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Constant arguments about cleaning and his hygiene

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Douleur · 15/04/2020 08:04

DH and I have just had another one of our never ending arguments about cleaning.

The usual routine at night is that he walks DD to sleep and then one of us stays with her at night, she doesn’t sleep alone we have tried everything and are waiting until she is ready. Then whoever isn’t sleeping with her goes downstairs and cleans the kitchen and the living room. Last night she fell asleep on the boob earlier than usual. He had a bit of a strange reaction and he wanted me to move her into the room he normally sleeps in, I said I wasn’t risking waking her up he argued with me for a while so I said once she unlatched from me he could take over. She normally takes a few hours to finally unlatch and so he went downstairs to ‘clean’.

We have a really small house so closing doors is really important, when he left he didn’t close the door and I could hear crashing dishes, the front door being slammed so I text him repeatedly asking him to shut the door. He didn’t respond to any texts. He came back upstairs 30 minutes ago, I repeated that once she unlatches we can swap. I managed to wriggle free and we swapped places. I went downstairs and he hadn’t cleaned anything and had left dishes to do in the 90 minutes I had been with DD. He also spilt half a bottle of thyme by the microwave a week ago that I had asked him to clean up, I refuse to do it because he always does stuff like this and leaves it for me to clean like I am his maid. The thyme was still there. I texted him asking why he had left all that stuff for me to clean. He ignored me. I cleaned the kitchen and the living room and went to bed.

This morning I asked him why he couldn’t clean up the thyme and he just said that he’ll do it today. I kept saying that I had asked him to clean it when he split it and he just said that he would do it today and I was being unreasonable. He really believes that having to ask him multiple times to do something he has agreed to do is normal.

We also don't have very much and I have a rug that I desperately try to keep nice. When DD was smaller and I did all the nights with her for about two weeks everytime I came down in the morning the baby's playmat would be out, this was odd . I finally saw that he had spilt a glass of wine on my cream rug (bought pre-baby) and didn't bother to try to clean it, he just put the mat on it. When I asked him why he didn't say anything he just said that he forgot.

Cleaning has been a huge issue our relationship. He is supposed to clean the bathroom once a week and I do the three bedrooms and hallways every Saturday. For four months I had to beg him to clean the bathroom, I asked, I reminded, I suggested, I cried, I finally wrote out how to clean the bathroom in a step by step because he claimed not to know how to (he then lost the step by step). He still didn’t do it. After four months I did it and he stood in the hallway with DD who was calling for me and he taunted me saying ‘DD wants you, why are you ignoring her’.

I think his reasoning is that he does 90% of the dishes so that’s all he should do. He also has awful hygiene to the point where I recently thought he was holding a bin bag but it was just the stench coming from a certain part of his body (I'm trying to be delicate). He doesn't shower for weeks and smells so badly we can't have sex but he's not bothered. He just laughed in my face when I told him that smell was unacceptable and went through my phone (this is fine we both have access to each other's phones) to find messages I'd sent to friends asking for advice about his smell and read them out to me laughing. I don't think he particularly cares about having sex with me which doesn't make me feel great. We are also supposed to be ttc baby number 2 but since DD was born two years ago we've had sex five times. Before DD I used to take him to the shower and shower with him. We can’t afford a cleaner and we’re Catholic so no divorce but what can I do? I’ve just cried in my bedroom from the frustration.

OP posts:
Wannabangbang · 15/04/2020 11:28

I used to have a Dh that didn't wash often, god he stank. Then he would complain i was frigid. Put up with years of it, makes me wretch thinking of the stench even now.
And housework was the same as your dp, he done bare minimum and made more mess in the process.

Just leave him, please don't have another baby with him.

Queenoftheashes · 15/04/2020 11:32

He’s a disgusting obnoxious pig. Replace him with a dishwasher.

I0NA · 15/04/2020 11:32

I’m a bit confused why your Catholic Church has a pastor ?

doadeer · 15/04/2020 11:34

I'm sorry but I think you really need to work on your daughter's sleeping that is not normal at two years old and I really don't think you are doing her any favours by not teaching her how to get to sleep by herself without being fed, at what point will she learn?

Delphinous78 · 15/04/2020 11:41

Op, I hope you're OK.

