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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

OP posts:
ponyprincess · 28/01/2020 18:49

Shadyshadow

Obviously OP would not like it but it sends the same message as coding it and a simpler thing to do. Coding it is strange as a way of stopping OP seeing his schedule imo

Didkdt · 28/01/2020 18:56

@JammieCodger has summed it up nicely
If he is making you behave this way there is no future happiness for either of you

Shadyshadow · 28/01/2020 19:08

Obviously OP would not like it but it sends the same message as coding it and a simpler thing to do. Coding it is strange as a way of stopping OP seeing his schedule imo

I agree. But since she ended up in tears and him having to cancel plans before, it made have just been the option with less fall out.

LovePoppy · 28/01/2020 19:52

@Didkdt
@JammieCodger has summed it up nicely
If he is making you behave this way there is no future happiness for either of you

If she is choosing to behave this way, then there is no future happiness.

He’s not making her behave any way at all.

TatianaLarina · 28/01/2020 20:10

I agree. But since she ended up in tears and him having to cancel plans before, it made have just been the option with less fall out.

Being dumped is less fall out?

Coyoacan · 28/01/2020 20:51

since she ended up in tears and him having to cancel plans before, it made have just been the option with less fall out

Ah, ok, now I understand. As she was so upset by his actions, it is her fault.

saraclara · 28/01/2020 20:58

If you knew your partner would kick off unreasonably about you wanting to sleep rather than visit him, wouldn't you choose to not bother telling them that you were around that night, if you had the option?

momtoboys · 28/01/2020 21:03

If ever you find yourself stalking a guy like that, you know that something is so wrong and you need to end the relationship.hello

I wish someone had told me this 20 years ago!Blush

momtoboys · 28/01/2020 21:08

I've lost track. Why do we think he is Swiss??

TatianaLarina · 28/01/2020 21:43

I've lost track. Why do we think he is Swiss??

The secrecy, it’s cultural hence Swiss bank accounts.

However I think he could be any nationality, just a bit weird.

momtoboys · 28/01/2020 21:48

Ok, here are my thoughts. You really like/love him. What woman who has access to her SO's calendar does not utilize it for other than work purposes? He changed the well established pattern and it freaked you out. I would have felt the same way. The crying when he first talked to you about not seeing you every time he was in London was over the top and perhaps he did not want a repeat scene if he told you he was there the next time. Here is where I really differ from many other posters: I do not think that going to the hotel and staying in the bar across the street was stalkerish. You were somewhat panicked and trying to make sense of it. It was a one off. You didn't burst in on his work meeting or such. You didn't run his taxi off the road. You didn't stab him in the Tube. You stayed in a building to see if he was coming in with someone else, I imagine. Also, I completely understand the ghosting. You are not happy with how this situation makes you feel/behave. Most of us have been there in some situation. You took off. You didn't send a ransom note. You took off and hoped it would teach him a lesson. Perhaps it has. I wish you luck and piece of mind.

Shadyshadow · 28/01/2020 22:14

Being dumped is less fall out?

No, coding his calendar was. Which is what me and the poster were talking about?

You struggling to follow?

Ah, ok, now I understand. As she was so upset by his actions, it is her fault.

She was so upset he was in london and not seeing her and she ended up in state. Yes, her emotions are her responsibility. The night she got upset, was because he was there and not seeing her. He hadnt promised he would he hadnt arranged to. She just assumed. When he told her he would be visiting but not seeing her everytime and that he didnt like her looking at his calendar she got that upset he had to cancel plans.

Are you suggesting he should have kept it from her? And not told her, he wouldnt see her everytime?

Urkiddingright · 28/01/2020 22:23

You like him more than he likes you by the sounds of it. I think he’s married or in a relationship, either that or he’s playing the field and sees a few women at a time.

It doesn’t really matter because it’s over now, just leave it there. I don’t think you did anything wrong looking at the calendar but I can understand why he didn’t want it to become an expectation. Only because I can tell he isn’t serious about you, as sad as that is. I’m sorry this has happened to you but you will move on and eventually find someone decent Flowers.

P.s there are an awful lot of ignorant and xenophobic remarks on this thread.

TatianaLarina · 28/01/2020 22:24

You struggling to follow?

No darlin’ you’re struggling to follow me. Wink

Shadyshadow · 28/01/2020 22:26

No darlin’ you’re struggling to follow me.

No, you were just wrong. You read something, but didnt bother reading what it was referring.

Just wrong. I get how its hard to accept.

morrisseysquif · 28/01/2020 22:41

Maybe he just wanted a couple of nights in London to see friends? OP, you spend far too much time looking at his calendar and examining bulletins, and he clearly wasn't. You've taken that the wrong way, he sounds very busy.

You called him out on an omission, he over - reacted by coding hs diary, that was the end of it really, when he did that.

The spying is OTT - worryingly obsessive.

AtrociousCircumstance · 28/01/2020 23:01

But sometimes, OP, he really will be too knackered and absorbed in his late work day to have the energy to see you and he doesn’t feel like he should answer to you right now.

Sounds like he really likes/liked you.

You handled this badly. Admittedly a o did he - but only in over-reacting to you looking at his diary. He should have just said he couldn’t see you and not coded his schedule.

He coded his schedule, though, probably because he was worried he’d have to justify his actions every single time and deal with tears etc.

I agree with a PP - the fact that you been driven this crazy and behaved in such an extreme, stalkerish way (enough to shock yourself) shows there is something wrong deep down, you don’t feel secure and your intuition is deafening you.

TimeForPlentyIn2020 · 28/01/2020 23:04

This thread is bonkers - a lot of people seem v invested!

BumbleBeee69 · 28/01/2020 23:36

darn right.. and tomorrows Wednesday... thankfully ..

I'm hoping for closure.. Flowers

Honeyroar · 28/01/2020 23:46

What’s happening tomorrow? I can’t remember.

P999 · 28/01/2020 23:48

Wonder what the hell the OP is making of all of this? Way more mental than any amount of their shenanigans. I include myself...

P999 · 28/01/2020 23:50

Wednesday is Geneva day. The talks.

CatonNZ · 28/01/2020 23:55

Hi @aquickfiresidechat,
I think maybe a heart to heart chat is in order if you want to move the relationship either forward or backward and terminate it.
I would state what you ahve put forth here -
-your relationship pattern
-the change
-the signing off and giving space
-his reaction when you did so
-Where you two go from here
You are at a crossroads - it either moves forward with behaviour that works for you both - or it ends.
Whilst that is a bit hard to bear - you don't want to waste time with someone who is jerking you around. If you have strong feelings for the guy - then it needs to move forward or end - and most important
he needs to be honest and TRANSPARENT with you in terms of his schedule.
Best of luck!!

Celendine · 29/01/2020 00:14

He doesn't sound like he is ready for the relationship to progress to a more serious level. I think he likes having the long distance thing because it actually suits him. After a year of having you to himself he sounds selfish, checking in on you as soon as he thought you might be distancing yourself. I think long distance doesn't work unless you want to keep it casual.

TatianaLarina · 29/01/2020 01:02

You read something, but didnt bother reading what it was referring

I knew exactly to what it referred, but my point went over your head.

Don’t worry about it.