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Feel like husband doesn't care

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Chickencuddle · 03/03/2020 12:22

Feel like his priorities are football and sex and then the kids and everything else and then me at the bottom. I know I sound like a spoiled brat. But I dont need much. Just feel like he doesnt care about me.
For example I have been very poorly recently ended up in a and e and still feeling very ill on the way home from A and E he grabbed my hand and made me touch his boner. I was like why have you got a boner now. He was just like "can you sort it out for me."
The kids were asleep in the back but could have woken up at any minute. I said no u felt awful and anyway the kids are in the back and it's not right to do hat when they are there.
He was all aww you could just Bob your head down or use your hand and be discreet.
Etc.
I was talking seriously the other day about going back to work to help with Bill's etc. Maybe doing a short course to get back into work. He wasnt really listening and then just said
Aye well you dont have to sell your body in the meantime.
I was like what? As if I would ever do that and I just feel like that's all he thinks I'm good for.
Asked him to watch the kids for an hour the other day because I was feeling so ill I thought I might pass out and he just complained about not being able to watch football.
The only time he hugs me or is nice to me is if he wants something.
Everything is a sexual innuendo and always dry humping me. I just feel like a piece of meat someti.es and just wish he would back off. Let me get better and be caring.
Am I being a brat or what?

OP posts:
dublingirl66 · 19/09/2020 23:27

This is painful to read v painful

He is AN ABUSIVE BASTARD
YOUR KIDS LIVES ARE BEING RUINED BY HIM AND BY YOU STAYING

FCK THAT
GET OUT

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 20/09/2020 00:44

You think he wants to be with you all because he loves you? He's a fucking abusive control freak! He can't bear for you or your kids to do anything without him. I feel he has some major mental health problems, his behaviour is in no way normal.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 20/09/2020 00:47

Plus, well said @dublingirl66! I think this is the worst thread I've ever read on MN. I feel sick...

Dontjumptoconclusions · 20/09/2020 04:00

OP you spend a lot of time going back and forth and being confused. You need real life help and support. For your sake and your family, try and find it and make it happen. I know you love your kids, show them love by getting the support you need. Your dd will grow up to hate her father and could possibly end up in her own controlling relationship because this is all she has ever known. And I don't know about the other two kids.
Please find help, women's groups, support. Get out of the house uninterrupted. Have some head space. He suffocated you so much you don't even have an opportunity to think or reflect without your phone going off.

Don't worry about missing his family and holidays and Christmas etc... You will find a way to make your own memories with happiness. These are small things compared to him checking your emails (and you can't even confront him because there will be an "atmosphere").

HumptyD · 20/09/2020 07:29

Oh my god he’s a real piece of work. He is extremely controlling.. so he’s dangled a mcds in front of kids faces then playing mind games with her like ohhh I can't seen to find one what’s so bad about her saying there’s one right there?! I’m sorry he sounds like a real creepy weirdo. That's putting it politely. Then made her apologise for being normal and snapping when is what he was aiming for!! Again making her practically beg for a happy meal (the same as the sweets incident).. everything about this screams wrong. Shouting at her everytime she picks a leaf up, he is a bully. That is not parenting. You would not do this, would you! She will grow up and hate him, and unfortunately she may grow up to be like mum.. why do you stay and let him do this To you and us? You have to get them out of this situation it seems like he has some weird hatred towards her, maybe 14 years of doing it to you isn’t giving him the kick he wants anymore and he’s moved on to her. He’s a prick. You can’t stay with him for his family, if they had anything about themselves they would carry on speaking to their grandkids mother even if you had broke up. You too have been in their life 14 years, and if they cut you out then they were never family. I don’t get the impression his stepmum is his biggest fan either. Also, you are so young, one day you WILL meet somebody else, and they will have family and Christmas traditions and holidays etc. That seems so far away now but it will get better and easier, you can’t live in this bully’s shadow forever always on edge as to what mood he will decide to be in that day. It isn’t normal to feel uneasy in your own home due to him. I feel terrible for you and I understand you have no support system etc, but you have to be your children’s support system and just get them out. DD would be better living in a less nice house with less nice things but without him breathing down her neck snapping at her actions, she will become a nervous child. It’s easy for people on the outside to say do this do that, but I really think you should start getting your ducks in a row and get away from this pathetic excuse of a man. Hope your okay today xx

