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Dh had an 18 month affair. Will I get over it?

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TysonFurry · 08/03/2020 15:15

Dh and I met when we were 18. We’ve been together for nearly 35 years. We have 1 ds who is 14.

December 2019 I found out he’d been having an affair. He’s admitted to 18 months, and from all the researching through his phone that I’ve done, and bank records etc, I can’t find any trace of this going further back. But I’m very aware of the minimising that will have gone on.

In April 2019 I caught him one night with another phone :(. Big row ensued and I contacted the ow. She asked if I wanted to meet so we did. Her version of events broadly matched his and bizarrely I ended up feeling sorry for her.

The months went on. Dh is adamant he doesn’t want us to split. He loves me and ds unreservedly. We went on holiday in the summer, mainly for ds, but it was much better than I’d expected it to be. The months leading up to Christmas, and Christmas and new year themselves, were very hard as the previous year things had been in full flow with Dh and ow. Again, we put on a show for ds and family we had staying as this was going to be our last family Christmas.

Through the last year we’ve reached the point of splitting about 6 times. But he always talks me round or I get frightened about the future and back down. He is all I’ve ever known. I don’t have many friends and my family are miles away.

I have text ow a few times, eg on the anniversary of the day I found out, a few times in December, and most recently in February. I will admit to having called her some awful things, and wished bad things to happen to her etc. She always replies very measuredly, and I have to say, tactfully. By that I mean that I have heard from friends of friends that she has been completely blindsided by what has happened and is devastated. But she never says things like that to me, just apologises, says she’s as much to blame as he was, completely believed all he was telling her, wishes me well etc. And so far, everything I’ve heard from her tallies with what Dh has told me. Dh has tried to sell the whole thing as a midlife crisis and being just about sex. But I know they did things like go for walks and to pubs and to dinner etc. I suspect he sent her flowers on a couple of occasions too

I just don’t know what to do. Sometimes I’m certain I love Dh and want us to close this horrible chapter. Other times I really hate him and can’t get the thought of them together out of my head. We’ve probably talked more these last 12 months than any other time, we’ve made more effort to go out as a family, as a couple, to socialise, have weekends away etc. I know that he lied to ow, and I actually do believe that she believed him - if that makes sense. But of course I also know he lied to me and I also believed him. He is the very picture of repentance - but he also was between December 2018 and April 2019 when he was in fact back in touch with her.

I’m rambling now! Any ideas on how to proceed?

OP posts:
TysonFurry · 18/03/2020 15:47

Hi @Flower I’m so pleased you’re happy, you sound amazing. I’d been wanting to ask you something about one of your earlier posts. You said But somehow I continued to have these niggling doubts, feeling that he'd not told me the whole story. So one day I hacked his email... It was shocking, and I knew there was no coming back from that. I stayed another 2 years for complex personal reasons, but I was done. Leaving was the best decision for me. It's like a huge burden has been lifted from my shoulder

Can I ask why you had the niggling doubts and what they were? And when you hacked his email did you discover they were still in touch and had been all along? Sorry if these are painful questions for you but this thread has opened my eyes a bit. I’m thinking that I don’t actually know for sure that he’s cut all contact. I mean the second phone has gone but what’s to stop him getting a third? He’s out at work all day and whereas I have access now to his “normal” phone, I don’t really know what he’s doing for most of the day - apart from what he tells me.

Since starting this thread and reading all the wise and supportive posts, I have mooted to him the idea of him moving out. He was almost offended but did say that if that’s what I wanted he’d do it. However, given that he’s self employed, and given the current situation re C19 I don’t know if that’s feasible.

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FlowerArranger · 18/03/2020 16:57

@TysonFurry... I'll respond via PM as this is somewhat personal.

I would just like to mention that you are clearly very unsettled and you do not trust him. I can tell you now: this will be your life if you stay. Always on edge, wondering what the OW really meant to him, whether he told you the whole truth (hint: he didn't...), whether they are still in contact, will he choose her at some point in the future... Your husband is not remorseful, he cannot be bothered to do what he needs to do to make you feel safe.

Seriously, it's no way to live.

Mystraightenersarebroken · 18/03/2020 17:19

No, you won't get over it and he will very likely do it again. Sorry.

TysonFurry · 18/03/2020 17:19

Flower please don’t feel you have to respond - don’t want to put you on the spot at all.

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Acetobacter · 18/03/2020 20:07

It’s very hard to understand someone else’s situation from a few online posts.
But something has gone “wrong”, from his perspective it sounds like needs weren’t sufficiently expressed.

One of the reasons we lie in relationships is a fear of something called “differentiation “ or asserting our “true” self to our partner.

It seems David Schnarch’s writings on the subject are well respected...maybe worth a google?

Acetobacter · 18/03/2020 20:14

I’m not saying you can change “him” per se but some of this stuff is very worth knowing for you in any future relationship.

