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Now ExH’s new DP doesn’t want any of DD’s baubles on their Christmas tree

649 replies

Lollypalooza · 01/12/2019 13:50

I posted a couple of weeks ago about how my ExH’s DP had apparently said she’s “uncomfortable” with he and I texting about anything not related to DD.

Thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3749751-Exh-s-dp-doesn-t-want-me-to-text-about-anything-other-than-DD?pg=1&order=

but just for background- we were together ten years, been separated three years, amicably. Five year old DD. Both in new relationships. He lives with his new partner, they’ve lived together less than a year (i.e. this will be the first Christmas they live together).

Yesterday I saw him to swap DD over. Brief conversation about plans etc and we got onto the topic of putting Christmas tree up. He said they were doing their this weekend, I said we’d probably do it next weekend. I said that when I get the decorations down from the loft DD could choose some of her baubles to bring over to his place and put on the tree there- she has lots, including bought ones with her name on, ones in the shape of her first initial, ones she’s made such as salt dough, as well as general ones, Santa and so on. He agreed that would be nice.

I sort of forgot about it but today received a text from him- “I told DP about the baubles and she’s not keen”. It took me a sec to realise what he meant- she doesn’t want DD to bring any of her baubles over to put on their tree. I replied “That’s a shame as DD does live there too and I’m sure she’s like to have some of her own decorations there”. He replied “I agree with you but it’s caused an argument so I’d rather just leave it”. I just replied “ok”.

Caused an argument? Over a 5yo girl putting decorations on a tree? Sad

OP posts:
YouJustDoYou · 04/12/2019 10:53

I feel sorry for your dd not being allowed her own bauble. I went through similar as a step daughter- step mother wanted Nothing to do with me or anything from my mum's house in her house, it was just all her kid's things, because she had a weird jealousy issue about any tiny reminder of my mum being near her or her home. Made me feel utterly shit and unwanted as a little.girl as well as something that was an inconvenience to her being with my dad.

Morganmermaid · 04/12/2019 11:11

I think your suggestion crossed a boundary.

I think I future you need to consciously put some time between all suggestions that pop into your head. Consider if they are actually necessary. Any non-essential suggestions should not be made to your ex.

aSofaNearYou · 04/12/2019 11:18

I feel sorry for your dd not being allowed her own bauble. I went through similar as a step daughter- step mother wanted Nothing to do with me or anything from my mum's house in her house, it was just all her kid's things, because she had a weird jealousy issue about any tiny reminder of my mum being near her or her home. Made me feel utterly shit and unwanted as a little.girl as well as something that was an inconvenience to her being with my dad.

I'm sorry you went through that but we don't know if that's the case at all. They could be planning on getting their own personalised baubles with her to start new traditions, or they could be the kind of people that buy new decorations every year, or the kind that don't have any personalised baubles (I never had any growing up) and just do a colour scheme of plain balls. If the latter is the case, then they would be in the situation where they have none for the other kids in the family and would have several for OPs DD if she brought hers, which would be odd and unkind to the others.

Them not wanting DDs from home does not mean they are deliberately shunning her and that the others all have their own personal things up.

Teenangels · 04/12/2019 11:26

@YouJustDoYou
I am sorry that you went through this, but we do not know what OP dad and his partner will do for his daughter, they could be making decorations for the tree buying special ones for her, we don’t know if the new partners children have special baubles, we don’t.
The OP needs to stop forcing what she think should happen onto her ex and his new partner.

MzHz · 04/12/2019 11:48

The idea about the fecking bauble was NOT the dd’s.

It was op, the mother

The op is setting h up to fail, let him suggest stuff, because he knows everyone in the mix.

Otherwise all anyone can do here in this situation is manage your own Christmas/birthday etc and if you make the effort and the other side doesn’t do the same as you, it’s ok because everyone is different

We can only manage our own lives, not the lives or decisions of others.

Op, step back. For your own sanity and actually for the well-being of your dd, let him be the dad he wants to be. She’s safe with him.

