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He needs to “win”. Is this gaslighting or just being a d*ck?

365 replies

Melandri · 17/06/2020 21:35

Has anyone dealt with a really argumentative partner who doesn’t see themselves that way?

My partner picks at anything until he finds a disagreement or a reason to fall out.

Recently he told me he doesn’t like the way I need to go for a walk when I’m frustrated or upset, especially if it’s fairly late, and would I mind not doing it because he worries.

I said fair enough but I do like a bit of space to clear my head but I won’t go out at night if he’ll worry (it doesn’t happen often btw, maybe twice in the last few months.)

I thought that was the end of the conversation but no.

He then said “if you did still want to go for a walk, would you tell me?” To which I replied “of course, I’m always honest with you and there’d be no reason not to tell you”

He then said:
“Are you calling me a bullshitter?”

I was so surprised at the direction that this took but said “no, of course not”.

He’s now saying that because I said I’m honest, I’ve indirectly said that he’s not.
It’s been over 24 hours now and he’s still really worked up over it even though I’ve told him I dong feel that way and don’t think that and definitely didn’t imply it or didn’t mean to.

Anyway, after lots of shouting and arguing from him, and me staying calm and telling him that I don’t think he’s a bullshitter he’s summed it up saying that the issue is that I don’t understand.

I said “I do” and he replied saying “no you don’t”.

I’ve asked him what I can do to help us move on and he said his lost where he is with everything but he won’t back down because that will mean I’ve won. I don’t see it as winning or losing I just think there’s been a bit of confusion and rather than letting it go he’s clinging to it.

I don’t know why he’s like this. Can anyone help?

[Note from MNHQ - 22/11/2020: please note there is a recent update from the OP].

OP posts:
FizzyGreenWater · 19/06/2020 15:16

If you want to get rid with minimal stress, I wouldn't just block him.

I would send a very 'nice' message along the following lines:

'Dear X, I have come to the conclusion that the relationship is clearly not working for either of us. I've changed my mind about coming over tonight and have picked up my stuff from yours and posted the key back. I don't think any further discussion would be positive for either of us plus everything we think has really already been said. I wish you all the best but don't wish to keep in touch from here on. OP'

Don't block after that - you need to, firstly, see his replies so that you know if he plans to turn up on your doorstep - you then get the opportunity to be MUCH firmer and tell him that you won't let him in and please stop harassing or it's police. Better than a shouting man hammering at the door. Secondly, that also lets him 'reply' and get his final say in, he'll know you've received the messages, you then get to do a final kiss-off in whatever manner suits.

Both things designed so that you're not left there thinking hell, is he gonig to show up and also it doesn't give him the excuse of 'You blocked me, I needed to talk to you/was worried/ you need to hear me out' which might give him an 'excuse' to basically stalk or come to your home.

Leave him unblocked, let him rant a bit, then firm rebuff - 'Now leave me alone'.

Personally I feel that's better as you are more in control if you know how he's reacting.

ButteryPuffin · 19/06/2020 15:23

I think that's a good suggestion from Fizzy.

Bunnymumy · 19/06/2020 15:28

I kinda see where pp is coming from but I think one way or another I would block him by the end of the night. If he does turn up, so what, just dont answer the door and he'll soon take the hint.

You dont want to get stuck in a back and forth of texts where you might lose your resolve. Allowing him to reply once to your initial 'polite allow him to save face kinda text' might be ok as again it will allow him to feel like he has had some say. But it is risky.

You could allow that reply, then block him without response. Then he can convince himself he has had the last word.

But only if you can trust yourself not to be goaded into a text war.

You know him and yourself better than we do op. Only do what you can cope with. It's perfectly fine to just block. May work out better/just as well anyway.

FizzyGreenWater · 19/06/2020 15:35

No I agree on no back and fro texts. Let him rant a bit, then ‘I’ve said everything I’m going to. Please don’t contact me again’ is all it should take. DEFINITELY no engaging, in any sense.

Starlightstarbright1 · 19/06/2020 15:48

Hope you had a good walk..

I would send one last text we are through.. Do not contact me again then block..

Otherwise you are going to be readint the changable moods to try get his own way..

ZacklySo · 19/06/2020 16:09

Excellent Op, well done! I wish I had been smart enough and brave enough at eight months. Onward and upward from here, have a pamper yourself week and do things you love doing. You deserve it!WineCakeFlowers

NoMoreDickheads · 19/06/2020 17:27

I don't think you need to keep unblocked in case he says he's going to come round.

You could say 'Do not contact me again. If you come round I will call the police.' That covers all eventualities. Then block.