I understand how difficult reconciling religion with the shitshow that life can be sometimes. My daughter bedshared until 4 and lots of families bedshare for years, have you found The Beyond Sleep Training group on facebook? It is a pro-bedsharing and anti-sleep training group. You'll find lots of like minded people there.

I don't have anything helpful to add but I feel your frustration and I know that you want to keep your family together, whatever you decide make sure you factor yourself into the equation. I see lots of martyr wives at my church (where we have both pastors and priests!) who run themselves into the ground. Also, please chase your referral. I tried to access mental health services at university and I finally got my letter, six years later.

Barton10 · 15/04/2020 11:44

Why are you allowing your child anywhere near this man? She could catch something from him. Plus the smell must be awful for the poor little thing.

inacheeseandpicklesandwhich · 15/04/2020 11:55

Op i have never been a judgy person and I do understand where your coming from but also I think the both of you have got in one big rut and it's so hard to get out of . My daughter was an absolute nightmare for sleeping alone . I would be sleeping in her cot . Tight fit ha ha . Then one night I was laying there to scared to move just incase she woke up whilst my partner was down stairs eating the meal I cooked for us to have some time together . And I thought I'm not doing this no more . I got up and went down stairs . She cried and cried . It was hard . I was crying my eyes out down stairs listening to get it was torture but guess what two weeks later she was fine and we had no issues at. And unfortunately this is what your going to have to do . Weather she latched on or not once she's finished take her off before she goes to sleep and put her down . It will be a big shock to get system to start with but this will go on for years otherwise . This is what my mother did and I slept with her until I was 15!!!!! Her poor partner slept in a different room. I was not going down the same road with my child so knew this is what I had to do . You both need to sit down and have a long chat and bond . Cook a meal or order one in get some wine and food film . He probably knows himself that he smells . Hopefully once you two are back on track he will want to wash . Men are childish so maybe he's doing it because he knows it gets on your nerves . I honestly think you have both caused the situation you are in but if you love him you can make this work . If you don't I would kick him out. No matter what religion you are no one is supposed to be unhappy xxx

Gutterton · 15/04/2020 11:58

So sad that you tolerated “apathy” towards you - your bar is so low because of how you were abused as a child. But you can raise that bar and you need to because that low bar is now hurting your child and your don’t want that.

His “apathy” towards you is veiled contempt. He probably hates his controlling overbearing mother and was not in a position to challenge her so is releasing all of his anger towards her through his contempt, control and abuse of you.

These things never settle - they just get worse because he isn’t dealing with his real issues (his childhood / mother) so he isn’t getting any emotional satisfaction. As PP has said it is also misogyny and handy that he can hide behind the church. No surprise of the age gap - assume he had a few failed relationships of someone his own age before he worked out he needed a naive young woman who had been starved of love and parenting and would be delighted with any meagre morsel. He targeted you.

I think now you are a parent you are experiencing deep unconditional love for your DD and this is making you wake up realise that the “love” from him is not there and worse it is something else. A nasty, controlling, quiet, manipulative, dirty protest. He knows what he’s doing.

The not rowing in front of a child is not an acceptable defence. She can sense your agitation when you are frustrated and angry - when you are texting and she is lying on you. You are preoccupied and wound up with him 24/7 which means that you cannot be fully attuned to your DD. He is draining you of your finite emotional energy and flooding you with negative emotions. You need to conserve your emotional energy and make sure that your mood is positive and focused for your DD. You can’t do this if battling with him. You can’t be in two emotional places at once. You need to choose which one you’re in and the quality of the emotional environment you will grow your DD in.

Don’t let him steal your motherhood and your DDs emotional security.

You can start this journey today. Drop the rope. Don’t be goaded into his games.

Don’t be the nagging, exhausted, negative woman in the house. Don’t let him make you become the woman you are not.

Just detach in your head and heart from him. See where that takes you.

Anotheronetwo · 15/04/2020 11:59

I think you need to be very specific with your pastor about exactly what is going on. Write it in an email and send it to him if it is too difficult to explain over the phone. Would your pastor have any influence over your husband's behaviour if he knew exactly what was happening?
At the moment all the burden of your husbands bad behaviour is falling on you but within your church framework I'm guessing that someone should be holding your husband to account for his actions.

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 12:01

@reallywhereisthebar were I said it was unhealthy. Read my posts properly next time

Gutterton · 15/04/2020 12:01

Oh and I expect that your “depression” will magically evaporate once he is out of the picture emotionally or physically......

