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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

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Shadyshadow · 27/01/2020 18:24

Apparantly infonats are complete arogant twats that think their are superior to everyone else. An excuse for acting in a way that others dont like?

Maybe they seem obsessive and stalkerish....because they are obsessive and stalkerish. So not superior at all. Actually quite nasty and gaslighty.

saraclara · 27/01/2020 18:29

I don't know what infonats are, but if they're people who like to know stuff, have the information they need, and a certain amount of control, then that describes me.

HOWEVER I would never do what the OP has done.

HannaYeah · 27/01/2020 19:22

saraclara,
Maybe that’s the big difference between those of us that are so adamantly debating this. I would totally do everything the OP has done.

If my DH worked with me and shared his calendar I would look at it sometimes. “Hmmm, wonder what he’s up to now!” I wouldn’t think much of it since he shared it purposely.

If I had evidence that a BF had lied to me I would be more likely to check first if possible than to accuse him. I would then feel like a nut for doing it, too.

Also, people with experiences of childhood abandonment are notorious for abandoning people before they can be left. I’m not saying that’s the case for OP, but yeah, if I thought I was getting dumped by a BF or a friend when I was younger, my first instinct was to run.

BumbleBeee69 · 27/01/2020 20:05

is it WEDNESDAY yet ? Hmm Confused Grin

TatianaLarina · 27/01/2020 20:18

I’m not really convinced your relationship has to be doomed

Yeh it is, unless she wants to date a twat.

LovePoppy · 27/01/2020 20:47

@HannaYeah

Just because you’d do the same, doesn’t make it right.

Many people with abandonment issues don’t turn to constant calendar checking or hotel watching. We don’t ghost people.

We get help for our issues so we don’t go into obsessive territory.

LovePoppy · 27/01/2020 20:48

Re infonats/infodunce

Just because information is available, doesn’t mean we should seek it out or use it against people

HannaYeah · 27/01/2020 21:04

@LovePoppy

Empathy and compassion also comes from a place of taking care of oneself.

Nothing the OP did was obsessive.

HannaYeah · 27/01/2020 21:09

@LovePoppy

Also, if you never exhibited any signs of “issues” how would you know to get help for them?

I guess there are people out there that go through shit then are still just perfect all the time anyway.

On this very thread.

P999 · 27/01/2020 21:22

The bottom line is, if a bloke lies to you, either cos he's a coward or a dick, after a year long relationship where you have both said you loved each other, it would be weird to just brush that off. No red flags for you in my book, OP. And if he didnt clock why you went no contact for 2 weeks he is either a dick or he is trying to mess with your head. Or both. You went no contact to clear your head and decide what you thought about it all. It wasnt out of the blue, it was after he had aggressively blocked you from his calendar, lied about being in London and had a go at you for looking at his calendar (when you had mutually agreed to share your calendars). I would want to go no contact to make sense of this crappy behaviour too. Whether I were a man or woman. Totally irrelevant. And sitting in a bar over the road from hotel is NOT stalking. Bloody insulting to genuine victims of stalking to suggest it. So stop latching on to that red herring, people. Good luck for Wednesday op

Shadyshadow · 27/01/2020 21:55

I can not believe so many people think it's ok to sit in a bar waiting and watching for someone.

Wether you think he is a dick or not. It's not ok.

Shadyshadow · 27/01/2020 21:59

Also op didnt go no contact to clear her head. She did it because she though she could not call it off without telling him she had checked his diary, again, or sat across from the hotel.

If she cant tell him that because she knows it's odd, then it's odd.

SmellyBeard · 28/01/2020 00:17

Well, they are the actions of someone who wants answers and no longer believes they are going to get truthful ones from their partner.

Many posters advise OPs to snoop when they notice their OH's behaviour has changed or become weird/suspicious/secretive. We had another recent poster who put a tracker and a PI on her DH and none of the posters on her thread seemed to see that as an invasion of privacy?

thesunwillout · 28/01/2020 00:26

@BumbleBeee69 😆

Coyoacan · 28/01/2020 03:25

Many posters advise OPs to snoop when they notice their OH's behaviour has changed or become weird/suspicious/secretive. We had another recent poster who put a tracker and a PI on her DH and none of the posters on her thread seemed to see that as an invasion of privacy?