30to50FeralHogs · 04/12/2019 13:32

Perhaps DD is like my daughter. She has a treasured collection of her own Christmas ornaments, all of which she made or picked out, and she enjoys helping to decorate the tree and house

And she can still do that at her mums house as she always has. What happens at her dads house is 100% entirely up to him and his DP to decide. If it becomes apparently that those decisions are in some way showing favouritism to the other DCs who live there, THEN OP will have something to worry about. Until that point she does not.

Clafairymon · 04/12/2019 14:01

I think some people just have basic decorations that they like but have no emotional significance. The idea of bringing childhood ones to a new house to hang on their dads tree might seem ott to them.

We had lots that were collected as kids which were very emotive and hanging them was so fun because we reminisced about where they came from.

If my parents had separated it was the kind of thing that would have made a difference to me and my sister.

Charley50 · 04/12/2019 18:19

This sort of thread is the absolute worst for people projecting their own experiences onto; we had such a bad experience of the ex controlling things (nothing like the OP) that I try not to add a response as I still feel so bitter.

On a lighter note, it would be a great drip-feed if the OP confessed that the bauble actually has a photo of her, DD and ex, with Santa hats on.

Menora · 04/12/2019 19:30

@Charley50

PMSL

Pepernotenregen · 04/12/2019 22:14

*@Charley50
*
Hit the nail firmly on the head there

GrinGrin

mrsprefect · 05/12/2019 06:04

I haven't read all the replies so sorry if someone has said this already, but in case they haven't and in case it is helpful, it strikes me that the confused messages really mean that new DP wants you to be less friendly with ex and more friendly with her.
It must be so incredibly hard to send your beloved child off to spend time with a family you don't know and to feel unable to protect her from whatever might happen there. I feel for you, and hope your DD has a lovely Christmas with both families.

whiskeysourpuss · 05/12/2019 07:45

She has two DDs herself so I imagine they’ll be putting all their baubles and decorations on the tree.

Not necessarily. I have 3 DC - in 20 years not one of them has ever had a homemade/named bauble grace my Christmas tree.

I also wonder why after being separated for 3 years you choose the first Christmas he has a new partner to offer him some of DD's baubles - surely he's had a Christmas tree for the previous 2 years but you didn't think it'd be nice for DD to have her own decorations on his tree then Hmm

Charley50 · 05/12/2019 08:03

Whiskey - OP said ex didn't have a Xmas tree for the last two years. I think he came to theirs for Xmas day and didn't bother getting a tree for his own place. At least his new partner bothers getting a tree.

Mrs Perfect - maybe the ex feels worried about OPs new partner too.

Hannahmates · 06/12/2019 03:16

It doesn't seem like a big issue. She'll pick some ornaments she likes with her dad.

30to50FeralHogs · 07/12/2019 16:11

Went out to buy a tree today - my DCs are excited to get it up and decorated, but the only person choosing new baubles today was me!

DS said they were very expensive - “that’s £12 you’re never going to see again!” and DD didn’t even look at them despite some cute animal ones etc. They just haven’t been brought up to think that interior deco (anywhere other than their room) is of any interest.

Anyway, just reminded me of this thread - I looked at some with initials on, but then thought I could just paint my own!

Maybe I’ll loosen up and let the kids have a go at painting them?! and hide them at the back

AgentJohnson · 08/12/2019 07:06

Op you need to butt out. Their family Christmas tree decorating traditions/ decisions are nothing to do with you.

You are looking for conflict and that is detrimental to your DD.

MitziK · 08/12/2019 12:09

Just for a moment - I'm going to imagine things from the point of view of the partner.

She's had the first days of a new, great relationship. The bloke seems great fun, poor thing's only got a crappy bedsit and his kid has to sleep at the foot of his bed like a pet. It's really expensive (maintenance, etc), so it makes sense that he moves into her home with her children. She looks to see if she can be friendly to the ex, as she knows it was very awkward at the birthday party, but he was insistent that she attended, as 'new family', etc, and there's been a bit of a lack of eye contact which felt uncomfortable, but she's not been able to find her. The New Partner says 'she must have blocked you'. Oh.

He's now comfortably in her house. Nowhere else to go, etc.

And he's drinking, but instead of it being 'well, I wasn't allowed to go out when I was with the ex, but you're different', there's a nagging worry at the back of her mind and perhaps a couple of times where she's not 100% certain whether he'd had a drink before driving the kids somewhere, but he's reacted badly to that.

