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Thoughts on men that like younger women

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namechangeagain12 · 28/05/2020 23:42

So I seem to come across a lot of blokes late 20's early 30's who like younger girls, between 19-21. I know we are only talking around 10 years age gap here but I think it's disgusting...

I remember when I was 19 at uni and my flat mate's 29 year old friend was trying to sleep with me - I thought he was weird as hell! I was never a immature 19 year old but still, 19 to me is still VERY young.

Is this totally normal? Am I being unreasonable here for judging a bloke for constantly liking younger girls photos? I appreciate these girls look late 20's but for some reason it freaks me out and puts me right off them.

Not sure what I'm asking here, just after a gentle discussion

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Cakecup1 · 01/06/2020 06:11

Well we are certainly in agreement about Leonardo and men like him . Once again, I most certainly don’t believe all age gap relationships to be inherently bad or that or older men dating younger women are abusive
Ultimately what we are are talking about is apples and oranges really . You’re referring to a partnership with a man who treats you well who just happens to be older , and I have no issue acknowledging that . I on the other hand am referring to me. Who routinely disregard women their own age because they feel somehow they are less worthy simply because they are unable to consider women as a whole to be worth anything more than a woman and a young body . The difference in how women . Are treated as they age is very, real. As a young woman I’d be concerned about dating an older man who didn’t find women his own age attractive. It’s one thing to meet and fall in love with someone and an age gap to exist and quite another to hold an entire gender to some standard of youth.
We are really comparing two different situations.

catsandlavender · 01/06/2020 07:11

The likes of Leonardo de Caprio etc to me are the 'creepy' type of older men. They serially date younger women, dump them after a few years to move on to an even younger counterpart. This isnt a good example of a healthy relationship and I entirely disapprove. There is no respect.

This is so true.

NoHardSell · 01/06/2020 07:16

Oh I think we are all in agreement about his type. His type is exactly the type that sleazes all over young women. Such a shame, as he is still very good looking, but a sleaze is a sleaze. Shudder. Brings back my teens/twenties.

Trevsadick · 01/06/2020 08:24

I dont think you are subservient.

I do think, as I said before, you aren't as mature as you think you are. That creates a power imblalance. That doesnt mean there is abuse. But its daft to pretend it doesn't happen.

Many men, for example, who are high earners have potential to be financially abusive. Many men who are not higher earners have that potential too potential too. Being the higher earner doesn't equal financial abuse. Just like an age gap doesnt automatically equal abuse either. Which people have said over and over.

I think most of us go through a stage where we think partriachy doesn't really exist. Or at least its doesnt impact me.That the way society is set up, doesn't impact choices we make. Doesnt impact subconscious choices. But having lived more years, you start to recognise it.

Especially if you have a daughter and see the daughter grow up, watching as an adult. You see things you didn't, when you were seeing similar situations as a child.

Being aware of it actually makes you more confident, not scared or hysterical. It makes you more aware of how to deal with situations, subtext, understanding people. I have a girl and and boy. My son growing up showed me another point of view. Such as him coming home from school asking why x at school said girls shouldn't do y hobby.

Realising that actually, despite me bringing him up that boys and girls can both do what they want, outside (society) will impact his view, regarding gender sterotypes in a very strong and real way and I needed to step it up.

I dont think anyone has said your particular dp is abusive or creepy.

If a university is running a campaign on something, its suggests there is an issue. And there is an issue in the work place. Its not uncommon to get young attractive staff in, who are either sexually harrased or get into a relationship with a much older, more senior man.

Taking out the secure harassment situations (though even when its secual harrarsment the following often happens) guess what? it rarely impacts the man's reputation at work. But it does impact the womans. The reason these men pursue the new attractive, often young woman, who is below him on an org chart is because of the power over her. And because he wants to be the one telling his work mates he shagged her.

The power of his position and experience in the work place and his seniority are all there for him to hold over her. In 18 years working in in various offices I have seen it happen about 30 times. I would say at least half of these have involved horrific cohersive control. By holding the womans job, career and financial security over her.

