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Is DH having some kind of mental breakdown?

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sleepyhorse · 04/01/2020 23:34

Bit of a weird one and not sure where to start....married 14 years with 2 dc. Dh a real people pleaser, charming with everyone else etc However marriage never been great, he has been abusive and undermining me on and off for years. Only reason we are still together is for kids and financial reasons. I’m pretty unhappy but it’s now been taken to a completely new level.
We had huge renovations on house and had to rent for a year whilst he instructed builders to make a mezzanine in each of the boys bedroom (where they will sleep). I told him from the start I wasn’t happy with this and after seeing how high it was my concerns grew even more and I begged him to stop as just thought it was bad idea (unsafe for a 9 and 11yr old plus couldn’t see the point when they both have perfectly good size rooms). He ignored me and told builders to continue. We moved back in just before Xmas and then came the fitting of the step ladders they built in which in my opinion are too steep and he will only put hand rail on one side. In one of the bedrooms the ladder finishes right in front of the bedroom window which is on 2nd floor. My son is autistic and scared of heights. The whole things is madness but he won’t take the ladders down and is making the boys sleep up there, all because he wants to impress our friends so they think the boys have the coolest bedrooms. Nobody thinks it’s a good idea and many think it’s a potential death trap but nobody wants to interfere. I have had so many arguments over this with him and feel exhausted with stress and worry. He tells me I’m being ridiculous and over protective. The boys have been told they have to sleep up there! I don’t know what else to do, almost phoned social services but don’t want to go down the route. So instead I phoned building inspector who is now coming Monday. I’m hoping he will confirm it’s unsafe and needs to come down. I’m sure it will all kick off as will make dh look stupid but what else am I supposed to do? I will try and enclose picture. Surely this is not normal???

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80sstyle · 05/01/2020 10:58

How can a normal sized person fit at the bottom of the stairs (the first set you showed) to use the ladder?

sleepyhorse · 05/01/2020 10:58

Iwishican- sorry to hear about your experience. Sounds awful

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sleepyhorse · 05/01/2020 11:02

I agree with all of you. I feel so trapped. All your advice has made me realise how bad the situation is and how awful dh is and that I haven’t imagined it. You know when someone is horrid to you but then really nice and so then you forget about the bad bits just because it’s easier to carry on sometimes. And before you know it, it becomes your norm. But all this craziness with the boys stairs and the lack of safety has changed everything for me now. There is no going back! Even if stairs get taken down tomorrow, I look at him so differently now! Something has clicked and I’m done!

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RumpoleoftheBaileys · 05/01/2020 11:03

YANBU at all.
Good luck x

VisionQuest · 05/01/2020 11:04

I can't get over how steep that ladder is. It's so dangerous!

Imagine if your child wakes up in the night needing the loo, is disoriented with only one bloody handrail to grab as they descend down a near vertically drop!

Really pissed off on your behalf. I would also be tempted to take an axe to it.

Zaphodsotherhead · 05/01/2020 11:06

I think the mezzanines are a bit of a red herring really. The issue is that you have concerns about something and, instead of discussing it with you or listening to your concerns, he is just brushing you off and going ahead with what he wants to do with no conversation.

I think you will be well rid of a man like this. Don't let financial concerns stop you.

Interestedwoman · 05/01/2020 11:07

Hi @sleepyhorse So sorry you're dealing with this. :( I hope the building inspector decides in your favour, but either way your DH is profoundly ignoring your feelings and choosing to do something that makes you very anxious, without caring how you feel. Even if it was the best built structure in the world (it isn't of course) this would still not be ok, as he's deliberately riding roughshod over your mental health. Hugs xxxxx

Techway · 05/01/2020 11:07

If building control fail you, then try HSE. It clearly looks so terrible and a builder has cobbled it together with 4x2 rather than proper staircase fittings. I bet they were baffled by your H's request.

I think you are in a power struggle with your H (one he has chosen) so there is no logic or compromise as he is determined to win. My ex fought me over a ridculous house decoration (that he chose unilaterally) but it was just a power play. If he won he had control, if he lost it proved he was a victim and I was controlling. It was always lose/lose for me.

Re leaving your H. Please don't tell him you are seeing a solicitor. Keep all your plans & discussions quiet as a bully will escalate to ensure he comes out on top. Also don't be rattled of he goes for full residency as abusive men always target your vulnerable areas, I.e welfare of your children.

Firstly see a few solicitors and choose one who knows about abusive men. Someone said on MN once, chose one who you wouldn't want to argue with, very good advice.