He's been quite preoccupied with his phone. He's 'just' talking to his ex. So he says, anyhow. It's gone on for a while and she says something along the lines of 'well, you need to stop doing that, it's inappropriate if it's not about your DD', wondering all the time whether it's actually his ex or somebody else.

Every so often, there's something else that she's not quite comfortable with. When she says something innocuous, he reacts that she's causing an argument. There's a mention of Christmas decorations. When she says 'well, not really, I'm not keen on random stuff', he kicks off. Or he announces that the Ex has informed him that she has to decorate the tree with his DD's homemade decorations. No discussion, that's how it's going to be. Possibly when he already has a vague whiff of alcohol about him. She's 'starting an argument'. She's 'picking on him'. She's 'excluding' a child who she has welcomed into her home possibly too soon as he was only a new boyfriend, but he was maybe a bit too keen to move in and 'be a family', etc.

He's already telling her children what to do, calling her ex any name but his actual one, bitching about his ex's new partner and his age/appearance. He's not the 100% Nice Guy she thought he was. And he opened a can of beer up the instant he came in the door - coincidence - or is he trying to disguise that he had been drinking before driving? If she could be on good terms with the ex, that would have helped, as surely she would have said if he'd ever done anything like drink drive. But it's pretty clear from what he is saying that his ex doesn't like her.

There are reasons why you and him are exes. She may very well be finding out exactly what some of them are first hand.

MitziK · 08/12/2019 12:13

For context, I've been both the XP and the new one at different stages of my life. I have no dog in this fight, other than having seen it from both sides.

Castaway3 · 08/12/2019 18:44

She sounds like she resents you and your child tbh. My stepmother was like this, wanted my
Dad but not his “baggage”. One year she went through his things and chucked things us kids had made when we were at nursery. Horrible witch. My dad used to Go with what she said to keep the peace. If I were you I’d straight up ask her why not. She sounds spiteful.

Castaway3 · 08/12/2019 18:50

@YouJustDoYou same here,
Will never understand any person who gets involved with someone with kids and then start resenting their child/ren. I also felt
Unwanted as a child because of
It. I think it’s petty to not
Let the ops daughter bring her sentimental
Baubles, it’s a poxy bauble.

MzHz · 08/12/2019 19:45

Oh do calm down... the child hasn’t even said they want to take the bauble. This is op injecting that idea so it will set ex and his partner up for a supposed fail!

There is no evidence at all of resentment of the child.

MzHz · 08/12/2019 20:00

For info... my oh dd has spent many a happy, giggly chilled/fun weekend with us only for us to receive some bonkers rant about it.

One of the first was her trying to tell us that we were cruel for not letting her watch Strictly.

We were actually busy doing something else she was having a ball doing, never even asked to have the telly on, and she could always watch on catch up...

Oh and we were mean apparently for asking if she wanted to come to my ds sports training, and allowing her to do so when she said she wanted to

And we were awful for taking her to a professional football match as something different to do - she had a good time. No it didn’t change her life etc, but it was a new experience for her and she enjoyed it at face value.

We also took her to watch ice hockey- she loved the hot dogs and the skating afterwards, but that was wrong apparently too.

She’s blocked now, she gets absolutely zero response to anything.

Not all step mums are the bad guys...

JadeDragon23 · 08/12/2019 20:20

You are looking for conflict and that is detrimental to your DD

This.

After reading the first thread I also agree with a pp - this is the op trying to assert her connection with the ex.

I can almost see your faux-wide eyes and batting eyelashes op. I don’t believe for a moment you’re as innocent in this as you like to make out.

It’s sad for both you and your dd. Move on. Smile at the ex at handover and tell him anything important but leave ‘suggestions’ for his house, relationship, life or anything else alone.

VanyaHargreeves · 08/12/2019 20:29

It's way down the thread now but my initial reaction was that the new partner probably has no objection to the baubles and her objection is more likely about you trying to force your traditions that you shared into her home, therefore marking your territory on her tree at Christmas.

At her age I doubt your DD gives a fig or cares where they are.

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