Chickencuddle · 20/09/2020 08:21

Thank you so much for taking time to read and offer me advice and support.
I do think I need to leave. But my course is starting next week I have no money and if I leave now no childcare. It's only 1 day a week but still. I'm thinking if things stay like this I do need to leave but then I also think...now I'm starting the course they will see him less because he will take wednesdays off instead of Saturdays. So I'll have the full day Saturday on my own with the kids which I'm looking forward to. He will have dd2 for 3 hours in the morning and all the kids from around 5 to 10pm. So they will be be asleep for most of it and at home just getting dinner etc. So that's a whole day less really without him. If I leave he will have access without me for 2 days a week and that scares me.
So many more things I meant to write about yesterday but didnt get the chance.
He roared at the kids because he went to greggs and got himself 2 pasties and some donuts. He sat in the car. Put on his playlist and sat on his phone eating them slowly. The kids were bored sat waiting and starter playing in the back. If they needed anything or were too loud he kept telling me to sort it out. Then ds accidentally scratched dd and she started crying and ds said sorry and started crying because he felt bad
Husband went mad shoting at them both and said they had both lost all their stickers off their sticker chart. I said no they havnt they havnt done anything wrong. He went on a bit about how they are disturbing him etc but did leave it in the end. But I am seeing that he just has to have everything how he wants it and doesnt realise that things happen sometimes that interrupt his time.
There was more but I cant remember now.
Sorry for the next part and how gross it sounds....I'm cringing before I even write it.
So last night he started touching me and pushing his boner into my leg. I was half asleep and ignored him. He kept doing it then tried to get me to have sex. I said I'm sorry I'm so tired...its 1am and I need sleep. He kept on a Tiny but but then stopped when I said no and I was kind of impressed. Then I went to sleep and woke up s few times with him touching me. I kept moving his hand telling him to stop I'm sleeping etc.
Then he left me for a bit I must have gone into a deep sleep because next time I woke he was touching and obviously had been for a while. I ended up letting him and I actually enjoyed it in the end. I feel so embarrassed admitting that.
Then after he went to sleep straight away and I felt so wierd. I just lay there and couldn't sleep the whole night. I enjoyed it in the end (and so did he) but I felt wierd because I still said no and he still carried on so it's a bit conflicted if that makes sense.

Anyway with leaving I have gone from not being able to imagine life without him months ago and crying at the thought. To thinking about being on my own quote alot. Sometimes looking forward to it and sometimes being scared and a little sad but nothing like before and thinking in my head it's something that is going to happen. But I'm thinking first I need to get settled on this course and get some money saved and get more information etc.
I have tried womens aid but they couldn't really do much for me at the moment due to covid. I got a support worker and we were emailing but every time I asked her a big question she would say it was hard to discuss over email and when covid was over we could meet up and discuss properly. But who knows when that will be. So I dont really know where to start with support. I also dont have any time really on my own to sort anything.

OP posts:
ALLIS0N · 20/09/2020 08:34

I understand that sometimes you enjoy having sex with him and other times you don’t. However that doesn’t change the fact that he’s abusing your kids.

Once your kids start to talk about this to a teacher or nursery worker, they will involve social services and then you won’t have a choice.

Chickencuddle · 20/09/2020 08:38

I'm not saying I'm staying because sometimes I enjoy sex. I'm saying I was confused about last night because I ended up enjoying it then felt guilty after and wierd.
I would love to just be able to leave go get a house now and everything work out but it's more complicated than that. I need to save a bit of money get settled on course and no idea where to start.

OP posts:
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ALLIS0N · 20/09/2020 08:54

I understand you feel guilty and weird after the sex , it’s ok to feel like this. However your feelings about him and she with him are not the most important thing here.

Your children are being abused and you need to put them first.

He has no interest in them and is highly Unlikely to have them two days a week if you leave. He doesn’t even like them - they annoy him and stop him doing what he wants.

No one thinks it’s easy to walk out the door and into a new house. But many posters have explained to you how you can start.

This is what a poster told you in April .

  1. You can go to a refuge. There are refuges for women and children. This would be a temporary solution. It provides a safe space for you and the children where you won't be subjected to constant abuse. At the refuge are support workers who can give you advice and help for the long term for example, your legal options or finding somewhere else to live etc You have been given a list of all refuges in NI. It is better to go somewhere outside your county for safety reasons.
  1. You could apply for an Occupation Order. An Occupation Order gets your husband out of the house. He won't be allowed to live there and will have to move somewhere else. An Occupation Order is sometimes combined with 3.
  1. Non Molestation Order. A Non Molestation Order is written specifically for the situation involved and you can even have a Non Molestation Order whilst living with an abuser. It spells out the kind of behaviour he can't do, for example, sexually assault you. It is a criminal offence to breach a Non Molestation Order and carries the power of arrest.
  1. You can divorce. I don't need to explain what that means. Family Law solicitors are still working and there is nothing stopping you from divorcing.
  1. You can contact the police and discuss your options with them. They also have powers to remove the abuser from the house and prevent him from contacting you.
  1. You could look into renting elsewhere, taking the children and going.
  1. You can ask him to move out. Perhaps contact the police, explain the situation and have him escorted from the premises if you feel unsafe doing that alone.

