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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

OP posts:
sofato5miles · 26/01/2020 04:05

@DeTwamps you said that deliberately to hurt OP. Nasty

airbags · 26/01/2020 05:56

"We shared diaries by mutual consent"
...... not really, you could see it due to work. His coded entries shows he felt you'd overstepped the mark. You abused the privilege of access to his work diary. You shouldn't assume that he'll be spending all of his (increasing) London time with you. Sounds like a lack of communication.
If I had a job involving hard work, travel and client dinners until 11pm I don't think I'd want to feel obliged to then go to my O.H place every time.
As for sitting outside his hotel...weird... what did you think you'd see?
His reaction is also disproportionate. Maybe it's run it's course? Hope it doesn't affect your job.

thickwoollytights · 26/01/2020 06:22

You're a stalker - red flag

He wants contact and communications on his terms - red flag

KatherineJaneway · 26/01/2020 06:34

I'd worry about a relationship of a year where my bf couldn't tell me he was shattered and needed a rest. Even more so that he couldn't have down time with me that was his rest.

Starksforthewin · 26/01/2020 06:39

You are both exhibiting Red Flag behaviours.

I hope you are not discussing the drama with colleagues, you need to protect your reputation at work.

Forget him, he’s not for you.

Firecat84 · 26/01/2020 06:51

Massive red flag from him. Just end it and stick to that (but tell him you've ended it). He obviously doesn't want a proper relationship with you or he'd be open about where he is.

aSofaNearYou · 26/01/2020 07:10

I think the only thing you did wrong was follow him to his hotel room, you definitely need to reflect on that and avoid doing it again, but I wouldn't mention it to him. At the end of the day he sounds gaslighting, hot and cold and hard work. He has also been pretty rude where it wasn't necessary. Avoid at all costs, you're clearly not good for each other.

Sleephead1 · 26/01/2020 07:22

Hi op you know you said he would be spending more time in London is it just the case that he comes for one night/ meeting/ client dinner ect sleeps then leaves ? If so I can sort of see that on occasion he may be exausted and just want to sleep and then go but at the same time I understand you would be upset. My take on it is that as he knows hes going to be in London more but knows maybe he doesn't necessarily always want to see you he has just tried to avoid the conversation rather than have to justify it to you. How do you think you would have reacted he said he was in london but was too tired to see you ? Have you had conversations about the future ect is one of you planning on moving ? I think you want more time together if possible and if he doesn't/ or is happy with current arrangements then how is your relationship going to progress. I think the disappearing on him was not nice and it's horrible for anyone to have that happen to them I think you need to be honest if you are looking for more commitment / time and see what he says to that. I wouldnt mention the hotel ect just say that him coming to london but not telling you made you think are you on the same page and you needed to consider if this would work long term.

Itsallpointless · 26/01/2020 07:22

Thing is now OP, you just don't trust him, hence the 'stalking', which I don't think is a massive deal if I'm honest, I think I'd have done exactly that, and I'm not in any way, shape or form, deranged!

I don't think you should've cut him off with no contact, that was rather juvenile. You need to establish what your relationship status is, are you permanent and exclusive, or FWB. If he agrees the former, then I can't see why he wouldn't tell you when he's in London, even if he couldn't see you.

The fact you only see each other based on your work diary schedule is ratherHmmdo you not spend weekends together? The flight between Geneva/London is very commutable!

damnthatanxiety · 26/01/2020 07:29

You ST is covered he was in London through a company bulletin. Having promise he would let you know when he was in London, he didn't. It's pretty easy to point this out to him.

StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 07:38

He is clearly stressed, tired and wanted some boundaries and time to himself when he was not having expectations placed on him.

You responded by kicking off and then by stalking him outside his hotel.

Then you ghosted him, for a long time.

Sorry, but YABU.

redcarbluecar · 26/01/2020 07:41

It doesn’t sound like a very healthy relationship and I think you made the right decision to end it, from what you’ve said. Maybe you could have given him some sort of explanation though (not necessarily the full truth), instead of just ignoring contact. Hope things resolve themselves.

