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Thread 2 ow/emotional affair/pregnant

324 replies

Cupcakesaregood · 06/05/2020 14:20

Hi @Bunnyfuller I'm a way I could almost forgive a physical affair more? If it has just been emotional (for the moment) then that just shows the pull she has on him.

I always wanted two children. So did my H at some point when he was happy. I know this new addition isn't going to fix anything. I think part of me just thought well maybe he's going along with it because he does want me. But I'm thinking now it's more because I went on and on about wanting another. Which explains that message I found saying to her that there are things going on that mean trouble for him.

Do I want to call her? Yes. Because I know if I tell her I'm pregnant it will hurt her and she will go. I'm stopping myself though because what I've learnt is I have forced my hand too much in this situation. He needs to make these steps not me. He obviously cares very much about losing her. It's almost like he's protecting her more

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Lillygolightly · 07/05/2020 11:24

Hi @Cupcakesaregood

I’ve not posted on your thread before but I have read through. I’m so terribly sorry that you are going through this and quiet sadly I know the turmoil myself.

I’m going to address just a few things;

Firstly with regards to him agreeing to DC2, he wasn’t committing, at least not in a real and honest way, he was appeasing you. In other words his guilt was such that he gave you what you wanted. He did this knowing the great risk he was putting any possible relationship with OW at, but it’s also arrogance because she does not know that you are pregnant, so of course he isn’t being honest with her either. So he was thinking he could give you what you wanted to appease you, whilst also keeping her in his life, that’s incredibly dishonest and unfair to both you and the OW.

As to why he doesn’t just delete and forget her, well in short perhaps he can’t, and can’t is just as bad if not worse than won’t. He holds on to her just like you hold onto to him, and that has to be terribly crushing for you. He is invested in her, even if he knows or thinks there is no chance of reality of with relationship with OW he is STILL holding on. Whatever it is they have emotional or physical between them is strong. Whether he is still communicating or just pining and yearning for her I can’t tell you, but the very fact he has her contact info and several routes to contact I would imagine that it’s almost impossible for them not to be speaking.

As for you lovely, you are pregnant and full of hormones which I’m sure is making dealing with the whole situation so much harder for you. You are stuck in that terrible part where you analyse every interaction, between you and him and between him and her. You are looking for clues all the time, clues that you hope will tell you that he really wants you, really loves you, and you are looking for anything you can hold onto that will give you some foundation of security and hope. Sadly I think you know from all the advice you’ve received on this thread is that the things you are searching for from him are not to be found, you’ve just been so desperate to see it in a way that makes it good for you but hopefully the advice has hopefully taken those desperation glasses off so you can see more clearly.

It’s going to take you a while to come to terms with all of this and the simple fact is, is that just in the same way he is not ready to let go of OW, you may not be ready to let go of him. You are pregnant, feeling insecure and vulnerable and of course you don’t want your family unit to break. What I’m saying is that it’s ok to take time to think about you want, and how you want to handle this. Not everyone finds out about a cheating spouse and has a big confrontation where they tell them what for and kick them out. It’s ok if that’s not for you, some times it feels like it’s exactly what you should be doing, and other are often quick to tell you that’s what you should do, but don’t feel guilty or like you are being a pushover if that’s not what you want to do. I’m not at all advocating staying with him or that you should just put up with his behaviour, what I am saying is that it’s ok to take the time to emotionally and mentally detach yourself from him, to take the time to imagine and plan for a future without him (he’s has already imagined and discussed one without you with the OW) to take steps protect yourself and your children financially. There is no harm or shame in taking the scraps from him that are on offer (and they are scraps because his heart and mind are elsewhere) for the sole benefit of yourself and your children while you set yourself up for a better life without him, and while you will be sad about this I can absolutely had one heart say that this new life will be BETTER.

I know you are thinking of contacting OW today, I just wanted to wish you luck and I hope that it gives you what you need. FlowersFlowers

Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 11:38

Thank you @Bunnyfuller Thanks

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Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 11:39

@Dontletitbeyou thank you Thanks

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Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 11:39

Thank you @TheTigerQueen Thanks

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Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 11:40

@Ginntoniconpause thank you Thanks

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Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 11:40

Thank you  @Sunshineandflipflops Thanks

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Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 11:42

@Lillygolightly thank you for your post, I'm sorry if you have experience with this, I'm not in a great headspace today so will respond tomorrow..thank you for taking the time to post though I really do appreciate it Thanks

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Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 11:45

@Sparkles333 just wanted to take you in lovely, wasn't sure how to make a new thread Thanks

I want to say thank you for everyone's messages, I didn't really sleep last night so I'm going to try and nap a little today.