These are your options unless NI has other options I'm not aware of. You have been given the contact details for Gingerbread up thread and you can look it up online. Gingerbread can give you information on life as a single parent and everything that entails, for example, what benefits you are entitled to, maintenance, child contact arrangements etc

You have also been given the details of a free legal advice organisation in NI who can either advise on your legal options or signpost you somewhere that can.

You have also been given the details of a free general advice line in NI that can answer many of your questions on for example, benefits, child maintenance, paying for rent or a mortgage and finding a solicitor.

I don't know why WA refuse to discuss any of this with you; the only possibility is because they believe it may put you at risk to do so because your husband is always there

ALLIS0N · 20/09/2020 08:59

That post I quoted was from

12345kbm Wed 22-Apr-20

Just to give credit where it’s due .

ReallySpicyCurry · 20/09/2020 09:19

OP could you arrange to meet with the WA support worker now that the kids are back to school? You could tell him you're meeting your friend with the little ones.

emilybrontescorsett · 20/09/2020 09:29

Op your dh is abusive to you and your dcs, especially your eldest daughter. He treats her like dirt . This is where she will learn how to be. Her relationships will be designed around this treatment. Her bar will be set very low. Do you want her to settle for a relationship like yours? Do you want her to be treated like you are?
Your dh sounds vile.
If you can't leave for yourself then do it for your child.
I know it's easy for a stranger to say but trust me, your dd will thank you.
Children do not grow up thinking ' Oh I do wish my parents had stayed together so I could endure all the abuse, shouting, fighting and arguing, and general shit atmosphere.' I know plenty of adults who wished their parents hadn't stayed together.

ReallySpicyCurry · 20/09/2020 09:32

Good thing you're not the thread police then ukgift, it's not for you to decide whether the thread is of benefit or not. If it was really easy to leave an abusive marriage then the world would be a much better place, but sadly it isn't and frankly it takes longer than a few months to throw off the shackles of a lifetime of abuse. OP has managed to get further than many women do just by contacting WA at the height of the pandemic, with her abusive husband at home 24/7. Give her a break.

HumptyD · 20/09/2020 10:02

I agree with the last poster and I would hate for you to ever not come to this group to get it off your chest. If this is all the support you have then so be it, don’t ever be embarrassed. Your body physically
Enjoying being touched isn’t your fault, but in your mind you know he shouldn’t have done it when you said no, then fell ASLEEP. Like wtf is wrong with him.. what makes him lay there waiting for you to fall asleep and think right him going to play with her for abit now.. I don’t get what he Gets out of it, does he play with himself at the same time? He really does think he owns you and can do what he likes and when he likes. Glad your course is starting, also try and save anything you can.. even if it’s saying you need £20 for fuel and putting £15 in.. the car needs washing I need £7 but using the cheaper option on the drive through ones etc, cash back at super markets doesn’t show up on your banking either it just adds onto your shopping Total! Here for you xx

noirchatsdeux · 20/09/2020 10:22

You do realise your kids are going to end up hating you as much as they hate him?

My mother kow-towed to my father my whole childhood. Didn't matter how much me and my two brothers suffered because of his actions, she cared more about her marriage than her children. He ended up leaving her for another woman when I was 21.

I'm now being treated for C-PTSD because of my childhood. I've had no contact with my father for 30 years, and deliberately live on the other side of the world from my mother. I've seen her for the grand total of 3 months in 25 years....at this point I've not seen her in 11 years. I blame her just as much as him - in fact more, because she had ample opportunities to stop what was going on but cared more about herself.

Forget the course and leave. You can always start it next year.

dublingirl66 · 20/09/2020 10:31

He is also pushing you in sex

Ughhh he is vile

Reminds me of my awful ex
The one who tried to kill me

Your innocent kids need more than this
You all need out

Plus his family will be there to see you all without him course they will
Let that not put you off
He is awful !!

Very soon if it has not already happened these innocent kids will he damaged for life

He is a total bully

Reminds me of how my abuser wouldn't let me tell my 5-6 week old baby how cute she was !!
These men are vile

He will get worse

Please listen to the sensible ladies on here
I beg you

Flower8 · 20/09/2020 10:41

Oh this makes me so sad, I've been there, I've been in a relationship exactly the same as you. It doesn't get better, and it doesn't change, and I'm sure he makes you feel like you're the wierd one.

Leave, please just leave, leave for your children, what example are you setting about relationships to them.

