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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

648 replies

aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

OP posts:
SubordinateThatClause · 26/01/2020 01:28

If he's playing games like that after a year, I would say this is not a good relationship to be in. How could you trust him?

Oh - and I think quite a few of us have done midnight drive bys if we're truly honest Wink

Musti · 26/01/2020 01:33

My thoughts are that at the beginning of any relationship you want to see each other as much as possible, often at the cost of everything else.

Once you've been together for a while, you become a bit more laid back and it's not the end all and be all to see each other as much as possible. It sounds like he feels guilty about wanting to rest instead of seeing you - because travelling and working is tiring.

I think the key is to communicate and be understanding of each other's needs.

I presume that you've met his family and friends and been to his house etc so he's not leading a double life? To me, waiting at his hotel is a bit OTT but at least you saw that he was on his own so not lying?

TheNestedIf · 26/01/2020 01:34

It sounds to me like he needs time for you, time for work and down time. You sound like you need more time together and cannot allow him the down time, so he has become secretive about it. You have then taken exception and have not exactly dumped him in a kind manner.

Ultimately, if you need a closer relationship and this isn't for you, that is not wrong, but I don't think he has done anything particularly wrong either.

Redshoeblueshoe · 26/01/2020 01:40

I agree with Tania
He is the problem.
Walk away or run very fast

BraveGoldie · 26/01/2020 01:42

OP I think you are far more red flaggy than he is I am afraid. Both for the hotel thing and for cutting him off without an explanation because you did something awful! That's two bits of treatment in a row that he really didn't deserve.

I also think it is totally reasonable he wouldn't always want to see you when in London and totally reasonable that he wouldn't want his girlfriend studying his calendar, which she has access to for professional not personal reasons.

I dong think it was unreasonable to look at his calendar in the first place if you guys hadn't worked our expectations, but after that, I think this is all on you.....

DeTwamps · 26/01/2020 01:49

What the hell is a codified calendar btw?

BringMeAGinandTonic · 26/01/2020 01:56

I think the bottom line is you do not trust him and that's really all there is to it.

I do wonder what will happen Wednesday and if you want to share that, please do. No pressure if not.

PatellarTendonitis · 26/01/2020 02:00

Oh, JFC, this isn't some big relationship. It's a ride. Just see it for what it is: a ride. Rides finish and are over. Why make a fool out of yourself for it?

My thoughts are that at the beginning of any relationship you want to see each other as much as possible, often at the cost of everything else.

Seriously, who is this intense? That would send me running for the hills.

Eek. Just no.

Seems maybe you have crossed wires about the depth of the relationship but honestly, once you realise this, the best thing is to walk away with your dignity intact.

Surely.

Deadsouls · 26/01/2020 02:05

You know at the end of your post, you said, I can't tell why but it doesn't feel right (something like that). Well I believe that's your intuition telling you something. That this isn't sitting right with you.

If this open and above board, he wouldn't feel the need to become so defensive as to start accusing you of stalking him (although that's what you ended up doing because of doubting your reality). He's made you the problem.

An expectation has been set up by the previous pattern of contact and he suddenly changed it without communicating this to you. And by the way it is not wrong to have expectations or a need for a measure of consistency and security within a long-ish term relationship.

Of course it would hurt to be told that you shouldn't 'expect' to see everytime he is in London, especially since prior to this, that is exactly what happened. He's making you the one at fault for having an expectation that was set up in the first place.

If the agreement was that you had access to each others diaries, it is not then 'stalker-ish' to then have knowledge of and to look at the diary, despite what he says.

He has moved the goalposts without telling you and tbh sounds terribly guilty and defensive about it all. Then theres the over the top frantic- ness of his reaction when you cut him off. It seems like a guilty conscience. If your intuition is telling you something is off, it because it probably is.

AllyBamma · 26/01/2020 02:06

Aw OP I think you’re getting it a bit rough here. I think I see where you’re coming from and I think you’ll agree that perhaps some of your choices could have been better.

Each relationship has its own rules. You mutually accessed each other’s work diaries and the norm was that when he was in London, you would see each other. Then without warning, he moved the goal posts and changed the tone of your relationship completely. Thus making you doubt your relationship (hello gaslighting) and you’re left wondering if you imagined how close you were getting. He should have spoken to you if he wanted to change the relationship rules so you weren’t blind sided.

Then you spoke again about how he would at least let you know when he was in London even if you weren’t going to see each other. A reasonable compromise. But then he went against this again. Not fair.

And then I think that’s when it’s started unravel a bit for you here with going to his hotel etc. You completely lost the high ground here and come across a bit unhinged. Imagine if you had a friend who told you her boyfriend was waiting outside her hotel for her. You really should have just been straightforward with him and said ‘if you don’t want to tell me when you’re in London then that’s fine but don’t say one thing and do another. We clearly want different things so let’s just leave it there’

I agree with PP that he wanted this relationship on his terms only. Ghosting him wasn’t a great idea either but I think you know that too.

I think ultimately you two aren’t well suited and the long distance thing is proving too difficult. At the end of the day you deserve someone who doesn’t play games and is actually honest with you. Someone who can’t wait to see you, even if he is jet lagged and dead tired.