Newmetoday · 26/01/2020 07:42

You are in the wrong. If the man did this no one would defend him

VivaLeBeaver · 26/01/2020 07:50

Well he’s lied to you. He said he’d be upfront with you about future London trips but communicate if too tired to meet and obviously has no intention of sticking to that. Hence the coding of his calendar and not telling you about the next trip.

I’d bin him for that alone. You don’t have to give him a lengthy explanation. Just tell him you’ve decided the long distance relationship thing isn’t working for you. Perfectly reasonable.

I do agree that he’s not as in to you as you are to him. When it was all on his terms of when he saw you and when he didn’t it was ok.

Lumene · 26/01/2020 07:57

Red flags on both sides IMO. You need to either be able to talk about and resolve the issues or end it.

tenredthings · 26/01/2020 08:11

Lack of honest communication here. He doesn't want to feel obliged to see you just because he's in the same town. He wants to feel free, instead of saying this he focused on you monitoring his movements.
You felt rejected by this and stalked him, then felt so wierded out you punished him by ghosting him which was cruel.
You've both got to be much more honest and open with each other.
I would not be ok with someone knowing exactly where I was and when, even if they were the love of my life.

Auridon4life · 26/01/2020 08:25

What does his wife think? He's been caught out and he's weird.

Halloweenbabyy · 26/01/2020 08:31

Your the red flag.

AdultHumanFemale · 26/01/2020 08:31

Perhaps a cultural thing (assuming he's Swiss)?
I'm northern European, and have had conversations about this kind of thing with UK friends; I find intensity overbearing and am much more inclined to give a partner lots of space and expect the same in return. I perceive that the quality of a romantic relationship goes up the more space there is (as does trust). To have access to each other's diaries is one thing, but to actually check, for romantic purposes, while at work, strikes me as odd. But perhaps I, like your Swiss (?) colleague, are just natural compartmentalisers. I would be creeped out if my colleague / lover checked my work diary for romantic purposes.

insanepizza · 26/01/2020 08:31

I think neither of you if you have behaved particularly well. I do t think he should have to see you every time he's in London but I don't think he should lie about it.

Your stalker like tendencies are not good.

Call it time, neither of you are bringing out the best in each other. You don't have to admit the hotel thing just tell him it has run its course and you now need to be on your own.

onanothertrain · 26/01/2020 08:40

You behaviour is a huge red flag. You overstepped his boundaries, got annoyed, stalked him and then ghosted him. You are to blame.

StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 08:44

“ Well he’s lied to you. He said he’d be upfront with you about future London trips but communicate if too tired to meet and obviously has no intention of sticking to that.“

It is entirely ok to lie to protect yourself and to avoid being hassled.

People simply should not hassle others or make people feel like they need to lie.

The guy clearly knew OP would kick off if he didn’t do exactly as he wanted, and he sought to avoid that. Fair enough.

elociN5 · 26/01/2020 09:13

I am sorry he's been such a shit and I agree with those who say end it.
My OH read it and his comment Is "It is obvious he is shagging someone else but doesn't want to let go of you and therefore still paying you extra attention once you disappear. I bet he never promised to be faithful you just expect it but effectively you are both free agents. Definitely another woman."

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 09:33

To put it crudely, you were his London fuck. Now that he's going to be there more often, he doesn't want you to be his girlfriend.
Stop stalking him. That's weird.
You're just a fuck basically. He doesn't want anything else.

If you read the thread you'd see they' ve been meeting in both London and Geneva for 2/3 days a week.

But you're too busy kicking someone online.

I don't think she's been just a fuck for him but I really don't know if he's as committed or invested as op.

StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 09:36

To put it crudely, you were his London fuck. Now that he's going to be there more often, he doesn't want you to be his girlfriend.
Stop stalking him. That's weird.
You're just a fuck basically. He doesn't want anything else.

If that were the case why has he now turned up at her desk, concerned at having been ghosted. Did you bother to read any of this?

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