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Thread 2 ow/emotional affair/pregnant

324 replies

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 14:20

Hi @Bunnyfuller I'm a way I could almost forgive a physical affair more? If it has just been emotional (for the moment) then that just shows the pull she has on him.

I always wanted two children. So did my H at some point when he was happy. I know this new addition isn't going to fix anything. I think part of me just thought well maybe he's going along with it because he does want me. But I'm thinking now it's more because I went on and on about wanting another. Which explains that message I found saying to her that there are things going on that mean trouble for him.

Do I want to call her? Yes. Because I know if I tell her I'm pregnant it will hurt her and she will go. I'm stopping myself though because what I've learnt is I have forced my hand too much in this situation. He needs to make these steps not me. He obviously cares very much about losing her. It's almost like he's protecting her more

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Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 20:36

@deepwatersolo I'm starting to think so too

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Bunnyfuller · 06/05/2020 20:37

Even if he stands and deletes her number and any SM accounts connected to her, it will be meaningless. He’s lied in the past, is lying now and will continue to do so.

The super-connected world we live in unfortunately makes it too easy for cheats to keep cheating. And it.will.drive.you.mad.

He deletes everything in front of you after having bought a burner phone the day prior at Tesco and moved everything he needs over to that.

Once they’ve done this, there’s no going back.

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 20:37

@crispysausagerolls is there any part of you that thinks he wanted to commit deeper into our marriage by having this baby? I know it's a hard q for you to answer and tbh my gut is already telling me the answer

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Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 20:39

@Bunnyfuller that's a good idea about the new phone. What is really annoying me about this is that whilst I'm sat here getting amazing and helpful advice (thank you) that he could just go into his phone now, delete her number. Go onto twitter, delete her account. And he isn't

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Bunnyfuller · 06/05/2020 20:41

And even if he did....see my previous.

If he’s not even pretending to try to reassure you, you surely have all the answers you need.

BackseatCookers · 06/05/2020 20:49

do you think I don't want to start over and start my life again with you, because I do. My son is the only reason I'm still there

Oh OP this is heartbreaking.

You must leave him.

This is no life, this is no way to live.

You can ask a million people a million times if they think he wanted to stay / wants to stop talking to her / kept her number for a reason / has stopped talking to her etc etc

None of that changes the fact this relationship is unhealthy and unhappy.

It's over Thanks

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 20:52

Thanks @BackseatCookers o know you're right.

I know we aren't happy, clearly. My H has open doors to this ow and is probably pining. I know it's been said before but you're so right. He doesn't want to lose her.

I did just take him agreeing to this second baby as to committing further into our marriage

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DBML · 06/05/2020 21:12

Hi @Cupcakesaregood

Thank you for tagging me into your new thread. Sorry I haven’t been active, I’ve been working on the garden, but I’ve got myself up to date and I think you’ve had lots of good advice.

Going back to why he didn’t delete the number, my belief is that he simply doesn’t want to.

How you feel about him, is how he feels about her.

When we tell you that you should leave him, you can’t...you don’t want to. You wouldn’t delete his number would you? Think why not? And that’s exactly what he’s feeling/doing. I’m sorry.

He might pretend to delete her/ temporarily delete her... but he’s not going to really get rid of her, and I know you know this.

I don’t normally advocate contacting the OW. Usually I wouldn’t want to give them the satisfaction. But I did do this once, on behalf of my sister (I mentioned her earlier). I did this because she was stuck; she couldn’t move because she didn’t know the truth, she didn’t have the answers. He wasn’t going to be honest, so at her request I emailed the OW.

I basically wrote something along the lines of...

My name is K and I am Luke’s partner. We have a young child together and I’ve recently learned that he has been emailing you. I want to make it clear from the offset, that I do not blame you, but I am hoping that you can give me some answers?

Luke denies any physical relationship with you and tells me that you are just friends. I can see from his emails that this is not the truth.

I would be grateful if you could set me straight as to what your relationship is, so that I can make my decisions about staying in this relationship.

Thank you for your time and hope to hear from you soon.

The ow responded the same day. She was extremely apologetic. She explained that they had indeed met, kissed and slept together, on 5 occasions. She said he had told her that his relationship with my sister was over, or as good as. That he was waiting for ‘the right time’ to leave.

I did not accuse or argue; easy for me as I was not directly involved, and we did not contact one another again after that. It was polite, simple, clean interaction. My sister was crushed. Perhaps it would have been better had she not known, but it did in fact help her to move on in the end, not immediately I might add and not before he ran off anyway, but when that did happen, she coped because she had knowledge.

The questions are sometimes the worst; but often the answers aren’t much better.

If you really want answers, you might well have to ask her. We can’t give you what you’re looking for. But if you do contact her, you need to be prepared not to fight over him and just be open to any information she chooses to give.

Remember, he’s the one choosing to do this to you.

Take care op 💐

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 21:16

@DBML thank you, I hope you had a good day I'm sure your garden looks lovely. I've copied and pasted and I'm going to weigh up whether or not to contact her. Thank you for being there

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DBML · 06/05/2020 21:18

You’re welcome op.

