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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

OP posts:
Shadyshadow · 29/01/2020 05:41

Nobody has been dumped yet. And, even if that happens, they arent being dumped because the calendar was coded.

TatianaLarina · 29/01/2020 12:34

If I said dumped for 2 weeks would that make it clearer to you? The calendar coding plays no small part of it.

Shadyshadow · 29/01/2020 12:43

He wasnt dumped for 2 weeks.

OP was clearing her head, apparantly ad hadnt dumped him.

saraclara · 29/01/2020 13:47

He wasnt dumped for 2 weeks

OP was clearing her head, apparantly ad hadnt dumped him.

...and he was supposed to read her mind, and not panic because who knows what might have happened to her.

A man would not get away with 'clearing his head' for two weeks without letting his girlfriend know before or during.

BumbleBeee69 · 29/01/2020 13:56

OP's behaviour from beginning to end has been 'questionable' ... Hmm but she at least she admits this.. showing she knows she was being unreasonable... hopefully she will get a good response and a clearer plan tonight when they meet. Flowers

urright · 29/01/2020 14:19

It's just dawned on me that I'm not sure the OP indicates they are a woman although I may have missed this, excuse me if I have.

BumbleBeee69 · 29/01/2020 15:55

It's just dawned on me that I'm not sure the OP indicates they are a woman although I may have missed this, excuse me if I have.

true.. I'm not sure it changes anything though... Flowers

Aridane · 29/01/2020 18:20

Oh - I think it does!! If OP were a man, you would not have posters engaging in mind bending sophistry justifying her behaviour

BumbleBeee69 · 29/01/2020 18:42

Oh - I think it does!! If OP were a man, you would not have posters engaging in mind bending sophistry justifying her behaviour

Okay.. let's say OP was a man...

it still changes nothing in responses.... there you go.. Grin

P999 · 29/01/2020 18:56

They're probably shagging like rabbits as we type

LauraAurora79 · 29/01/2020 19:04

Is it possible that you went 'missing' to teach him a lesson? If so, then I do think, in the kindest way possible, that you need to end this relationship. It's horrible to find yourself playing games like this - horrible and stressful. He doesn't want you to have access to his diary for some reason (maybe he truly is knackered sometimes and doesn't want to feel pressured into seeing you every time he's in London so thought it best to codify his diary after you seemed upset when he was in London and didn't see you that time).

I think both of you are red flagging.

LynetteScavo · 29/01/2020 19:17

I think you've been stalkerish (not the diary checking the watching him go into the hotel)

He sounds over worked and tired, and although he's into you he likes his sleep as much as sex.

Blanking him was just rude, and slightly cruel.

I think you should either move to Geneva it end the relationship.

HannaYeah · 30/01/2020 00:05

@aquickfiresidechat

Hope things went well today.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 30/01/2020 04:51

I don't see anywhere in the OP that the man would have feared the OP having a dramatic reaction if he'd only told her he needed some time to rest after a hectic holiday period.

By what she's saying, he's the one who had been maintaining the intensity of the relationship - texting numerous times, chatting 5 times a day fgs - and then he "forgets" that she can see when he's in London and doesn't bother to tell her. Then he accuses her of checking up on him rather than going "sorry, just need to recharge, will catch up with you another time". THEN he says he will be more open in future and let her know, and does exactly the opposite.

It's not so much about him backing off, it's about the lack of openness, and in all honesty that would be a "fuck off" to the relationship for me - if he can't be open about needing some space up front, instead of in secretive fashion, and he can't keep his word about being more open in future AND closing down the diary that he had agreed to share with the OP, then this is not the right pairing for either of them.

Also, after quite a long break (given the previous intensity) it's not that surprising that the OP would expect the man to want to see her. So maybe he's just not that keen anyway.

Either way it's confusing and a change of pace that took place without any warning or discussion and has caused the OP to make some wrong choices in her own behaviour - so I still say this is an unhealthy relationship and should really die a death.

Crunchymum · 30/01/2020 19:37

@aquickfiresidechat

Did you manage to have a chat today? How are things now?

BumbleBeee69 · 30/01/2020 23:20

OP's not coming back .. dammit

Dogladyxo · 30/01/2020 23:36

OP please update us!!

momtoboys · 02/02/2020 14:31

I am so disappointed that OP has ghosted. I should know better than become invested in these threads! Smile

Fml2015 · 02/02/2020 16:02

She ghosted her bf for two weeks, we've got a while to go yet!!!

elleadams · 02/02/2020 17:56

I personally think you're both a bit toxic. His reaction to checking the calendar is over the top. You spying on him at the hotel for not seeing you every time is a bit far. It's ok to want distance and not be glued at the hip.

HannaYeah · 02/02/2020 19:09

I wonder why anyone would expect the OP to want to wade back into a cesspool of judgement and criticism!

Pretty sure they are back together, happy and over the whole thing on both sides.

momtoboys · 03/02/2020 01:42

I hope so, Hanna Yea!

Guavaf1sh · 03/02/2020 07:30

I think we’re ghosted too now. Perhaps we should wait for OP in other threads, check her activity and report back to her?

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