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Constant arguments about cleaning and his hygiene

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Douleur · 15/04/2020 08:04

DH and I have just had another one of our never ending arguments about cleaning.

The usual routine at night is that he walks DD to sleep and then one of us stays with her at night, she doesn’t sleep alone we have tried everything and are waiting until she is ready. Then whoever isn’t sleeping with her goes downstairs and cleans the kitchen and the living room. Last night she fell asleep on the boob earlier than usual. He had a bit of a strange reaction and he wanted me to move her into the room he normally sleeps in, I said I wasn’t risking waking her up he argued with me for a while so I said once she unlatched from me he could take over. She normally takes a few hours to finally unlatch and so he went downstairs to ‘clean’.

We have a really small house so closing doors is really important, when he left he didn’t close the door and I could hear crashing dishes, the front door being slammed so I text him repeatedly asking him to shut the door. He didn’t respond to any texts. He came back upstairs 30 minutes ago, I repeated that once she unlatches we can swap. I managed to wriggle free and we swapped places. I went downstairs and he hadn’t cleaned anything and had left dishes to do in the 90 minutes I had been with DD. He also spilt half a bottle of thyme by the microwave a week ago that I had asked him to clean up, I refuse to do it because he always does stuff like this and leaves it for me to clean like I am his maid. The thyme was still there. I texted him asking why he had left all that stuff for me to clean. He ignored me. I cleaned the kitchen and the living room and went to bed.

This morning I asked him why he couldn’t clean up the thyme and he just said that he’ll do it today. I kept saying that I had asked him to clean it when he split it and he just said that he would do it today and I was being unreasonable. He really believes that having to ask him multiple times to do something he has agreed to do is normal.

We also don't have very much and I have a rug that I desperately try to keep nice. When DD was smaller and I did all the nights with her for about two weeks everytime I came down in the morning the baby's playmat would be out, this was odd . I finally saw that he had spilt a glass of wine on my cream rug (bought pre-baby) and didn't bother to try to clean it, he just put the mat on it. When I asked him why he didn't say anything he just said that he forgot.

Cleaning has been a huge issue our relationship. He is supposed to clean the bathroom once a week and I do the three bedrooms and hallways every Saturday. For four months I had to beg him to clean the bathroom, I asked, I reminded, I suggested, I cried, I finally wrote out how to clean the bathroom in a step by step because he claimed not to know how to (he then lost the step by step). He still didn’t do it. After four months I did it and he stood in the hallway with DD who was calling for me and he taunted me saying ‘DD wants you, why are you ignoring her’.

I think his reasoning is that he does 90% of the dishes so that’s all he should do. He also has awful hygiene to the point where I recently thought he was holding a bin bag but it was just the stench coming from a certain part of his body (I'm trying to be delicate). He doesn't shower for weeks and smells so badly we can't have sex but he's not bothered. He just laughed in my face when I told him that smell was unacceptable and went through my phone (this is fine we both have access to each other's phones) to find messages I'd sent to friends asking for advice about his smell and read them out to me laughing. I don't think he particularly cares about having sex with me which doesn't make me feel great. We are also supposed to be ttc baby number 2 but since DD was born two years ago we've had sex five times. Before DD I used to take him to the shower and shower with him. We can’t afford a cleaner and we’re Catholic so no divorce but what can I do? I’ve just cried in my bedroom from the frustration.

OP posts:
Cambionome · 15/04/2020 08:09

This sounds awful and I really feel for you, but please don't bring another baby into this car crash of a relationship.

Cabinfever10 · 15/04/2020 08:22

He is being abusive.
What do you get from this relationship?
What advice would you give to your dd if she was in a relationship with someone who treated her the way you are being treated?

Tableclothing · 15/04/2020 08:25

You can separate without divorcing.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 15/04/2020 08:26

Sounds like there’s something very wrong with him! How awful.

Greenkit · 15/04/2020 08:35

Vile, get rid

Wellwhatdouknow · 15/04/2020 08:35

He sounds like a delight.. So you have tried all the rational ways of encouraging him, even taking to the shower with you and making a step by step of how to clean a bathroom. I mean i think you know what the solution to your problem is and being Catholic should not stop you from leaving him. Whats the alternative? Living like this for the rest of your life? Can you even imagine the misery?? He isnt interested in changing, why should he, all is well in his world.

Miraclescometrue · 15/04/2020 08:42

That is shockingly bad. Does he work? If he smells as bad as a bin bag, how does he socialise and be around people? Presumably you share a bed with him?

I would get through this period and seriously consider ending it as he is obviously not going to change and doesn’t want to.

GoofyLuce · 15/04/2020 08:43

You CAN leave. Just because your Catholic doesn't meant you have to live like this forever. Are you actually attracted to this man? I can't see how you would be! Leave him, get yourself a nice clean flat or house and live a lovely smell and dirt free life with your child.

The comment about one of his body parts smelling made me gag.

