If you're ok with porn....can you please not be

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So many people reply to messages on here about porn with"I'm ok with porn" can you please look at Rose Kalemba's fight to get her rape and torture removed from PornHub. This is what modern porn is. Stop being ok with it. And it's been going on for years because Traci Lords was underage back in the 70s/80s. Someone's right to masturbate shouldn't come before human trafficking and some people on here are part of the problem with their"porn is ok" stance. It's time to realise that unfortunately it's really not ok

I agree op, but unfortunately you won't get the best responses here. People have become desensitized since the internet and have become conditioned to enjoy it, which means they want to pretend it's ok. They seem to forget how recent the internet is and that imagination, images and actually being with and exploring another person has been used since time began. Those who argue porn stops rape and real life prostitution, unfortunately it does not. Those who watch a lot are more likely to treat women like dirt. It actually increases it. People are stupid op. 🤷‍♀️

Sometimes I just have to take a deep breath and avoid threads like this. I know that sounds awful, but there is so much other still I feel I am dealing with right now and thinking about this can be too hard. I know that sounds awful. I'm hoping one day with education and campaigning, it'll become like #metoo and everything else that is now so obviously shocking.

It scares me that younger people now watch violent sex as if it were normal, which didn't used to be the case. Again, people see something then become desensitized and start liking it. Makes me shudder.

Also I haven't spoken to anybody who watches it and actually knows a pornstar. Know enough people doing it to do your own research or read proper research and then say it's ok.

I'm so confused why pornhob doesn't deal with this. The fact so many people enjoy watching violence and children. I don't understand where these people come from. Do they not have normal parents? Do they not realise these are real people?
It terrifies me. And I have a baby boy. Ugh. The future for him doesn't always feel great tbh.

Porn is an industry which attracts damaged individuals because women become social pariahs for having sex with multiple men or getting money in exchange.
Interestingly, it's predominantly women who seem to do the judging in this case. I've never seen men campaigning for an end to porn (and all the livelihoods it entails).
Times are changing the, the stigma is lessening and more women than ever in the western world seem to be engaging in sex work. The vast majority are sitting in their room in front of a webcam and never physically interact with any of their "clients".

lust cinema is a good site for ethical films.

Quentin, thanks for correcting me. I agree with your reasoning and suggestion, but Teresa May tried this. Her obstacle was she had to blanket the internet in order to enforce it in contradiction of the Humans Right Act 1998, specifically our right to freedom of thought, expression and private life. I don't think many would want that repealed.

Instead she created the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 to facilitate this, which is law and allows the police to request Internet records for criminal activities. Sites like pornhub do remove proven illegal content as a result, but again, the HRA 1998 is the restriction to do more.

I'm feeling bold, so I'll risk the roasting.
I would expand education into advocating more involvement of women in the production (not performance) of porn, with licensing and a professional regulator such as Women's Aid. I solemnly believe that the existence of licensing requirements to publish sex work, overseen by an organisation like Women's Aid, would remove the wider issues. If implemented correctly, it would turn porn into an industry with the rules set by women selling services into a predominately male consumer base.

Vertz, I think you’ve missed that your private life is a qualified right. The government may regulate it. It’s doing that in this pandemic.

The issue you describe is being looked at in the other way. You don’t need to regulate porn. You already can by use of the criminal law.

The websites “we can’t consent to this” has been very influential in the UK. The law is going to change on “consensual violence” - it’s going to be a lot harder to claim this is true.

Pornhub is vile and anyone who uses it is complicit in child abuse, as far as I'm concerned.

And this the right way around; the issue of consent in sex is where not giving it is criminal. It will never be divorced from that concept, because otherwise it would give licence to an industry where the issue of consent is individual.

Instead she created the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 to facilitate this, which is law and allows the police to request Internet records for criminal activities. Sites like pornhub do remove proven illegal content as a result, but again, the HRA 1998 is the restriction to do more.
IPA is about regulating how law enforcement agencies access, store and retain data than with regulating ISPs and sites like Pornhub.

Those sites don't do enough to make sure the material they host isn't criminal and isn't a record of abuse of women. They need to be compelled to do that.

Oh, and it has been legally decided that you can't consent to being harmed (e.g. GBH or murder). If someone harms you, even if you begged for it, they are committing a crime.

This doesn't seem to be enforced when it comes to abuse of women, but it should be.

Noone should be arguing that violence against anyone is ok because they say they like it.