It will be hard and it may take a bit of time to find your feet but honestly it will be the. Best thing you will ever do. Being forced into sex isn't normal, it took me such a long time to realise this, and to realise it's not normal to feel so disgusting and upset after

Chickencuddle · 20/09/2020 12:50

Sorry not much time to reply right now but....people saying leave for your children and selfish staying for myself/the course etc.
Everything I do comes down to the kids and what's best for them.
I stay because I worry about them being alone with him at weekends or whatever days he gets
I am doing the course for them. So that when I leave I have money and a job and I can afford to maybe live in this house and not have to move them all away from home and probably away from their school and friends. Everything I do is for them. I wanted to be a nurse but this is something I can do quickly and get a job easily and still be there...for them! I know I will probably have to leave. I know that but I cant jyst go right this minute. I am saving up money. I am working towards being able to support myself so that I have more on my side and can guarantee that I get the most access to the kids.

OP posts:
Chickencuddle · 20/09/2020 12:53

Also yes sometimes I get confused and worried what if it's me. What if I'm making things into a bid deal what if I'm too sensitive. Things I have been told even in childhood. So I cant help but feel like everything is my fault all the time it's just something ingrained in me....its confusing but posting on here helps bring myself clarity and really helps with people telling me it's wrong. I'm stronger than I was already. I know you dont think I am.. but I know it. I stand up to him alot more.
I will read the options and think of them properly later when have time

OP posts:
Welshgal85 · 20/09/2020 13:02

OP your husband sounds awful and it must be exhausting constantly having to deal with everything he is doing. Like others have said, I wouldn’t worry too much about sharing childcare if you do split because I’d bet the kids either won’t want to see him because of how awful he is or he won’t stick to the plans to see them. He sounds incredibly selfish and doesn’t seem to ever want what’s best for you and the kids.

I wouldn’t find it so difficult to be with someone like this where he is just constantly thinking about his own wants and needs all the time and you and the kids have to tip toe around him.

Could you maybe meet with Women’s aid but tell him you are doing something to do with your course so he will just think you are doing that? I understand that it is not easy to just leave and this relationship is all you know but really think about the impact this is having on you and also the kids. How long can this continue? It is not good for any of you. You are a very strong person to put up with all of this but remember you deserve to be happy and this relationship is not making you happy. You deserve so much more from life

dublingirl66 · 20/09/2020 13:39

Sharing childcare? Let's see what the courts would think about handing these innocents over to an abuser
He is vile

I know it is so easy for me to say from a distance BUT
As someone who has been through this I would say
Contact police
Press charges
He can apply to family court if he wants access

Start a new
HAPPY
PEACEFULL life

These poor kids

In my work I see the long lasting negative effects of abuse and it is heartbreaking

We are here to help
WA can helps
Rights of women can help

So many ways to get help here I beg you

GoldfishParade · 20/09/2020 13:50

You're worried about moving your kids away? Why? Presumably you would be staying local? I grew up as an expat kid. We literally moved country every three years. You are being advised to move down the road.

Your children and especially your daughter are being abused. They are being psychologically broken, right before your eyes. They will grow up to have zero faith on themselves, zero confidence, nervy and jumpy.

Your daughter may well grow up to marry a man who shouts at her and gives her no freedom. Because that's what she knows. Your son meanwhile may well grow up to have so much repressed anger and an over keen sense of self control, that he becomes the man his father is.

You need to get out. If you think you are staying for the kids you are kidding yourself. Your children need to be leaving with you, in a place where they can have hot chocolate on the evening, where they are not shouted at for stepping in a puddle or hastily bullied for picking a flower.

Whatever about the childcare and the course. Once you leave you will make a new thread and the people on here will help you figure it out.

You need to leave.

So what that he was there since you've been 17? People break up with childhood sweethearts every day. So what if you miss out on family christmases? When you leave you will make your own family - probably composed of other women who have come through it all, female friends you will make who are as tough as you will have learnt to be.

Get out now.

Let's talk practicalities. Do you have savings? Do you have your own bank account? Have you changed your email password? Do you have anybody locally, a friend, or even just someone who you somehow got a good vibe from? Someone who you think might be able to help you? Do you work part time or full time? I'm sorry if you have already mentioned these things further hp the thread.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 20/09/2020 13:52

I can tell you are stronger OP by your updates. Never doubt yourself though, none of it is your fault, he's the one with the problems. It's good you're planning for the future. Keep your plans in mind and get hold of as much money as you can along with the appropriate documents. Stay on here for moral support and keep looking out for your kids especially your eldest.

dublingirl66 · 20/09/2020 16:14

You sound stronger yes

Please believe you deserve better all of you xxx

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