nasty threatening man.

Nothing quicker to give his type pause is the police all over them.

Flowers
strangewhenastranger · 23/11/2020 17:15

OP are you saying that you got your stuff from his flat in June and he has literally turned up now out of blue after five months, after zero contact between either of you?

What lies was he going to tell people, what did he accuse you of? What did he say to the police?

Cavagirl · 23/11/2020 17:59

Ok so you called the police who took him away, and who told him to stop messaging you and contacting you?
And subsequently he's still sending you more threats and messages? If that's the case them you definitely need to involve them again, and keep going back to them and reporting it for as long as he continues harassing you.
It will absolutely not make things worse. It's the only thing that will stop it.

Melandri · 23/11/2020 18:07

He turned up ranting and raving saying I’m a bitch, and that I’m going to break people’s hearts. It was ok for me that I got to walk away and be happy but he’s unhappy in his job and his life and doesn’t have anyone.

Honestly I don’t really understand it.

He said he’ll tell everyone that I’m a bitch and make sure they see what kind of person I am. I don’t know what he means or what he could possibly do, my friends and family wouldn’t believe him and the only bad thing I’ve done is not want to be with him so it would be fruitless.

I think it’s more about intimidation and control and I’m hoping hoping he’ll give up soon.

OP posts:
7catsisnotenough · 23/11/2020 18:14

@Melandri

999 NOW

Do not open the door, do not engage, stay on the phone until the police arrive x