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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

OP posts:
Tatiannatomasina · 25/01/2020 23:59

If feels like he has moved the goal posts, and its made you feel uneasy. I would too. Not sure if you can go back to what you had, so where does that leave you now?

NuovaMoi · 26/01/2020 00:01

All that matters is this: does being with this person make you feel more like yourself or less like yourself?

If it’s the latter, it’s time to end it x

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:01

I'm not sure what the right "solution" here is but don't tell him you installed yourself in a bar across the street from his hotel to check on him, when you see him for thevtalk. - or ever. Ever.Grin

You really don't want that sort of thing getting back to work colleagues etc.

It's hard to say but it sounds like the novelty/shine/intensity/honeymoon period had worn off for him, so he's prioritising rest etc. over seeing you. He didn't realise you were looking at his diary and that you'd find that out. Then when he agreed he'd let you know he was in London whether he was seeing you or not, he wasn't really being honest/straight (or he was at the time but changed his mind afterward) ... He probably thinks that if he lets you know, you'll.try to persuade him to meet up, or he'll feel bad not meeting up and pressure will be on him to do so; ultimately he'll feel he has to meet up even if he doesn't want to. That's presumably why he encoded the diary (and didn't tell you a second time).

The diary thing is actually quite stupid in a way - because he should have known you might check it and that you'd wonder why it was now encoded, with the obvious answer that he didn't want you to be able to see when he's in London. Why would he change it otherwise .... You have this incident and argument about it, and his diary entries coincidentally begin to be encoded ... I mean, he's supposed to be bright I presume Hmm.

Anyway .. to me the novelty/honeymoon period had worn off for him and that's behind the lack of prioritisation of seeing you (it doesn't seem to be someone else but who knows for sure) ... That doesn't necessarily mean he no longer cares at all and would not continue the relationship to become serious etc. He may well continue progress it later, in time (it's not a v long relationship). Equally it may be a sign that he will ramp it down from.his side, let it peeter out. - only he knows. (And sometimes people aren't even sure of that themselves).

Whichever it is - this guy and this situation has the capacity to make you look proper crazy in your work place (you staking out you colleague/bf's hotel, him having you change his diary/location entries to codes so you don't know where he is etc), which you really don't want. Think carefully about that no matter what you chose to do.

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:03

*choose

Booberella9 · 26/01/2020 00:05

He's just not that into you.

He's being a twat about it. So rather than waiting for him to say it with words, consider that his actions have said it loud and clear.

Walk away, you deserve better

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:05

"him having to change

MMmomDD · 26/01/2020 00:05

I think a few things are wrong here.
His behaviour was clearly sending a message that the relationship has stopped progressing. Instead of getting closer, and figuring out some sort of joint longer term plan of spending more time together - he was building in a distance, ensuring its permanent. And his reaction to how you reacted is very telling - he got scared and clearly doesn’t want more from it, and you clearly do.
Basically - it seems that you think it’s a relationship that will get closer in the future, and he is happy to keep it at status quo, or even a little less frequent I the time you spend together.
It’s perfectly Ok to be tired and not see each other every time, given your jobs setup. It is NOT Ok to try to achieve that by lying or withholding information.
It is also NOT OK to tell you he is going to be open and communicate and then change his diary entries. It’s plain stupid, come to think of it. Or else - it’s meant to send a signal.

Now, you. It’s clearly a little mental to go and stalk him at his hotel.
But more importantly, it’s NOT OK to just disappear and not communicate. Essentially ghosting him, even if temporarily. It’s cowardly and cruel. Immature as well.

So - you need to talk to him. Tell him how you are feeling and what you want.
You don’t need to mention the night by the hotel. But you can tell him that you were hurt and you knew he was in London and didn’t tell you again. And that was a break of trust.
You can also tell him that it appears you two have different expectations for the relationship. You want more closeness. He wants distance. Is that a fair summary?
Maybe this will end you or maybe it would start a discussion and you figure out some next phase.
Did you two ever even discuss some long term plan for the two of you?

FUNSIZEDMARSBAR · 26/01/2020 00:06
  1. You went through his diary
  2. You stalked him.
  3. He called you out on your behaviour and your acting like he's the one in the wrong.

If a guy did this to a woman, everyone would be suggesting to her to get a avo.

It's creepy and disturbing that you thought this was okay. He is entitled to rest.

Honeyroar · 26/01/2020 00:06

I’d just tell him that you’re breaking it off because you don’t feel like it’s going anywhere and you feel it’s a bit “ all on his terms”. Just say his reaction to you having looked at his diary was a complete turn off for you.

It’s one thing for him to be in London, with you knowing, and to say “I’m going to stay in on my own tonight, I’m knackered”, but it’s completely weird to be in London and not wanting you to know. I can’t see the point of continuing. It’s been a year, it’s still sounding like dating more than a relationship and it’s making you do strange things because it doesn’t feel right to you. Time to move on.

sofato5miles · 26/01/2020 00:06

It doesn't really matter why you both got to this point because he you are. The relationship has deteriorated to a point of no return.

I think now you should go for a dignified exit. Apologise for your odd behaviour and leave it. It is clearly no longer working in a healthy manner for either of you.

saraclara · 26/01/2020 00:07

Yours are the bigger and more numerous red flags.

To be honest, even if I knew you had access to my calendar, I'd be annoyed that you used it to check on me, and expected me to always let you know when I'm in London. Just because he's there doesn't mean he HAS to see you, you know. Maybe he just wants to get his meeting over and then chill and have an early night. Just like people who live in the same town as their BF/GF often do.

You were possessive and stalkery, and then you ghosted him. That's pretty bad, and if the sexes were swapped, this thread would be going an entirely different way. I don't know why so many people are blaming him.

