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Constant arguments about cleaning and his hygiene

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Douleur · 15/04/2020 08:04

DH and I have just had another one of our never ending arguments about cleaning.

The usual routine at night is that he walks DD to sleep and then one of us stays with her at night, she doesn’t sleep alone we have tried everything and are waiting until she is ready. Then whoever isn’t sleeping with her goes downstairs and cleans the kitchen and the living room. Last night she fell asleep on the boob earlier than usual. He had a bit of a strange reaction and he wanted me to move her into the room he normally sleeps in, I said I wasn’t risking waking her up he argued with me for a while so I said once she unlatched from me he could take over. She normally takes a few hours to finally unlatch and so he went downstairs to ‘clean’.

We have a really small house so closing doors is really important, when he left he didn’t close the door and I could hear crashing dishes, the front door being slammed so I text him repeatedly asking him to shut the door. He didn’t respond to any texts. He came back upstairs 30 minutes ago, I repeated that once she unlatches we can swap. I managed to wriggle free and we swapped places. I went downstairs and he hadn’t cleaned anything and had left dishes to do in the 90 minutes I had been with DD. He also spilt half a bottle of thyme by the microwave a week ago that I had asked him to clean up, I refuse to do it because he always does stuff like this and leaves it for me to clean like I am his maid. The thyme was still there. I texted him asking why he had left all that stuff for me to clean. He ignored me. I cleaned the kitchen and the living room and went to bed.

This morning I asked him why he couldn’t clean up the thyme and he just said that he’ll do it today. I kept saying that I had asked him to clean it when he split it and he just said that he would do it today and I was being unreasonable. He really believes that having to ask him multiple times to do something he has agreed to do is normal.

We also don't have very much and I have a rug that I desperately try to keep nice. When DD was smaller and I did all the nights with her for about two weeks everytime I came down in the morning the baby's playmat would be out, this was odd . I finally saw that he had spilt a glass of wine on my cream rug (bought pre-baby) and didn't bother to try to clean it, he just put the mat on it. When I asked him why he didn't say anything he just said that he forgot.

Cleaning has been a huge issue our relationship. He is supposed to clean the bathroom once a week and I do the three bedrooms and hallways every Saturday. For four months I had to beg him to clean the bathroom, I asked, I reminded, I suggested, I cried, I finally wrote out how to clean the bathroom in a step by step because he claimed not to know how to (he then lost the step by step). He still didn’t do it. After four months I did it and he stood in the hallway with DD who was calling for me and he taunted me saying ‘DD wants you, why are you ignoring her’.

I think his reasoning is that he does 90% of the dishes so that’s all he should do. He also has awful hygiene to the point where I recently thought he was holding a bin bag but it was just the stench coming from a certain part of his body (I'm trying to be delicate). He doesn't shower for weeks and smells so badly we can't have sex but he's not bothered. He just laughed in my face when I told him that smell was unacceptable and went through my phone (this is fine we both have access to each other's phones) to find messages I'd sent to friends asking for advice about his smell and read them out to me laughing. I don't think he particularly cares about having sex with me which doesn't make me feel great. We are also supposed to be ttc baby number 2 but since DD was born two years ago we've had sex five times. Before DD I used to take him to the shower and shower with him. We can’t afford a cleaner and we’re Catholic so no divorce but what can I do? I’ve just cried in my bedroom from the frustration.

OP posts:
limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 09:13

I meant to say we DONT have specific routines

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 09:13

They're not their Blush

Splitsunrise · 15/04/2020 09:14

@limpbizkit I wonder realistically how women don’t shower for weeks on end........(for reasons unrelated to physical/mental health). I doubt it’s many. And if it’s just laziness then fair enough I’d expect the partner to bitch about it, it’s disgusting and disrespectful!

MehitabelWhurl · 15/04/2020 09:16

You both sound awful. Please don’t have any more children. I’m aghast you’re even considering it. Hoping this is a wind up.

Splitsunrise · 15/04/2020 09:16

That was meant to say *how many women

Ilovenutellaaaaa · 15/04/2020 09:18

Im going against the grain here, but you said yourself at the start of the post, one of you sleeps in same room as baby, and the one who doesn't do that is the one who cleans up....since you had both agreed he was the one sleeping in same room as baby (you said you would.give her to him after she unlatched) then if he is the one having the baby, then by the rules of your household isn't it your turn to do the cleaning?...,why would he do both if the rules are the one who isn't sleeping in the room with baby cleans , and it was his turn to have the baby that night....

PurpleBlueAnemone · 15/04/2020 09:19

Your routine is a bit OTT. A two year old latched on for hours!

JKScot4 · 15/04/2020 09:20

2 is not a baby, you talk as if it’s a tiny baby being carried about that can’t be put down 🙄

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 09:21

@splitsunrise can you just clarify what your point to me is please (my point was that the behaviour may be unhealthy but not abusive) do you disagree?

