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He needs to “win”. Is this gaslighting or just being a d*ck?

365 replies

Melandri · 17/06/2020 21:35

Has anyone dealt with a really argumentative partner who doesn’t see themselves that way?

My partner picks at anything until he finds a disagreement or a reason to fall out.

Recently he told me he doesn’t like the way I need to go for a walk when I’m frustrated or upset, especially if it’s fairly late, and would I mind not doing it because he worries.

I said fair enough but I do like a bit of space to clear my head but I won’t go out at night if he’ll worry (it doesn’t happen often btw, maybe twice in the last few months.)

I thought that was the end of the conversation but no.

He then said “if you did still want to go for a walk, would you tell me?” To which I replied “of course, I’m always honest with you and there’d be no reason not to tell you”

He then said:
“Are you calling me a bullshitter?”

I was so surprised at the direction that this took but said “no, of course not”.

He’s now saying that because I said I’m honest, I’ve indirectly said that he’s not.
It’s been over 24 hours now and he’s still really worked up over it even though I’ve told him I dong feel that way and don’t think that and definitely didn’t imply it or didn’t mean to.

Anyway, after lots of shouting and arguing from him, and me staying calm and telling him that I don’t think he’s a bullshitter he’s summed it up saying that the issue is that I don’t understand.

I said “I do” and he replied saying “no you don’t”.

I’ve asked him what I can do to help us move on and he said his lost where he is with everything but he won’t back down because that will mean I’ve won. I don’t see it as winning or losing I just think there’s been a bit of confusion and rather than letting it go he’s clinging to it.

I don’t know why he’s like this. Can anyone help?

[Note from MNHQ - 22/11/2020: please note there is a recent update from the OP].

OP posts:
WildfirePonie · 19/06/2020 12:50

Well done OP! Enjoy your walk Smile

ButteryPuffin · 19/06/2020 12:52

Enjoy the walk! Hope you have someone you can talk to later when the outraged messages and calls start coming (they will).

Gingernaut · 19/06/2020 12:53

Fabulous!

Now block him on every channel you can think of.

Change your locks and passwords if you think you have to.

Don't let him wheedle in and plant any doubts.

He's a psycho and you're well rid.

Well done and good luck with the rest of your life!

You deserve the best.

TheLoveOfMoney · 19/06/2020 13:10

Well done! Enjoy the relief and day at a time. Does he have a key to yours? If yes please change your locks if you can, I'm sure you'll flatmate would understand.

BendyLikeBeckham · 19/06/2020 13:12

Well done OP, you should be so proud of yourself.

Wobbles will happen. Ride them out and they will pass. Promise.

billy1966 · 19/06/2020 13:17

So glad you are back and got your bits.

Make sure your doors are locked in case he calls to you.

Don't hesitate to call the police if he comes near you.

Also don't spare his feelings with friends.

Be frank "delighted it's finished and just want to move on now".

Flowers
sonjadog · 19/06/2020 13:21

Well done!

SnowdropFox · 19/06/2020 13:24

Well done! Enjoy the walk, block him and let those hills clear him from your head.

hellsbellsmelons · 19/06/2020 13:27

Phew OP. Hope you enjoy your walk.
Clear your head if you can.
Then block.
Unfortunately, I had one like this a couple of years ago.
He turned up at my house twice and a wrote me 2 very long rambling letters and sent via post!
So be prepared for that.
I'd got the serious 'ick' by then so there was no going back.

Makegoodchoices · 19/06/2020 13:36

Glad to hear you got your stuff back.
Does he have a key to yours and do you have any of his stuff?

LemonFanta123 · 19/06/2020 13:45

So glad you got your stuff back! Enjoy your walk 😊

NoMoreDickheads · 19/06/2020 13:56

Yay, well done OP! Now block on everything immediately, including phone etc. Have a nice relaxing afternoon walking and chilling out without the stress of that creep.

BurtsBeesKnees · 19/06/2020 13:59

Well done op. Enjoy your walk Thanks

Catmaiden · 19/06/2020 14:05

Well done

TwentyViginti · 19/06/2020 14:14

I don't think OP should block just yet. He may want to come to her home this evening, and she needs to be aware. It would be interesting to know his intitial reaction. Anger? Regret? Is he likely to know immediately that your stuff is gone, Melandri?

maras2 · 19/06/2020 14:16
Flowers Wine Cake] Mx.
ChaoticMinds · 19/06/2020 14:25

Are you the blm poster too? He was making the protests all about him, the downtrodden white working class man? Sorry if I've got you confused with someone else but he sounded awful then and this confirms it! Good riddance!

ProfessorPootle · 19/06/2020 14:25

So glad you got your stuff back. I had one of these types at uni, started off so well, then he showed his true controlling nature with lots of bizarre never-ending arguments where I was always in the wrong. I note he said that you see things from your point of view and not his, this is what my one used to say. Apparently I should be able to see everything from his point of view, as if only his mattered, he never tried to understand my point of view.

I’d recommend blocking, my one wouldn’t quit after I broke up with him, descended into stalking, suicide threats and an eventual mental health crisis (for him) luckily his parents took him home after that, 300miles away. In these cases it’s definitely him, not you. Good luck x x

Bunnymumy · 19/06/2020 14:33

I think blocking now is fine.

IF he shows up at your door just dont answer but I don't think his ego would let him do that anyway. More likely you will get some rambelling 'me me me' letters posted through in a few days. Or mutual mates 'checking up' on you because he has told them you aren't in your right mind.

A 'well now you can be 100% sure because we are over, do not contact me again' message might be useful before blocking (as would screenshotting all his crazy messages). That way you have proof of asking him to stay away if he starts to go down a harassment route.

MzHz · 19/06/2020 14:38

@Melandri

You’re exactly right and I also need to remind myself that I’m posting on here about a guy after 8 months! That really shouldn’t be happening but thank goodness you are all here Flowers
This is the thing you repeat to yourself over and over

8 months!

Of course you had a cry, it’s disappointing that he’s turned out like this, but better you know now, trust me.

Enjoy your walk lovely!

“These Boots were made for walking....”

LouHotel · 19/06/2020 14:38

Well done, truly believe that walking or running as a hobby is one of the best things you can do to stay mentally positive.

Bunnymumy · 19/06/2020 14:43

Though something like 'i posted your key through your letterbox, this clearly isnt working for either of us so I'll do us both a favour. I wish you all the best but ask respectfully that you do not contact me further' might be wise as then he might be able to convince himself that he had a say in the break up. Sometimes that works better.

I wouldn't mention or reply to any message regarding taking your stuff when he wasnt in btw. He will likely act afrronted that you did this and may try to use it against you further down the line.

You've done great today though op! :) :)

Quarantino · 19/06/2020 14:55

Oh God, he is the All Lives Matter guy! Well rid, op...

InfiniteGerbils · 19/06/2020 14:56

Well done.

Now get ready for him to turn the heat right up as you will need to KNOW how much you’ve hurt HIS feelings and how HE KNEW you had one foot out the door and how HE TRIED but you’re just so unreasonable and blaaahhh blaaahhhhh blahhhh.

He may also lead you to believe he might top himself, switch your ears, brain and emotions off at that very moment if he does.

Again OP, well done. I wish to fucking god I’d had your insight 8 months into a past relationship.

TwentyViginti · 19/06/2020 14:56

Good point, Bunny. If he gets to feel it was partly his decision it may make it seem he had some control, which will appease him and make it more unlikely he'll turn up on OP's doorstep.