I'm a bit shocked about the tracker, but I have seen lots of threads where the OPs are encouraged to at the DPs phone.

I'm still puzzled at the idea that going to his hotel one night to see what she could see was wrong. The OP didn't kick up a fuss or make a habit of it. But it was the only way to get an idea of the truth.

Stalking really is another kettle of fish.

billy1966 · 28/01/2020 07:24

I certainly don't think sitting in a hotel once to confirm a feeling you have that something isn't right is stalking in any way.

I agree it is also insulting to those who have experienced just how awful stalking can be.

However, her boyfriend coming to London and having a heavy day at work and not wishing to meet up should not be a problem for the OP.

OP, best of luck on Wednesday. I do think you have legitimate concerns.

holrosea · 28/01/2020 08:36

There is a lot to digest there, but firstly, being aware of his location due to an internally shared memo or via his shared work diary is not stalking. It is also not crazy to want to see the person you've been seeing for a year when he is in your town, and surely if he had professional commitments, he could have just let you know and as a PP said, let you digest this. It seems he wanted to change the terms of your relationship without actually telling you...

Waiting outside his hotel is a little crazy, but it sound more like an attempt to reassure yourself that you're not mad, rather than a desire to actually stalk him. And no - for your dignity do NOT tell him you checked his diary again or stood outside his hotel.

As other PP have said, the fact that you felt you needed to wait outside his hotel to see what was going on is a huge indicator that the communication is not great and that this realtionship is no longer making you feel happy, secure, or reassured.

I'm not sure you needed to do a full disappearing act (although I understand the appeal of a clean break and some days to get your head together rather than engaging in some long, protracted discussion of why the relationship is no longer working for you). Still, he's the one who's so keen on not sharing their every move, so why should you? Surely a quick look at your work diary or a casual question at HR would let him know that you were on holiday.

Either way, I think this relationship has run its course and you need to be the grown up to say "I had fun but the change in terms (not telling me you're in London or that you have other priorities) changed how I felt because I felt dismissed. I don't wish to continue or relationship but clearly, will remain professional at work." And FGS, cancel your access to his diary.

yellowallpaper · 28/01/2020 12:25

I think he feels a bit suffocated by the relationship in that he has to have full commitment to you and I don't think he wants it. Initially I thought his actions were of a sailor with a woman in every port, thinking they were the only one!

However he clearly wants boundaries on the relationship that suit him, but leave you confused and uncertain about his commitment.

I don't think his commitment to you is really there, and I doesn't think it's good enough to carry on with. He wants his cake and eat it I'm afraid

JammieCodger · 28/01/2020 15:30

Your behaviour is far more unreasonable than his.

He, on one occasion, came to London for what sound like a whistle-stop visit; meetings and client dinner. It doesn’t sound like he had much time to see you; presumably why he didn’t tell you.

You completely overreacted to the extent that he had to cancel meeting the client. He told you that he was surprised and uncomfortable that you used his diary to check up on him.

Despite this, next time you became aware that he might be over again, YOU USED HIS DIARY TO CHECK UP ON HIM! Not surprisingly after your previous behaviour, he’d codified it. Still refusing to accept that he is allowed to set his own boundaries, you spy on him.

I don’t know why you’re being given such a free pass. At no point has he done anything wrong, while you are controlling and suspicious. If you and he lived in the same city and saw each other 2-3 days a week would you still expect to control his activities on other days? Sounds like it.

ponyprincess · 28/01/2020 15:54

If he really didn’t want OP to see his diary why code it, wouldn’t it be simpler to just stop her access to it, which he had given?

Johnsonsfiat · 28/01/2020 16:04

You're both in the wrong and you're both in the right.
I don't think there's a way back from it now.

Shadyshadow · 28/01/2020 16:08

If he really didn’t want OP to see his diary why code it, wouldn’t it be simpler to just stop her access to it, which he had given?

How do you think OP would have reacted to that?

TheDeep · 28/01/2020 17:21

and surely if he had professional commitments, he could have just let you know and as a PP said, let you digest this. It seems he wanted to change the terms of your relationship without actually telling you...

He did and the OP had a meltdown, he had to skip a client meeting to calm her down.