And if you decide to make another go of it: no one can really tell you for sure how another person will act in future but with skill and perseverance you can “inspire” another person to act differently . There are never any guarantees. The other person must do the work as well.

Whatever happens you either have a great time or you learn something...

GilbertMarkham · 18/03/2020 22:16

from his perspective it sounds like needs weren’t sufficiently expressed.

HmmConfused

Yeah his need to have sex with a woman other than his wife was t being met.

Any other needs could have been expressed/discussed and resolved (or not with the break up of the relationship). That didn't happen because he wanted to have his cake and eat it. Because he was comfortable with cheating, deceiving, lying and making a mockery of his marriage/relationship.

Here's a piece of info for you - sometimes it's not about people's complex "needs" not being met in their relationship; it's about them being selfish and dishonest and not wanting to stick to monogamy but not being honest or fair about about that.

GilbertMarkham · 18/03/2020 22:20

Oh and it's not ops fault if he didnt express such "needs" as you're theorising about ... She doesn't strike me as particularly hard to.soesk to or reason with from this thread. To the contrary she strikes me as too decent, nice, loyal and reasonable for her shit of a DH. He didn't express "needs" because he didn't want to.

The history rewriting he does will differ from that.

Oh sorry he doesn't need to rewrite history all that much because he won't even go to counseling with op and even take part in that charade of blaming op as well as himself for him cheating in her for 18 months.

Thankssomuch · 18/03/2020 22:27

I’m afraid I wouldn’t be able to get over this.

FlowerArranger · 18/03/2020 22:41

... with skill and perseverance you can “inspire” another person to act differently

@Acetobacter... I think the word you are struggling to find is pretzeling...

Google it Hmm

tarasmalatarocks · 18/03/2020 23:36

I hate this constant harping on about ‘needs’ — more often than not it’s not ‘needs’ it’s ‘wants’ and it’s not the same thing.

Thankssomuch · 19/03/2020 21:40

taras well said

TysonFurry · 24/03/2020 00:15

I’ve done so much reading over the last week - thank you for all the recommendations.

I’m a bit frustrated now though as, like everyone else, life is necessarily on hold for a bit. We’ve sort of shelved all relationship discussions as our financial situation is pretty dire.

And I’m embarrassed to admit that I text ow again. It wasn’t a rude text - just asking for clarification because when we met up I was so all over the place that I can’t really remember what was said. She has replied at some length but no real information - lots of words but not much said. Strange thing is I think in another life we could’ve been friends :(.

Stay healthy everyone.

OP posts:
Lynda07 · 24/03/2020 00:24

TysonFury: "Since starting this thread and reading all the wise and supportive posts, I have mooted to him the idea of him moving out. He was almost offended but did say that if that’s what I wanted he’d do it. However, given that he’s self employed, and given the current situation re C19 I don’t know if that’s feasible."
......
The thing is, when the C-19 pandemic is over, whenever that may be, it will be feasible. Use the time now to sort out finances as far as possible and work out the best course of action for you and your child.

Good luck, Tyson, this is such a horrible position for you to be in but it's his fault.

Flowers
IdblowJonSnow · 24/03/2020 00:37

I dont think you're getting over this OP and nor should you.
Time to move forward. Something better is out there for you than this life where you can't trust him. Flowers

TysonFurry · 24/03/2020 13:12

Thank you both for your messages. I am slowly (very slowly) coming round to thinking that this is the end :(. Sod’s law that we’re all cooped up together for the foreseeable.

Ow told me in her latest reply to me that she had loved him and believed all he’d told her. He must have spent considerable time and effort convincing her of that :(.

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ScreamingLadySutch · 24/03/2020 16:11

" I could not live like that, being a placeholder partner for an unengaged man who was not terribly sorry for what he had done to me, just terribly sorry that my distress was now inconveniencing him. You see he loved me in a way, he liked me very much. He enjoyed sex with me and enjoyed my company. He didn't want me to go anywhere (before he was done with me). He even wanted the best for me in an abstract kind of way (as long as it didn't damage his interests). But is that love, not really. "

THIS

FlowerArranger · 24/03/2020 16:43

I agree. Especially this:

he loved me in a way, he liked me very much. He enjoyed sex with me and enjoyed my company

Marieg10 · 24/03/2020 17:24

OP. I haven't commented in your post and won't make it long as you have had so much to read.

A friend of mine found out her husband had cheated. He was similar to your husband and very contrite. All the reasons why he cheated and accepted responsibility etc...

She didn't wasn't to throw away what they had, and feared life alone and gave him another chance. He was the model husband (to her knowledge) and seems changed.

The problem...what happened just continued to eat her up. It was always there. It was a barrier. She couldn't trust him again. She found having sex with him she was thinking of what the OW would have done with him in bed.

After 5 years they split as she couldn't live with it any more. He was devastated and didn't understand.