Please leave...build a better life for yourself! Flowers

PurpleBlueAnemone · 15/04/2020 08:43

He'll never change and if you choose to stay with him your life will be a constant battle over this or you'll end up doing everything yourself and not touching him with a barge pole.
Don't have another child with him.
Separate

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 08:50

Sorry I'm going against the grain. I think you sound quite neurotic. Texting him repeatedly whilst you're in the same house? Routine is a little controlling. My DH wouldn't put up with me giving a strict routine like that. How about verbally communicating??? Also texting your friends that your husbands dick smells isn't very dignified. It's utterly humiliating. I'm getting the impression you're banging on and on at him and his childishly responding by not doing as you ask. Abusive? No. Childish? Yes. But then so Is texting him when you're in the same house. I think there's some unspoken resentments in your relationship that you need to get to the bottom of.... Ps the unhygienic thing is revolting but I feel again he's rebelling against you.

Morgan12 · 15/04/2020 08:51

I'm catholic and would 100% be getting divorced in this situation.

Please do not have another baby.

He is giving me the dry heave just by reading this.

Wallywobbles · 15/04/2020 08:52

Seriously - I hope this is a windup. Forget the cleaning that is a non issue in comparison to his personal hygiene. Honestly pick your boundaries up off the floor. Being catholic is not an acceptable reason to stay with Mr Scum.

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 08:54

@Cabinfever10 this is not abusive. Unhealthy dynamics but not abuse. I'm sick of just about everything being labelled abuse on here. He sounds lazy dirty and childish. Op sounds neurotic naggy and in a stiff unegotiable routine and texting her friends about her husbands privates is not acceptable behaviour. Unhealthy dynamics. She's not scared of him.

Elieza · 15/04/2020 08:55

You deserve better and so does your daughter. You will all end up ill if he doesn’t understand hygiene. You need to go OP. There’s no way a little child should be raised by this filthy pig. You can divorce or not as you see fit but I wouldn’t be living in the sane house as him.

MontysOarlock · 15/04/2020 08:58

My Aunty (Catholic) divorced her alcoholic, physically abusive husband, best thing she ever did. The final straw was when he broke her jaw.

She married a lovely, sweet, kind, generous man and they lived very happily until he died, and then she died shortly after in their old age.

Why would you want to stay with this person? He has no respect for you. He wants to literally sit holding a toddler whilst you do all the housework, every day.

Sorry I'm going against the grain. I think you sound quite neurotic. Texting him repeatedly whilst you're in the same house?

She texted him as she had a child asleep on her body.

I can't get past the hygiene part. Disgusting.

triedandtestedteacher · 15/04/2020 09:00

This sounds like something from a horrible period drama what with him smelling and laughing at you. I can't believe you texted friends about your husbands smell though? That's very humiliating and probably he's decided to get worse rather than better. It all sounds unsalvageable to me. He hates you, you hate him. Being catholic is neither here nor there. Just start getting your ducks in a row to leave

Splitsunrise · 15/04/2020 09:02

@limpbizkit somehow I doubt you would be cool with your other half never showering and never pulling your weight....but sure

LittleWing80 · 15/04/2020 09:03

Texting him while in the same house is neurotic....?
Have you ever breastfed a baby? She just got her baby to sleep, she could have just ran up and down the stairs with her little girl (whom I presumed she took ages to settle) still attached to her breast. How awfully selfish of OP!

OP - it sounds like he is picking and choosing what house chores are less effort he prefers and is completely unsupportive of you. You can’t make a grown man do anything he doesn’t want to. You have the choice to do it all yourself or live in filth. Lack of personal hygiene is disrespectful if not caused by a medical issue.

You need to decide if you can put up with that or offer an emotionally healthier environment for your DD to grow up in.

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 09:05

@splitsunrise err did I not say it was disgusting? I merely pointed out it was unhealthy dynamics but not abusive. Yes the op probably should divorce the lazy dirty man but without labelling herself a domestic abuse victim

MashedSpud · 15/04/2020 09:08

If his dick smells like a dirty bin bag from afar I’m amazed you’ve had sex at all.

He needs to bathe/shower. His skin will be teeming with bacteria and he’s likely to get boils and god knows what else.

When you’re dealing with an immature arsehole regarding cleaning it’s a case of nag, leave it or clean it yourself. If you opt for clean it yourself though he will just carry on being a lazy twat.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/04/2020 09:09

What are you getting out of this relationship now?.

The fact that you are catholic OP is neither here or there; you can still divorce your H if you choose to do so.

What do you want to teach your child about relationships and what is she learning here from you two?. You want her to learn from this awful model of a relationship?.

JKScot4 · 15/04/2020 09:09

He does sound minging. You sound ridiculous.
Do you ever actually sit down and have an adult conversation? You sound like petty flat mates not a married couple.
Why are you sitting for ‘hours’ with a two yr old latched on to you? There’s no need for that, during which time your texting and issuing orders to him, you need a better routine with your toddler, please do not have another child with him.

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 09:09

Women who are abused are scared of their partners. If he was abusive she'd have been terrified of pulling him up on that stain on the carpet and especially of him finding out about the messages she sent to friends. This site is so sexist. If a bloke texted his mates that his wife's fanny stunk he'd be given hell on earth on here

Musti · 15/04/2020 09:09

Disgusting vile man. Divorce him

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 09:12

What @JKScot4 said. Your routine sounds ridiculous. If I was texting my DH orders he wouldn't text me back either. We as a couple don't give each other instructions or orders and have specific routines. Our marriage isn't perfect of course but why all this obsession with bossing men about like their children? Transactional analysis. Treat someone like a child. They'll respond like one

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