Plan the finances, what is the financial situation and work out a budget for your housing needs and ongoing costs. Is your H a high earner? Can you get a copy of your marriage certificate as need to apply for divorce.
Your boys will be confused by this and it is textbook that he is involving the boys in the discussion.

sleepyhorse · 05/01/2020 11:08

I’m hoping to inspector tomorrow will not pass it for building regs. And we will have to take down immediately. But what the fuck do I do if inspector thinks it’s ok and just suggests a 2nd handrail? I will still be very unhappy!

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Equanimitas · 05/01/2020 11:10

The whole thing screams cowboy builder. No reputable builder would put up stairs that end bang up against the wall, and those protruding raw edges on the uprights are really shoddy. I would worry about whether the mezzanines themselves are even safe.

Equanimitas · 05/01/2020 11:11

Can the boys turn the lights on from the mezzanine level?

sleepyhorse · 05/01/2020 11:12

Yes there are lights up there

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sleepyhorse · 05/01/2020 11:13

Techway- what is HSE?

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BoswellSolver · 05/01/2020 11:15

Ok. Ladders are utter shit. My practical advice (aside from leaving your dick head DH) would be to look into spiral stairs up to the lofts, they would take up less of a footprint of the lower room, and be safer with regards to the windows.

ineedaholidaynow · 05/01/2020 11:19

I think HSE is Health & Safety Executive. There is a website

SlatternIsTrying · 05/01/2020 11:20

Health and Safety Executive

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 05/01/2020 11:20

God that’s awful. I hate heights and really struggle if the kids get too near an edge even when it’s ‘safe’ (I had a total meltdown on a ferry once because they wanted to stand on deck and look over the railings, I was convinced they’d climb and topple over, yes I am batshit about it).

Those stairs are making me feel quite sick.

sleepyhorse · 05/01/2020 11:21

Thank you for all your support! Xx

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Anewchapter · 05/01/2020 11:21

The stairs can’t go nearer to the wall because of the angle of the pitched roof to the side of the mezzanine floor. There’d be no head room to stand access the top of the ladder.

Equanimitas · 05/01/2020 11:22

Are the mezzanines built against supporting walls? Did your husband get an engineer's advice?

Mischance · 05/01/2020 11:23

Two children of similar age closely related to me sleep on a mezzanine, approached by a spiral staircase. It has not been a problem. But the rails on the actual mezzanine are bigger and stronger than those in your pics.

There are some problems with the design at your house. It needs a rail on other side of the stairs and all the rails need to be of a sturdier construction. Also, there needs to be a proper space between the bottom of the stairs and the wall/window. I am surprised that your builder was happy to put it there like that with no floor space at the bottom. If these changes were made it would be safer. I suspect that the building regs person will suggest these and other changes.

Some boys would think it was wacky to sleep on a mezzanine, as indeed my relatives do. This is why children love climbing up to zip wires and on climbing frames. BUT........the construction needs to be safe and they need to have choice, which is sadly lacking here.

It does not sound as though your OH understands what compromise is about, as I am sure there is a compromise here. As long as you and he do not agree about this, then the children are going to feel they are being manipulated, as indeed one of your DC has virtually said.

I think you need to try and separate out the fight between you and your OH and the matter of the boys wanting/not wanting to sleep up there. At the moment they can please neither parent and they must be feeling quite uncomfortable. There is a bullying element to your OH's approach to this, which I am sure betrays an underlying problem in your relationship. But please do not let the boys be pulled from pillar to post - get this argument done outside of their hearing.

I can see that he must have thought he was doing something that the boys would love - maybe it is just the sort of thing he would have loved - but it has become a big bone of contention now; and your Mum has been drawn into it too.

Would it help at all if you tried to say to him that you understand why he thought it would be a good fun option, and that you are happy to go along with it if proper safety measures are in place and the boys can make their own choices about when/if they sleep up there? This would be the most sensible outcome.

This has become a focus of your marital discord and the boys are piggies in the middle. If you do not like this man and want to end the relationship then so be it - but the boys need to be detached from this dispute rather than being the pawns.

He clearly thinks you are making a fuss and is exasperated that what he saw as a fun project that the boys would love has now gone belly-up , and the visit from building regs should settle that. But the remaining tension and discord is not going to go away easily.

In a sense you are involving Mumsnet in your fight, in the same way that your boys are involved. I do not think that is good for them.

Sorry if I am not saying exactly what you want to hear.

Peridot1 · 05/01/2020 11:24

Good God they look ridiculous as well as bloody dangerous!

GinandGingerBeer · 05/01/2020 11:27

Do you really think he's going to take any notice of the building inspector though?
Course he's not! I'm worried for you when he realises you've called them to tbh.
He's insane.

Bluntness100 · 05/01/2020 11:28

There is no way building regs will sign those off. No way no how, not ever.

Does he know there is an inspection tomorrow?

ineedaholidaynow · 05/01/2020 11:31

I assume you have to have building regs sign off at some point anyway