Neveranynamesleft · 15/04/2020 12:04

Contact a womens refuge / aid centre. Religion doesnt come into it, this is no life for you or your child.

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 12:08

@never not a good idea to be encouraging a woman to use a service for women in danger. She's in a relationship with unhealthy dynamics. This is NOT domestic abuse

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 12:11

By mumsnet standards every marriage is abusive. Its bloody ridiculous and a waste of resources. To empower the op why not suggest she leaves practically? (she's afraid because of her religion not because of him personally) encouraging a woman to be helpless by using a refuse is not empowering for women. Some women are victims of domestic abuse. The op is not. Some posters are ridiculously highly strung

Helmlover1 · 15/04/2020 12:13

Not showering, not looking after his hygiene, not taking much pride in your house..have you ever thought your husband might be depressed? Have you have actually spoken to him about any of this?

pusspuss9 · 15/04/2020 12:15

There is something I don't understand here.
You say he is English but he spoke to you in German?
Your English is excellent even though you say you are not English.

Have you lived in Uk for many years and are you conversant with your rights here?

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 12:19

@pusspuss9 she could be Irish

pusspuss9 · 15/04/2020 12:22

OK That's true.

pusspuss9 · 15/04/2020 12:23

Sometimes I just don't think!

limpbizkit · 15/04/2020 12:25

I could be wrong.. Just wondered as you say her English is fluent and I wondered with the Catholic heritage...

madcatladyforever · 15/04/2020 12:32

I wouldn't stay with him catholic or not. He sounds like a car crash.

My ex husband destroyed all mine and his nice things constant coffee spillage on nice carpets, filth and grime everywhere, ruined all his lovely expensive tools - he always used to say so what we'll get new ones, dropping and breaking things and to top it off again expected sex everynight when he stank.

Breath stank, pits stank, everything stank. He had about 4 massive poos a day and would leave shit everywhere and not clean.

Despite me being the main earner he did fuck all, I was no more than a maid.

The day he left was the happiest day of my life. I still feel utterly blessed that he is gone. All this might sound petty but the drip, drip, drip eventually kills any love there is.

Get rid, separate.

Douleur · 15/04/2020 12:33

I'm part of I'm antisleep training and pro bedsharing group on Facebook. My DSis bedhared with my niece until 9 and they have a lovely relationship.

I wouldn't take funds away from women in need, don't worry I'm not in any danger.

Sorry, the German was to illustrate that he is much better educated than I am and sometimes uses it to mock me. Apologies if unclear, I a non-white Brit.

If he was depressed then we could work together and I would have no right to criticise him. I have a long history of self harm, depression and we were talking about paying for a private assessment for cptsd before the current crisis. If he was depressed I would know how to access help. He has been like this since we first were together. It is worst because I can't physically take him to the shower anymore, I sleep with DD. I used to wake him up and walk him into a shower with me.

I just want to emphasis that it is not the church pressuring me to stay. My church has helped women leave who have been cheated on. It's my conscious. It can be difficult for non religious people to understand but Christ suffered and he asks us to suffer in this life. Also, God cares more about our holiness than our happiness. Reading that back makes me sound a bit mental and I imagine I'll get some comments about this. I struggle with Christianity every day of my life but it's what I know.

Thank you to everyone who responded I have read them all. I don't know what I'll do but it was helpful to hear that we are both at fault. I am struggling with a lot of things at the moment so I might not respond again but I will look. I don't think either of us are bad people just incompatible.

OP posts:
Anotheronetwo · 15/04/2020 12:50

I am a Christian. I agree that God wants us to grow in holiness and that we should be prepared to face suffering in life. I am not convinved staying in your marriage is the right thing to do. Your marriage is not helping your husband grow in holiness (you don't say if he shares your faith). It is not a good environment to teach your daughter about love and kindness. It is not helping you to live life to the full.
If you separate from your husband you do not have to divorce or remarry if you do not feel these things are right.

SueEllenMishke · 15/04/2020 12:52

You are not expected to suffer in life. Isn't it funny how it's generally women who are the ones who have to suffer?
My DH has never used his intelligence to mock me, he respects me, he showers every day and pulls his weight in the house. That is how it should be.

Anotheronetwo · 15/04/2020 12:54

I guess my questions are: how does your marriage help you/your husband grow in holiness? What is the good purpose of suffering in your marriage?

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