Its a problem because it impacts womens careers. This happens because of the way society is set up. Not because the men really like the quality of her eggs.

And honestly, even if the 2 people would have a very happy relationship, these relationships are rarely a good idea. Because again, the womans career will start with 'she shagged her way to a promotion'. Any achievements will be down to who she is with. The ideal would be one of them to seek employment elsewhere, before have an official public relationship.

The problem is that you look at your situation and assume women don't like it because we want that man to find us attractive. We don't. The confidence to shut down attention, makes my life better.

If I see an attractive man walking down the street with a woman who is very obviously bame, i dont try and apportion blame to him. Or feel life is unfair because he is attracted to that Bame woman. I technically bame, but most people assume I am white but of Italian or Spanish decent.

A man being with a woman who is clearly bame isn't an issue for me. Theres no 'it should have been me' or 'how dare he'.

We disagree on points. You seem to taking my opinion as something that is personally attacking you and your relationship.

Its not. Your relarionshop may well be happy and healthy and that's great. That doesnt mean I would be concerned if my 25 year old best friend met a man of 40. Over time my opinion of their relationship may change by observing it. But yes I would be concerned. If you qre so confident in your relationship, I am not sure why it bothers you.

Theres lot of people who don't like my relationship with dp. But, thats not my problem. I am happy with it. Thats it. My very religious family werent happy about the divorce, werent happy about me dating before I was divorced. I didn't give one fuck. I am happy and I am sure of the situation. Thats all I need.

MsTSwift · 01/06/2020 08:34

Love the idea that I am obsessed with a random on the internet 😁 I have such peri menopause brain I barely clock anyone’s username can barely remember my own!

MsTSwift · 01/06/2020 08:35

And it’s more than possible I repeat myself😁

Wolfgirrl · 01/06/2020 08:41

Trevsadick your entire post pointed to problems with attitudes towards these relationships, not the relationships themselves.

You are describing a very narrow and specific issue which really is a workplace problem. It could also apply to staff the same age where one is very senior. It can also be the case that women/men can receive promotion because of their relationship with a more senior colleague, and that isnt fair either is it?

The answer is a framework in workplaces which prevents unfair influence whether that be nepotism or romantic relationships.

Wolfgirrl · 01/06/2020 08:42

Morning Ms T! Happy to have you back!

I still have baby brain a year on so I feel you on that one!

022828MAN · 01/06/2020 08:43

I wouldn't say 30 and 20 is too drastic, but I find men 40-50 that go for 20 year olds creepy.

Trevsadick · 01/06/2020 08:51

You are describing a very narrow and specific issue which really is a workplace problem. It could also apply to staff the same age where one is very senior. It can also be the case that women/men can receive promotion because of their relationship with a more senior colleague, and that isnt fair either is it?

Yes because I was addressing the very specific issue of you problem with universities addressing problems. Of course its specific.

No the problem is the attitude to women.

Wolfgirrl · 01/06/2020 08:58

No the problem is the attitude to women.

Why?

It is clearly a power abuse in the workplace issue.

I'm sure it happens to men as well.

RantyAnty · 01/06/2020 09:08

When you're young, you don't know what you don't know.
Life starts out like one black and one white cube, and the longer you live, the more shades and nuances are between those two cubes.
It happens to all of us. That's just the way life works.

WinterAndRoughWeather · 01/06/2020 09:30

I'm sure it happens to men as well.

Oh come on. This has to be trolling now.

This is why liberal feminism is a young person’s philosophy.

Cakecup1 · 01/06/2020 09:35

‘I’m sure it happens to men as well.‘

Lol , seriously , did you mention you have a daughter ? pleasaeeeeee go sign up for some classes in gender studies.
30 plus years in the workforce and never seen nor heard of this being an issue for men .

Wolfgirrl · 01/06/2020 09:44

I dont need gender studies. I have lived as a woman for the best part of 30 years. I have had multiple jobs and multiple relationships.

I think I am the one with nuanced views rather than just regarding everything as the product of misogyny.

Trevsadick · 01/06/2020 09:46

It is clearly a power abuse in the workplace issue.