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:09

Two other things - if you got serious long-term one of you would have to move. Do you think he would? Would you want to? Geneva is one if the most expensive cities on the planet and unless you're in silly money it's hard to haveve a good standard if living, to get in the housing ladder etc, the Swiss there are a bit insular & miserable (though I suppose you can hang out with ex pats) etc.

Secondly, is he French? French blokes are notorious for cheating .. seems like a terrible generalisation but I know quite a few people who think the generalisation is accurate.

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:12

You don’t need to mention the night by the hotel.

Yeah definitely do not tell him, or anyone in your company, about that - that'd be hard to live down.

justrestinginmybankaccount · 26/01/2020 00:15

Hi, so you’ve been seeing each other a year. Is that all you do - meet privately in an apartment/hotel? Do you go out together? Is your relationship public to any close friends in work?

I don’t know something seems odd about it all.

I’m sorry you were made feel so unnerved and upset. I don’t think I’d even recommend talking to him, I’m not sure he is being honest with you (I don’t mean he’s having an affair or anything) but he isn’t being clear about what’s changed.

MrsDesireeCarthorse · 26/01/2020 00:19

You behaved bizarrely and I understand why he did what he did.

hiphiphoorayback · 26/01/2020 00:23

I think I would finish it too. He is making you feel odd. He should be dying to get together with you If only to crash out asleep next to you. It is all too odd.

It 's not very romantic tbh. Coding a diary etc a bad match and sounds like he is using you sorry op.

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:23

It's creepy and disturbing that you thought this was okay.

The hotel thing aside, op has said she was initially looking at his diary, seeing where he was and imagining what he was doing in a romantic way ... And I believe her. They have been in a relationship for a year, but they've only been seeing each other once a week for a day or two, live in different countries and op was obviously thinking about him, and looked up where he was etc in an innocent, romantic way. He was texting her etc every day, they were bf and gf etc ....

The latest diary checking thing was different of course.

I think that op's hurt and somewhat angry reaction to realising he was in her town/country and not telling her let alone meeting her is also understandable, given it was a departure from their previous standard - and (tiredness aside) it is hurtful for someone youve been seeing (and intimate with) to not even tell you they're in the same place as you or want to meet.

Yes, op's reaction would've made him feel pressured and bit hassled, but I don't think her reaction is much different from how the majority of people would react.

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2020 00:26

So he’s basically compartmentalised you in this relationship. You’re in a box, handily distant, that he opens when he wants, and shuts when he wants. He thus avoids commitment and real intimacy.

He only wants you in the box marked ‘fireside’ he doesn’t want you out of that box or in any other part of his his life, it’s all under his control.

So he will come to London and sometimes he will want to see you and sometimes he won’t. If you question that - you are getting out of your box.

So he shares a calendar with you and you look at it and ask questions - you’re out of your box and the box is rumbled. That’s why he was so angry.

I understand why you checked up on him, because you have invested all this time in him and you want to know who he is. Now you know, or rather you know now that you don’t know him at all.

You made the right decision to bin him.

But in doing that he lost control and felt rejected hence his anger.

Ignore the posters telling you you’re the problem. It’s him not you.

2020BetterBeBetter · 26/01/2020 00:27

I don’t think he is as interested as you are in the relationship and I’d be running miles from someone who has acted the way you have.

Regardless of his reasons for not wanting to tell you and see you when in London, trust is now lacking in the relationship so there is no point continuing it.

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:27

I get the impression he's ramping the relationship down (even before op found out he was not letting her know he was in town and skipping opportunities to meet her) and op should probably stick ending the relationship - because it seems more likely he will not commit long-term than the reverse.

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2020 00:33

I’d just tell him that you’re breaking it off because you don’t feel like it’s going anywhere and you feel it’s a bit “ all on his terms”. Just say his reaction to you having looked at his diary was a complete turn off for you.

This.

It’s a facade of a relationship, the outer crust without the inner connection. If he doesn’t realise that he knows nothing about relationships at all.

I don’t see why you can’t tell him you don’t trust him. You don’t have to tell him about the hotel. Although may play that as trust issues of yours.

It’s more to the point though that after a year you don’t know him at all. He’s weird, he plays games, he’s secretive, you’re over it. That’s all he needs to know.

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:34

The trouble is that if I break it off for this reason I feel he will just use it to make me look like more of a stalker. Ie if I say “you’ve coded your diary, and you were in London and didn’t tell me so I don’t trust you anymore” he could easily take that out of context, like he has done everything else

Then maybe don't mention anything about knowing that he's coded his diary (and definitely not that you stayed out his hotel) - just that you feel he's not as keen as he was - as evidenced by his not letting you know when he was in London or wanting to see you) - and at this point (a year in) it seems like that's not a sign the relationship had legs long-term and you don't want to invest more time etc etc.

Of you don't have to say anything much at all, just that you don't think.its working for either of you anymore, and all that jazz.

Minimal info., damage limitation and dignity first is def the way to go here - this could have an effect on your career and professional reputation.

GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 00:35

*Or

BumbleBeee69 · 26/01/2020 00:37

I think your behaviour was very unreasonable and yes, stalkerish. You spied on him then went underground leaving him to wonder what on earth had happened. I don't suppose either of you covered yourselves with glory but you were way, way out of order here (IMHO)

I have to agree...

and he could simply be knackered after flying/meeting/dinner .. but seriously ... turning up at his Hotel to watch him arrive back OMFG... that's just wrong Confused

DickDewy · 26/01/2020 00:38

He’s clearly not that into you, but likes to have you there if he fancies it.

You sound overly intense and the stalking bit is just crazy.

You need to move on and stop wasting your time.

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