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 09:22

Once again a women that is abused does not give out orders and routines to her husband. Trust me

BigRedBoat · 15/04/2020 09:22

Did you date for a while before marriage? Was he a smelly minger then too or is this a recent development? Has he ever lived alone or did he live with his mum who did everything for him before you?

I couldn't live with someone who smelled like a bin and didn't even care about it, isn't it embarrassing when you go out together (obvs pre lock down)?

HarrietTheShy · 15/04/2020 09:25

Read this as if a friend were telling it to you. You'd tell her to leave, wouldn't you?

Interestedwoman · 15/04/2020 09:27

I think it's abusive. You want him to do something as unreasonable as not smell like rotting waste and he laughs in your face about it in a refusal to do something that's so important to you, knowing that you might feel you have to have sex with this filth.

Because you don't want to divorce, he feels he's got you over a barrel and can treat you however he likes.

What's he like in other respects @Douleur ?

fuckinghellthisshit · 15/04/2020 09:30

Why on earth are you thinking of having another child with this man?

Astella22 · 15/04/2020 09:32

While he sleeps remove all his clothes and refuses to give them back until he showers. Beyond vile to not shower for weeks.

bullyingadvice2017 · 15/04/2020 09:32

Oh god, this sounds awful. You can't live like that ok. Get out of there. You don't want to be bringing your daughter up around this. He Sounds gross

I'm sure there would be a high volume of Catholic women from years gone by that would be shouting the same reply.

slipperywhensparticus · 15/04/2020 09:37

Umm so your cleaning and he is taunting you with your child?

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 09:39

So @Interestedwoman you think it's OK to text your mates about your dhs smelly dick rather than confronting him to his face?

Starlight1243 · 15/04/2020 09:42

I agree with other posters you both sound as bad as each other. You're routine with a 2 is OTT and unnecessary you need to learn to settle her on her own it might take a couple of nights of crying and reassurance but you'll find she will eventually accept. As for the cleaning list it's over the top does he work? You would be mad to TTC especially if he stinks.

Douleur · 15/04/2020 09:45

Just to clarify that DD cannot sleep alone. She fell asleep on the breast if I unlatch her she wakes up, we text at night to communicate. We do not sleep in the same room. The texting is standard. We will not sleep train train or anything like that and both are happy for DD to take as long as she needs to sleep independently.

Thank you for the responses. I agree I am nagging but he's not one of those people who can be asked once to do something. It's been so long that I don't know who is being unreasonable but it's helpful to see that the majority of the responses ate in agreement. We may never have another baby due to fertility issues and I just wanted to try but five times in two years isn't really trying.

Also, for not responding to the individual comment I'm on a small phone but DD was asleep on me for 90 minutes he could have cleaned the kitchen in 90 minutes. He was sat playing on his phone.

I texted friends for prayers about the issue. It wasn't so much my husband's penis smells like he's rotting more can you pray for us regarding his hygiene and my response to it.

He is a really good dad. When DD was little he would walk her around to sleep for two hours no complaints, he took care of me when I almost died during pregnancy. He will admit that he is not a good partner and I've had to put up with his parents sending abusive notes about me. He knows I am not going anywhere but I don't think this makes him worse, this is what he's like. He's also much more educated than I am so can be rude about that. He said something to me in German this morning that I couldn't understand. I'm not looking for a great love story just a partner who will clean up after himself and contribute.

OP posts:
Douleur · 15/04/2020 09:47

Also, I was texting him to shut the door as we could hear him. After I came downstairs I asked him what he'd been doing all that time.

OP posts:
Neveranynamesleft · 15/04/2020 09:48

Several things stick out for me.
Child latching on for hours , one of you sleeping with him /her ( cant remember, post was too long tbh) you text each other in the same house, something about not shutting doors presumably to avoid noise ?? So the child rules the roost here ?? No it doesnt.
Personal hygiene is a must. No excuses apart from laziness. Just that alone would make me pack my bags . Or his. Life is too short, move on and be happy because you obviously are not. And under no circumstances should you even think about bringing another child into this.

Blueuggboots · 15/04/2020 09:51

I'm afraid prayer isn't going to sort his crap hygiene....soap and water is much more effective!
whilst I'm likely to get flamed, your daughter is 2. I think you could consider some gentle sleep training but then again, if my husband was a lazy minger, I'd rather stay in the bedroom with my 2 year old!
He clearly has no respect for you, don't waste your life believing you cNt divorce him because of your beliefs. My mum is a committed Christian and divorced my dad after 47 years because he was psychologically abusive to her.

Weenurse · 15/04/2020 09:51

Suggest he gets in the bath with DC?
Personally, I would pack his bags.

Verily1 · 15/04/2020 09:54

If the only reason you’re not divorcing is your faith it is clear that your relationship is over.

Does your faith allow a legal separation?

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