If he comes round just don't answer the door.

Aerial2020 · 19/06/2020 17:41

Don't send a final text. If he is like the way he is, he doesn't give a shit what you write and will do what he wants anyway.

You owe him nothing . Block. And if he turns up, call the police.
Don't be nice, don't engage, don't respond. Do nothing but report if need be.

Aerial2020 · 19/06/2020 17:42

You don't need to let him final rant. You don't need to listen or be subjected to that. He doesn't get to do that.

Aerial2020 · 19/06/2020 17:45

Also, you don't need to read his final replies. Or be 'much firmer', he will see that as playing the game. A challenge.
Believe me, I have been through it.
If he's gonna turn up, he is gonna turn up whatever.
Take back the power. Ignore. And call police if need be.

TorkTorkBam · 19/06/2020 17:48

I would send a final break up text in response to his last text. Make it short. Make it about you. Make it decisive and final (useful if you do have to involve the police later).

"Yes, I have decided that I do not want to be in a relationship with you any longer. I picked up my things earlier and posted your key back through the letterbox. I won't be in contact again. Good luck for the future."

If you want more evidence you were right, then leave him unblocked to witness the wave of selfish crazy.

If you know you did the right thing then block him immediately.

No matter what happens do not speak to him, do not respond to him ever again.

RandomMess · 19/06/2020 18:01

Well done!

"I'm gonna wash walk that man right out of my hair head"

Agree dump text sent then block.

Honeyroar · 19/06/2020 18:07

I think if you get any patronising rants from him just say “this a very good example of why it’s not working for me. Enough now.”

Well done for getting your stuff safely out. But yourself a bottle of fizz and toast your future with someone who treats you better.

vikingwife · 19/06/2020 18:10

@honeyroar ooh that’s good am kicking that one Grin

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 19/06/2020 19:03

Cute boots

Aerial2020 · 19/06/2020 19:07

No no no. He would see that as fuel.
Fuel to carry on.
Please don't do that

user1481840227 · 19/06/2020 19:49

It is gaslighting.

Twisting your words, trying to say that you meant something else, trying to tell you that you don't understand, doing that repeatedly makes you search your words for ways it might have been misinterpreted, watch what you say in case you say the wrong thing, doubt yourself because no matter what you say he can't understand or he tells you you meant something else!

The more that someone does that the more that you doubt yourself...when you get in a habit of having to explain simple things you said or having to explain yourself trying to be understood it can cause a lot of issues..even in future relationships or other situations, not necessarily romantic relationships!!

It's very confusing at the start, but the more it happens and the longer it goes on for it can be so so damaging!

I'm glad you recognised this early on!

pennee · 19/06/2020 20:30

@Melandri well done and hope you enjoyed your walk. Hope you’ll come back just to say your ok and had a good day as I’m concerned he may try and come to see you tonight. Finger crossed he stays away

Lunde · 19/06/2020 20:57

Hope you have been able to walk in peace and clear your head of him and hope he is leaving you alone tonight Flowers

TheLoveOfMoney · 20/06/2020 15:13

How are you OP? Been thinking of you Flowers

Honeyroar · 20/06/2020 21:38

Yes, hope you’re ok.

FizzyGreenWater · 20/06/2020 22:01

Hope all is ok OP.

WellThisIsShit · 22/06/2020 05:02

Hope you’re doing ok OP Flowers

NinkiNonkiNikau · 22/06/2020 06:40

Stay strong op

willsa · 23/06/2020 23:39

@Melandri

Your situation still plays on my mind because it is so uncannily similar to my recent past. Hearing about someone's struggle with the same type of man, validates my feelings and experience. Like I could run around waving some sort of printout, screaming : You see? You see? These bastards DO exist! I didn't make it up. It wasn't all in my head/my blame.

So thank you for posting. You definitely helped me. And yourself. You might not see it that way at the moment. You might be back there. The evil you know does sometimes seem better than... Nothing. Nothing isn't nothingness though, empty place is a place for all opportunities.

As it happens again and again, and again - you will find your inner strength. To the point where there will be no tears, no sadness. Just resentment, anger, derision and even pity, lots of it, for that pathetic loser of a man, whose only way to feel bigger and better is to assault someone else's weak spots.

It took me 5 attempts. He was getting worse each time, sinking to new lows.
But it wasn't a waste. Each time I was finding anger of new magnitude. Until there was no way back.
He still tries! Within the boundaries of his ego. But I'm completely immune now.
I laugh at him.

Please don't hesitate to come back here when you need to vent. This nest of vipers will double your anger and double your strength. Flowers