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PIL and the fall out from Christmas

180 replies

ClareVH · 13/01/2020 21:01

DH and I have been married for 15 years and have 2 DC. His family have never liked me, in spite of me being a nice, normal person and trying very hard to include them in our lives, make them feel welcome in our home, etc. I don’t know why they don’t like me, DH has asked them, but they deny it. We barely see them in spite of moving to be closer to them.

One irritating thing that MIL does is, if I ask her a question, she’ll give her answer to DH, not me. I don’t know why she sidelines me like this, but I find it quite hurtful. If I answer his phone, she’ll say, “I want to speak to my son.” Just refuses to speak to me.

It came to a head over Christmas. I texted MIL early in December to suggest that we should get together for Christmas and put forward an idea. She said she’d think about it and get back to me, but never did and we heard nothing from them. They go away a lot and so DH and I assumed they had decided to go away for Christmas. DH was on leave from Christmas Eve. Due to the nature of his job, he had his phone switched off over Christmas and New Year whilst he was on leave. However, my phone was on the whole time.

We expected that PIL would at least call to speak to the DC over Christmas. But we heard nothing. They live very close to us, so could easily have popped in if they were around, after first calling to check that we were in.

After Christmas, we discovered that they had hosted a nice family Christmas with SIL but had not invited us. I sent a text to MIL basically saying how hurt I was that they didn’t invite us and now all hell has broken loose. MIL lied and said she HAD invited us, via DH, but he’d declined. I remember this phone call as MIL was on speakerphone and she most certainly did not invite us. It’s weird, as in spite of her faults, I have never known MIL to lie before.

She then said that they had popped round but we were out. And now the presents are all sitting “sadly under the tree”. It’s like she’s blaming us for being out when they came round, but had she called me before leaving home, we could have arranged a time that we were in.

She also said that she had called many times over Christmas but that we had ignored her calls. She called on DH's phone, which was switched off as he was on leave (she knew this). She didn't then call on my phone, which obviously I would have answered.

She has now told the whole family that they didn’t get to see their GC over Christmas and apparently it’s my fault! The whole family have now turned against me, saying how hurt she is that she didn’t get to see her GC at Christmas and still hasn’t been able to give the DC their presents.

We had a difficult year and I really just wanted a nice big family Christmas. I am feeling really fragile at the moment. I was very ill earlier in the year and now I think I’m suffering from depression, maybe as a side effect of the medication I was on. I cry a lot and struggle to cope. I am trying to work through it and DH is great. No-one else knows as I am very good at pretending everything is OK. The situation with PIL really upsets me. I just wish I knew what the solution was.

Can anybody help me please?

OP posts:
roisinagusniamh · 14/01/2020 14:23

...and SIL's.

lottiegarbanzo · 14/01/2020 14:26

Move away.

Invite them to visit you occasionally, at times and in ways that suit you.

Next year, encourage your DH to have a conversation in October about Christmas and agree firm plans, like most people do.

Trust him to talk to them by himself.

Stop poking the bear.

Bumpinthenight · 14/01/2020 14:50

Leave your PILs to your DH. He doesn't seem to want a relationship with them, they don't want a relationship with you. You can't force a relationship so don't bother.

You were waiting for an invite from them, perhaps they were waiting for an invite from you and when one wasn't forthcoming they sorted themselves out.

Stuff them. You, DH and DCs have your little family. Live the best life you can together and stuff them.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/01/2020 15:06

It would be interesting to hear your PIL's version of events. I actually did get PILS version of events, after 20 years of DH being sent to Coventry 'because of me'

They made no reference to why they had chosen to isolate him prior to meeting me but apparently I was just collateral damage. PoisonousSIL (married to BoneheadBIL, soon to be ex...) was such hard work that they focussed all their attention of placating her....

And they seriously expected me to just say "OK, never mind, let's all be friends now she is gone!" 30 years of that bollocks! No way!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/01/2020 15:06

Sorry OP!

It really is worth getting your DH to spell it out to them though. Even if he never actually sends the message he get a certain amount of clarity just thinking about it!

Broken2020 · 14/01/2020 17:19

@ClareVH I hope you told your Auntie that DH will not be apologising as he has nothing to apologise for!

Mix56 · 14/01/2020 17:39

After 15 years they are not going to revert to normal people
Go NC with them & SIL it's the only way to go.
Move, forget the toxic lot of them.

averythinline · 14/01/2020 17:43

Why did you answer the phone/have a conversation with AUnty about anything?

you cannot get a draw in this situation never mind a win..... if Aunty starts taalking about anything to do with mil /family stuff tell her to phone DH...

you need to stop engaging in the drama... look up grey rock technique for Auty and the rest....and also getting some help to help you focus on whats important - DC/yourself and DH if he pulls his finger out and stops letting his family use you as a punchbag....

WhatchaMaCalllit · 14/01/2020 17:43

@ClareVH - please write out on a piece of paper the text of the post that @timeisnotaline suggested (around post #103 or so).
Hand the piece of paper to your DH and say "type that into the family WhatsApp group and send it now please". If he refuses or puts it off (as in doesn't do it then and there, then you not only have a PIL problem you have a DH one too.
It really doesn't matter that your DH turned off his mobile over Christmas, they live around the corner from you and could have popped a note through your letterbox inviting you, if they had wanted to. They clearly didn't but want the appearance of being the consummate hosts.
Time to set that record straight. Also, I wouldn't recommend telling them anything about where you might move to but I would move.