I’m sure there’s many people here who have done silly things in response to being messed around by a man so don’t beat yourself up. Just learn from, raise your bar and realise that you deserve someone much much better

PatellarTendonitis · 26/01/2020 02:06

I used to be far too intense. I had 2 divorces by the time I was 30 to show for it. I'm on my 3rd marriage (kids only with my 3rd) and it's stuck for over 20 years. But I found people who were just as cray, IMO; they wanted to get married. It was ridiculous and I am ever glad my DD is far, far more sensible and cooler than I was. Honestly, chill out! Walk!

BringMeAGinandTonic · 26/01/2020 02:06

@GilbertMarkham makes several sensible points OP. I'd definitely consider those.

HannaYeah · 26/01/2020 02:10

What @TatianaLarina said exactly.

You’re not a crazy stalker. You just got a bad feeling and felt driven to check things out. The fact that you felt so bad giving into the urge shows you are quite sane.

I think his behavior is suspicious. Suddenly after a year a guy that calls you 5 times a day doesn’t want you to know he’s in your city. That he majorly changed his behavior would throw anyone off kilter.

I would tell him that exactly when you break it off, something like, “Things have changed and you are not behaving the same as before. You did this with no explanation and it made me recognize there is no future for us.”

I’d also tell him you don’t feel like bothering with a long distance man who, after a full year would visit your city and not want you to know.

Prepare yourself for gaslighting.

Did you ever travel to see one another outside of your work schedule? See his home? Meet any friends or family? Something is off with this guy.

BringMeAGinandTonic · 26/01/2020 02:14

Part of me wonders too if the recent bit was reversed and he had went away for awhile and the OP showed up at his work in the same state of anguish (i.e beside herself) and asking the same questions what he would make of her doing that. I feel he'd continue the narrative that she is a stalker and checking up on him.

Meirion · 26/01/2020 02:16

@GilbertMarkham "Is he French?"

You took the words right out of my mouth. That was my first thought. He is playing a game of cat and mouse. A French woman would know how to play and likely beat him at his own game, but to a British woman who likes everything to be transparent and straightforward, it is confusing and crazy-making.

Yeahnah2020 · 26/01/2020 02:22

He’s very unreasonable and clearly would never be able to live with a partner in the same city, let alone the same house!! He’s a jerk and very immature.

FagashJackie · 26/01/2020 02:31

I was going to ask if he is Swiss, polite and friendly but don't really want to be friends.

Sobeyondthehills · 26/01/2020 02:55

I have never been in this sort of relationship, but do either of you make time for each other outside of work. for example you go over there when you are not working or he comes over here when he is not or you both meet up somewhere different when neither of you are working.

I think if a guy rocked up here and said the same thing, they would be getting their arse handed to them on a plate.

On the off chance you went to the hotel you knew he normally stayed at, but didn't know he was staying at and waited till you saw him. Then you called him, why? to make sure he was alone, even though you had seen him go up alone.

What would you have done if he hadn't turned up?

I think its possible, that maybe he thinks the line between business and pleasure is getting mixed up, you haven't said how long he is here for, but is it possible he was only here for a short (24 hour) period and just didn't think it was worth it?

I do find your behaviour more red flag than his and this could have been sorted with a proper conversation where he was not trying to cancel the meeting he was actually here for and you were not being defensive

PatellarTendonitis · 26/01/2020 02:56

Whilst agreeing with Gilbert I would like to further ask, is he Swiss French? That can be an important difference, IIRC Grin. I was once accused of one such of having been 'corrupted' in France. I was absolutely corrupted in France, and especially with regards to Swiss men Wink.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 26/01/2020 03:02

I think that his behaviour has been enough to make you confused and behaving out of character.

I had a boyfriend once who was a pathological liar and I ended up doing some very odd things, like tracking him to his lodgings to find out that his car was still there when he'd said he was going elsewhere for the weekend. Turns out he was cheating but there was much more to the whole thing than that, which I won't bore you with.

So his behaviour was off, confusing, designed to put you on the back foot and it worked - so now you've done some things that you think you wouldn't normally have done, and if he finds out then it confirms his opinion that you are stalking him, or being too intense, or smothering or whatever.

But HE started this, not you. He's playing a game that you don't want any part of - so please stop bothering with him.

PatellarTendonitis · 26/01/2020 03:03

I'd sooner fuck an iceberg than another Swiss man, and I don't say that lightly, but at least the froideur of the ice would likely last long enough to get me off. I'd certainly never make a fool out of myself for one.

BringMeAGinandTonic · 26/01/2020 03:10

LOL Patellar. I sense you have some stories to tell. I know nothing about Swiss men.

MzHz · 26/01/2020 03:13

What @category12 said

Nothing about this is right. Do yourself a favour and get out. You're becoming someone you don't want to be. This is very unhealthy and dysfunctional. It doesn't really matter who is at fault, it's broken.

DeTwamps · 26/01/2020 03:16

To put it crudely, you were his London fuck. Now that he's going to be there more often, he doesn't want you to be his girlfriend.
Stop stalking him. That's weird.
You're just a fuck basically. He doesn't want anything else.

BringMeAGinandTonic · 26/01/2020 03:33

I don't agree the OP is just a fuck. If she was, I don't feel he'd have shown up to her work "beside himself" needing answers. With a FWB, you shrug it off like, eh, so what and move on. He's more invested in this than a FWB, IMO.