It was tough but she survived. Took some time and has now started a new relationship.

You need to really understand that you can't ever put it behind you so make decisions with that in mind

All the best

copycopypaste · 24/03/2020 18:03

@Marieg10 your friend was me. I managed 3 yrs before I left. I simply couldn't get past the betrayal no matter what he did. I'm so much happier now having been able to move on

FlowerArranger · 24/03/2020 19:54

Oh yes

TysonFurry · 24/03/2020 23:10

Thank you Marie, I feel sad that your friend wasted five years - I don’t want that to be me. I can identify so much with her wondering about ow all the time, especially during sex. I’m glad she’s happier now.

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TysonFurry · 24/03/2020 23:11

And you too copy, glad you’re happier now.

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ScreamingLadySutch · 27/03/2020 15:15

Tyson from my experience, divorce was a mistake.

Emotionally, it wasn't a mistake I don't have to deal with an emotional toddler 'as though' he was a reasonable, rational fully functioning adult .

But for all the things that are really what life is about? Divorce was a mistake.

The key here is Radical Acceptance. Acceptance that the person you have been with for 35 years has parts of him you know nothing about.

Acceptance that he splits himself into 'dutiful family man' (that's for you, you draggy old frump, you joy stealer you) and 'passionate feeling person' (that's for strangers he actually doesn't know and can project upon)
Acceptance that your dream of really being loved and wanted and being in a team ain't gonna happen.
Acceptance that your innocent trust is gone.
Acceptance that your innocence is gone.
Acceptance of him, for who he REALLY is: a somewhat emotionally retarded soul who splits himself (dutiful and soul dead/passionate and feeling) into compartments and doesn't have the tools to reintegrate those parts together AND DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE THERAPY TO TRY.

Here are the other acceptances:
That he is not all bad.
That he really did love you passionately, once
And in his funny way he does still love you (not the way you would like to be loved, see loss of innocence, above)
That he provides for his family and that is how he shows his love
That this is really stressful and hard (cue split)
That actually, family house home is really, really important
That staying married protects your children
That getting divorced means (see emotional toddler, above) he is available to STRANGERS to really, really fuck up your family structure
That - and listen to me carefully now, this is important:

... divorce = pretty much immediate loss of income, almost always borne by the women and children.

Listen to me now, @TysonFurry!

Grieve hard, grieve silently, grieve deeply at the loss of your hopes and dreams ...

but do not endanger your family by reacting (solicitors, divorce courts)

Divorce, don't get divorced IT STILL HURTS AND IT DOESN'T STOP HURTING. Divorce solves nothing but brings reduced standard of living and strategic dangers.
So get pragmatic. Pragmatic means £££££, family home and protecting your child from enduring 'new snatch in the shape of a stranger' in her face.

His behaviour does not determine your worth.
Hold your head up high, believe in yourself.
His crippled emotional state is not, actually, your problem
He does funnily enough have the right to be whoever he needs to be and be on whatever journey he needs to go on, and you have no control over that. Here is the kicker for him: CONSEQUENCES.
Forge your own new life where your needs become more important and his needs slide right down that f* totem pole
Live as though you are alone
Develop your job, friends, hobbies, sports, community involvelement other support networks that DON'T include what he wants or doesn't want. He forfeited that right when he betrayed you (dispassionately remind him of this when he starts whining)

I wish 10 years ago, there was me-who-had-learned-the-hard-way telling me all this stuff. It would have helped a lot in my decision making process.

I should never have got divorced and reduced the legal protection of marriage from my children (and paradoxically, from him). I should have just left him alone to flail around in his male depression, reduced his emotional power over me and got on with my own life.

Anybody who is in the same boat and in an agony of indecision? Hope you are listening. NONE of this is about the wife or the marriage. So don't compound the £££ damage by making it so.

FlowerArranger · 27/03/2020 15:36

What have I just read Hmm

Divorce, don't get divorced IT STILL HURTS AND IT DOESN'T STOP HURTING.

Actually it does. Once you disengage, much of the pain kind of evaporates. When you're done, you're done. And whole new vistas open up

Divorce solves nothing but brings reduced standard of living and strategic dangers.

Reduced SOL? Maybe yes, maybe no. But nothing is worth the living death of a dead marriage.

So get pragmatic. Pragmatic means £££££, family home and protecting your child from enduring 'new snatch in the shape of a stranger' in her face

WTF... Confused

His behaviour does not determine your worth. Hold your head up high, believe in yourself.

Yep. Any more homespun wisdoms up your sleeve?

Live as though you are alone

While remaining with unrepentent cheater??? No thank you. I prefer to be alone by myself, TYVM.

I may be repeating myself Grin but...

... “The key is in learning how to live a healthy, satisfying, and serene life without being dependent on another person for happiness.”
― Robin Norwood, Women Who Love Too Much

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