Best of luck with it

Bluntness100 · 14/01/2020 17:51

I don't really understand this. What's wrong with your husband that he isn't dealing with this? If this was my family I'd set them right immediately, in no uncertain terms, and if itwas my husband's he would do the same.

Why is he letting this continue, particularly knowing about your poor mental health? That just seems cruel.

AnotherEmma · 14/01/2020 17:52

Years of conditioning from childhood on through adulthood.

It's very difficult to break free.

What's so hard to understand?

Bluntness100 · 14/01/2020 18:04

What's so hard to understand? Seriously? His wife is becoming becoming mentally ill. She's trying to deal with this. His family have turned against her. It must be very deep conditioning indeed when he can't even say to his parents to sort this.

Hmm
candative · 14/01/2020 18:07

Seems to me you can't win as they will scapegoat you even if you are perfectly lovely. Knock it on the head now. Cut contact. You be the offended one for a change. Send that suggested message on the WhatsApp. Don't engage with their games and strongly encourage your husband to do the same. Be very truthful with other relatives. Move away if you can. Your life will be easier without their drama. Worth giving them a wake up call.

AnotherEmma · 14/01/2020 18:29

"It must be very deep conditioning indeed when he can't even say to his parents to sort this."

Yes, that's my point. It is very deep conditioning. And there is no point in him "saying to his parents to sort this" (even if he dared) because they wouldn't listen to him. That's the whole point!

I agree with the general argument that something needs to change. The OP and her DH need a different approach. But demonising him doesn't help. The OP bears responsibility for this situation too. He had stepped back for a reason and she was pushing it.

Runnerduck34 · 14/01/2020 18:32

Stop trying to please them, sadly you won't win, you've made every effort and it's been thrown back in your face. Is she blaming DH for not seeing GC over Xmas , or you or both of you? You can't take the blame for this.
I do understand she might prefer a direct way to contact her DS rather than go through you, is your DH mobile a work phone? Ideally it would be nice for him to have a personal mobile or landline, but that's for DH to sort out not you.
Asking to speak to her son as soon as you answer the phone without any pleasantries is plain rude.

Veterinari · 14/01/2020 18:45

@ClareVH
We tried to contact his DSis, but she is ignoring us. Apparently she spent all her money on presents for our DC and was disappointed when she didn't see them on Christmas Day. I tried to explain that we weren't invited, but she's still ignoring us

Why is it up to you to explain things to your SIL? I really think you need to step back. Let your DH speak to his mother and sister and ask why get didn't contact you. If they want to accuse him of lying then he can rebuff them.
Stay out of it

monkeymonkey2010 · 14/01/2020 19:20

i don't get why either of you are chasing after their attention like desperados?
i can understand it from your DH's point of view a bit cos they're his parents/family.

However, you're adults with DC - and they've transferred their negativity onto your DC now.
When will it be enough?

All you need to do is be brutally honest and blunt with them and the flying monkeys (aunt) that are sent forth.
Tell them the truth - they have never respected their son's choice and decision to be with you.
They deliberately refuse to communicate with you.
They make no effort with your DC.
They don't really care about their son, or grandchildren because they are massive narcs and have hugely overinflated ego's.
Tell the Aunt to mind her own business and stop chatting shit cos it makes her look like a brainless moron - and then block her if she carries on.

Why do you care what they all think of you?
Just get it all off your chest, slap the truth in their faces and then block them all from your life.

ClareVH · 14/01/2020 20:53

Thank you @monkeymonkey2010. Can I ask you to expand on this:

... they are massive narcs and have hugely overinflated ego's.

I also think this but I’m not sure on what basis.

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AnotherEmma · 14/01/2020 20:55

Yep let's just ignore all the wise advice and keep trying to analyse the crazy people Hmm

ClareVH · 14/01/2020 21:01

@AnotherEmma On the contrary, I am taking the advice to move on from these people. I am just interested in how other people perceive the situation.

OP posts:
thickwoollytights · 14/01/2020 21:30

I am just interested in how other people perceive the situation.

Well - you have a pretty good idea now

You can crack on with going NC

ChicCroissant · 14/01/2020 21:36

You only seem interested in people who agree with you though, OP.

loopery · 14/01/2020 21:39

Have you got your own family/friends? I’d suggest moving away from this lot!

justilou1 · 14/01/2020 21:52

God they sound like my parents! Heavily involved in my brother and his wife and I never existed at all - until the wider family asked questions about me, then they had to make shit up to make themselves look good, and I was expected to go along with the lie. I felt like the wider family were scapegoating me also. It wasn’t until my parents were dead that the truth came out and I discovered that they knew all along that I was an ok person and my brother and parents were arseholes.

Pumpkinpie1 · 14/01/2020 22:34

There does seem to be a bit of a one sided view point going on here & a reluctance to answer questions.
I wonder why?