And my garden looks horrendous at the moment lol!! All mud and grass seed now. We had to treat it for leather jackets that ruined the grass. But hopefully it’s a start!!

Take care.

crispysausagerolls · 06/05/2020 21:25

@DBML - excellent message and spot on. I think that’s exactly the line you would want to take with the OW. Most people are reasonable and if approached politely with the facts and a bit of a tug on the heartstrings, will respond like the woman in the example. Tbh even if she is a woman scorned and pissed off she is likely to tell you.

OP maybe he is conflicted. Maybe part of him did want to commit with another baby. Be the family man. Have a child and try to make things work. It’s impossible to know.

What you need to do is try to bottom out what exactly has happened here with OW to assess properly how you feel about it.

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 21:31

@crispysausagerolls I can't believe I'm saying something nice about her but the way she care across in the messages, apart from what she was doing she seemed lovely? I know that sounds mad.

Yes I have tried to force myself to believe that maybe he wanted to make things work because he committed to dc2 but am I stupid in thinking that if that were the case, if he wanted to make it work, the doors to ow would be closed and he would have done that already?

I know what I'm asking seems so obvious I'm just trying to get things straight in my head before I contactvher

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crispysausagerolls · 06/05/2020 21:40

I don’t think life is black and white like that, unfortunately. He could want to be a committed husband and father to you, whilst also secretly harbouring a desire to start again with someone else. He could be telling her he wants to be with her to continue getting attention and validation from her, whilst not meaning it. Or he could be in love with her and with you only out of obligation.

The only person who knows is him. And he isn’t really telling you, is he? That’s why you need couples counselling to unpack what the actual fuck is going on here/make it clear it’s not something you will stand for. Not because you are controlling, but because NO ONE would.

With her you can get confirmation of what’s passed between them. Did they have sex? Did they kiss? Did they meet up? All these things.

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 21:51

Thanks @crispysausagerolls I am going to contact her tomorrow

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DBML · 06/05/2020 21:53

Big hugs op. I know this must be hard for you. I’ve responded to your message and you can contact me whenever you like or need, or even if it’s just to tell me you’ve watched something great on Netflix. Until you feel able to confide in your family and wider friend network, we’ll be here.

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 22:01

I couldn't be more grateful to the people on here. I know I've maybe concentrated on one thing in this or I've repeated myself, I think it's just because my head is a mess. I have decided I will contact her. I will update you all soon x

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Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 22:01

@DBML Thanks

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BackseatCookers · 06/05/2020 22:27

Another one here who is available to PM! You sound so sad and lost OP and I can't imagine how horrid that is when you're pregnant and feeling vulnerable too. Feel free to message, I've just finished a MAMMOTH work project so will actually have some more free time for once Thanks

crispysausagerolls · 06/05/2020 22:27

Same re available to PM. Good luck x

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 22:59

Thank you @crispysausagerolls

Thank you for @BackseatCookers hope project goes well

I honestly can't thank you enough

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Bunnyfuller · 06/05/2020 23:56

TC @Cupcakesaregood No one deserves what this twat is doing to you. He definitely doesn’t deserve the love you clearly have for him.

Cuddle your DC, and your tummy baby, and try to sleep x

Dontletitbeyou · 07/05/2020 03:36

Hope you gain a little bit more understanding about this mess tomorrow.
I agree with contacting her , you will have a better chance of finding out the truth about everything that has been , and may still be going on . Also , it’s going to force everything out into the open , and changes will invariably happen . This can only be a good thing , 3 years has passed , unless decisions are made , another 3,10, years will pass with nothing changing . Your DH is happy enough for things to stay as they are for the time being , despite knowing how tormented you are by it . He’s had it all his way so far , time for him to be forced into some proper decision making , wherever that leads to , then so be it . At least you will know what’s what .
Good luck , knowledge is power

TheTigerQueen · 07/05/2020 03:48

Just read this thread and want to wish you luck contacting her tomorrow I hope you get the answers you need Flowers

Ginntoniconpause · 07/05/2020 09:00

Hi OP,

I've read both of your threads and feel so sad for you. You sound so stuck and lost and I think you've received some brilliant advice. I also think the right way to go is contacting the OW. You're getting to a stage where you need to be well informed about everything and I hope that she'll assist in this. I can imagine you're terrified to what you'll find out as then you'll need to start making decisions.

There have been times where my heart goes out for your husband as well as you. Although more recently I can totally see why you would want to nail him to a wall!

How are you managing at the moment? Are you working etc? How's your little one doing? Do you have long until your due date? I remember you saying you haven't told anyone other than one friend in real life, do you have any other support?

Good luck today. Flowers

Sunshineandflipflops · 07/05/2020 10:25

I'm afraid I don't see what contacting the OW will achieve. If she is involved with the op's dh then she's hardly going to tell the truth. She might even be expecting it and have a story ready or just not reply.

What she says is irrelevant really anyway as there are clearly trust issues and always will be. It will gradually wear you down.

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