I'm still in two minds for contacting so I'm trying weigh up pros and cons but I do need to sleep. Thank you again all so much, I really feel like I trust you.

Amy x

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DBML · 07/05/2020 11:51

I’m sorry you’re not in a good head space today op.
Don’t worry about keeping us updated, your life isn’t a soap opera.
And remember, these feelings are temporary. It won’t always be like this 🌺🌻🌺🌻

AllsortsofAwkward · 07/05/2020 12:00

I didnt read the previous thread. I'm gathering from other posters you found inappropriate messages confronted him and pushed for another child? Is that correct? Band aid babies are never the answer op if anything it will push him further into her arms. What you need to ask yourself is what do you get out of this relationship and how you can move forward, it sounds like he doenst want to give up contact with her which leaves you two choices accept it or leave.

Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 12:03

@DBML thank you, it feels like one at the moment!

You're right, it's not going to always be like this, I have to start thinking properly about the future and whether I can live my life wondering if he is still pining over OW

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Dozycuntlaters · 07/05/2020 12:07

Hi cupcakes hope you're ok.

I wouldn't contact her to be honest. My AP's wife contacted me a couple of times, fair enough, but to never ask any questions, more just to have a go. I can't imagine it made her feel very good, she didn't get anything positive out of it, so it didn't really solve anything. You have a DH problem, not an OW problem, but you know that anyway.

Big hugs xx

Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 12:10

@Dozycuntlaters thank you lovely. I'm still in two minds..just weighing up pros and cons but value your opinion. Will let you know x

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 07/05/2020 12:16

Cupcakesaregood, I hadn't seen your thread until just this morning. I saw this one and then went back to read your first one. I'm so sorry that you're going through this, it must be utterly devastating for you.

You've had really good advice and there are some very kind posters out there, it's lovely to see. I hope you'll take comfort in the two children you (will soon) have and that their father is as interested in child 2 as he is in child 1. Sadly, I don't think he will ever end his relationship with the OW. For a couple who haven't or don't sex they're extremely cemented.

Your husband sounds as if he's the sort to re-write things in his head and possibly translate 'agreed to second child' as being tricked into it.

You know the truth and you have your children - and you ultimately do not need HIM. I've been on both sides, OW and a cheated on partner and as the latter, I know that leaving was the best thing I could ever have done.

I wish you well, it's a traumatic time for you and you're now pregnant. You must take care of yourself and your baby - never mind him and his antics and lies.

Cupcakesaregood · 07/05/2020 13:03

Hi @Artandlove Thanks

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deepwatersolo · 07/05/2020 18:48

I'm not sure about the contacting OW thing. If they are indeed not talking currently, this might be the event that makes them talk again.

And it is not like she thinks he is leaving OP or anything. He already told her he won't (because kid... oh god he's so pathetic). I still can't see why a 2nd kid would make a difference to her. That he won't leave was established with kid #1. (I know she said, it would. But it makes on sense.)

If anything, he will hold it against OP. (Which might be good in the long run, if he left because of it. But he won't and the whole situation will just become even more toxic...)

Idk. Maye I'm missing something.

SandyY2K · 07/05/2020 19:43

@deepwatersolo

I agree with your post above about not contacting the OW. Many OWs are fiercely loyal to their MM, but I must say the email that DBML sent to her BILS OW was really good.

crispysausagerolls · 07/05/2020 19:45

I just don’t see what their is to lose in trying.

Especially with something like DBML’s message.

Worst case scenario she doesn’t tell you anything, and you’re in the same position as before. Best case scenario you get some actual truth, and then have more information.

crispysausagerolls · 07/05/2020 19:46

*there

Dominoz · 07/05/2020 20:01

Agree- don't contact OW. It won't make you feel better and it won't give you any truth or clarity. There is a mistaken belief that somehow she'll be overcome with 'girl code'. She knows what she has got herself into and she'll be defensive and jealous.

The loyalty and the support you need is from your husband.

If he can't delete her, he can't get over her and he's showing you and your child(ren) no respect. I'm so sorry.

Dominoz · 07/05/2020 20:01

Everything @lillygolightly says up thread is great

beenwhereyouare · 08/05/2020 04:53

@AllsortsofAwkward or anyone else who wants to read the other thread, here's the link:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3876476-ow-emotional-affair-please-help-me

Idontwantthis · 08/05/2020 19:36

This is so hard to read - so must be even harder to live.
If not for your sakes, then for your children’s. Please end this.

BackseatCookers · 08/05/2020 19:43

Hope you're doing OK OP Thanks

SavannahCat · 08/05/2020 22:53

Are you ok OP? X

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