Totally agree on that Lex. I get the private life point, but I don't think anyone believes COVID-19 is good, so it is slightly different.

I go back to consensual legal porn isn't a problem, as the issue is the perpetrators. The McDonald's point is that banning that wouldn't eliminate obesity. We have to be accountable for our own actions and consequences, and that includes our choice of watching porn.

The new domestic abuse law emphasises perpetrators, not those accused of it. There is an innocent until proven guilty law, and I think it is more aimed at handling proven criminal abuse vs accusations of abuse. I stated elsewhere, around 66% of family law cases involve a woman accusing a man of abuse with around 5% of cases holding up under scrutiny. The reverse is true with men accusing women. Abuse as a word has become trivialised by its widespread usage, leaving the courts operating a loose spectrum of mild, moderate and major which wasn't intended to start with.

Pornhub makes its money from porn. It makes its money from violent porn, incest porn, 'fucking my 17yr old stepsister' porn

Why would it do anything about it? Its customers want violent porn, they dont want 'middle aged couple have loving, respectful sex on their bed' porn.

I personally I think any porn is harmful. Im not sure that ethical porn exists, I still think its selling womens (or mens) bodys as a commodity. Even if the sex is less violent and with a woman is it consensual? Its still potentially exploiting vunerable women. Just because it claims to be ethical doesnt make it so.

Whats sad is even on this thread there are posters acting like your boring, or a prude for not liking porn. As if they cant imagine a sex life that doesnt involve or revolve around porn, as if porn is exciting sex.

YABU I don’t watch porn overly often but I’m not going to stop watching it when I want to just because a video of abuse was on pornhub

What a ridiculous thread. Not every pornographic video is rape and torture. Ffs.

Gallacia - but a lot is and even those that aren't rape and torture have a detrimental effect both on those filmed and on society as a whole. We know porn is harmful. If you don't care, just say that rather than pretend it's not true.

The fact so many people enjoy watching violence

Exactly. Imagine saying it is quite ok to watch films of people being tortured because it is your sexual preference and you don't see why not. Why is it different because it's women?

@totallyyesno it’s disgusting comparing porn actresses to racial groups being systematically tortured. I don’t know what porn you’ve seen or whether you’ve even been on pornhub but the two are incomparable

Other women saying rape, incest, abuse, misogyny is ridiculous is all part of the problem

Actually in the old days you had pornography that did have such racialised elements. It was banned. It would not be now.

The issue of what is consensual in sex is going to be changed. There is merit in reversing the burden of proof for cases of “rough sex”. That is going to extend to porn and it’s consumers.

Some of us have seen this before. The answers are not new.

@totallyyesno you think every single piece of pornographic material is harmful?

@Gallacia but it doesnt matter if every video is. A significant amount are and you are
a) supplying demand for that industry
B) probably watching those videos
C)supporting websites that show that content

If you watch porn chances are at some point youve watched a video that was not fully consensual (so rape), that showed violent sex.

Youve also contributed to a demand for porn, which in turn will create more videos which show violence and rape against women.

You've given revenue to websites that show the above content, again more revenue more content. More people watching porn, learning from porn, normalising porn style sex

If you watch porn chances are at some point youve watched a video that was not fully consensual (so rape), that showed violent sex
How did you figure that one out?

@UncleFoster love you make those assumptions.

How*

@UncleFoster

The demand is already there if the videos exist. Noone is creating a demand by accidentally watching sex acts that they aren't into. If videos with "violent" sex really are the majority (and I suspect that isn't the case) that would mean the majority of people are into violent sex. You don't address that by just removing the product and even if you could, if so many people really were into it you'd probably fail at doing it.

And the whole thing about "normalising porn style sex" is a weird one. Sex is about the most private thing people do. You're never going to get an honest response about the type of sex people enjoy unless they're the most vanilla people in the world. I've done and thoroughly enjoyed plenty that regularly get touted as "extreme". I probably wouldn't spill the beans during an office convo though.

Abuse is a problem, but I wouldn't say content providers aren't doing anything about it.

They arent assumptions.

If you watch porn you support the porn industry. Thats just a fact

If a significant amount of porn is non consenual, which it is, chances are you will have watched a non consensual video. There are trafficked women in porn, you have no idea if the video you are watching involves trafficked women for example. Again the statement chances means just that, you may not have done but probably have.

The only way to ensure you arent watching trafficked women, non consensual sex is to not watch porn.