I'm sure it happens to men as well.

I also think you are taking the piss.

Its a work place issue, that is born from society view of women....and men. Their worth, their value and what's acceptable behaviour.

It does actually happen to men. On a far tinier scale tha it does with women.

The differences are its still mainly men doing to them. Not women.

And because of society's views of women, it impacts women's career far more.

Cakecup1 · 01/06/2020 09:48

Ok if you think so .
It funny because as a 50yr old woman I am always considering how much I still have to learn about life . I look back at myself at your age and realise how limited my views were but I probably would have said the same . As do my daughters who are your age and their friends . I’m glad you have the world figured out , whilst women like myself who have raised five children , completed two degree with a heavy focus on psychology and gender are still learning 😂

Wolfgirrl · 01/06/2020 09:49

Can you please explain to me how a woman's worth is degraded over time, other than not receiving unwanted attention from creeps any more?

Btw - the thread I mentioned about sleazy men is doing a really good job of proving you get creeps and misogynist across all age groups (disappointing of course, but it proves it isnt exclusive to older men).

Wolfgirrl · 01/06/2020 09:51

Cakecup now you are taking advantage of a power imbalance by lauding your education over me! You couldn't make this up could you 😂😂

A man thinks he knows best as he is older and more educated = he is controlling and abusive

A woman thinks she knows best as she is older and more educated = she is wise and should be listened to

Cakecup1 · 01/06/2020 10:00

You do realise wolfgirl that you have not in fact lived your life as a woman for the best part of 30 years . You mentioned earlier being 30 in a couple of years so at best you’ve been a ‘woman’ for all of a decade . I’m curious to know what makes you so confident that you have all the answers and know all there is to know about gender and how womeN are treated when they get older when your relatively so early in the journey of womanhood . You havnt experienced life as an older woman so how can you speak to that experience , nor have you done any type of learning . Having a relationship with an older man hardly counts as education There are multiple women with far more experience who’s opinions you dismiss and disregard which you can of course choose to do but....If life experience is something you discount of dont give credit to why should we be listening to you and you whole ten years as a ‘woman’s ‘ worth?

Cakecup1 · 01/06/2020 10:02

No wolfgirl yoh o bio half missed the part where I pointed out that despite my life experiences I am STILL learning . That’s the key point here . Many many women here have a variety of life experiences and that doesn’t mean they are taking advantage of you . Please stop playing the victim again , no one is attacking you( I’m starting to feel like I have to keep repeating that to you) the fact is you simply dismiss people’s experiences and don’t value learning and I’m curious why

Trevsadick · 01/06/2020 10:02

No one said being creepy was exclusive to older men, why do you feel the need to make things up to prove your point?

Can you please explain to me how a woman's worth is degraded over time, other than not receiving unwanted attention from creeps any more?

Because people, like yourself, buy into sterotypes about older women. The spread them, rather than questioning the motivation.

You jump on the 'they are 35 and not as fertile....so the must be bitter, angry, hysterical, nasty, jealous, feel the world is unfair blah blah blah

Generally not worth listening to.

Cakecup1 · 01/06/2020 10:06

An attempt at a power Imbalance would have been like when you tried to threaten to get you bf to give his opinion and put all us old women straight . Just make sure we all know how unattractive we all are lol

Cakecup1 · 01/06/2020 10:08

Maybe I will take up knitting 😂😂😂

Wolfgirrl · 01/06/2020 10:11

I’m curious to know what makes you so confident that you have all the answers and know all there is to know about gender and how womeN are treated when they get older when your relatively so early in the journey of womanhood

I'm curious to know what makes you so confident that you have all the answers? You have only lived your life. Same as me. We will have had completely different experiences. Just because your life has been longer, it doesn't mean you have had all the experiences I have.

you tried to threaten to get you bf to give his opinion and put all us old women straight

Threatened 😂😂 gosh how frightening, I was going to ask him what he thought of this thread (you know, as it is about men like him) then didnt because nobody was interested. It is dramatisation like that that makes women look hysterical!

Yes @Trevsadick but how does this manifest itself into treatment of women?

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