Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

DP says he doesn't want to use the word love anymore?

191 replies

PeriChicken340 · 05/11/2019 18:36

DP (27) and I have been together just less than a year having lived with each other for part of that (we started off as flat mates) and are now in a LDR, seeing each other once a month.

It started out with both of us saying we didn't want to do long distance... fast forward several months and he tells me he loves me but it still has to end when I move. Fast forward a couple of more months and we are on holiday together and he tells me that he loves me and wants to be with me having thought and that I'm worth it etc and wants to do long distance.

So I move and its a struggle because he gets a lot more out of being together which is understandable and we've only had one heated discussion since we got together - in which he is always reassuring - "remember I still love you and want to be with you" etc.

So we just get on with our lives messaging everyday, loving messages and I feel loved and cared for and especially when we are together. He has always said the word love to him is important and we don't (or didn't :/) say it everyday because then it would become "meaningless" if its just thrown around. It never bothered me because I would hear it sometimes and he would always be reassuring when we were having a tricky LDR day. Point being I felt treated so great and we've both said we want it to be long term - proposing "makes sense" with me which hasn't with previous relationships as does having children.

ANYWAY so everything was fine and then he goes away on a silent retreat for 10 days with no contact. He sets up 20 lovely scheduled emails to arrive every morning and evening and we see each other on Sunday, the day he comes back.

Everything was normal, we were cuddling etc and he was telling me all about his experience and then says he wants to talk because some things haven't been working.

He says he wants to feel like he can express how he really feels more freely because sometimes its hard to feel authentic in his loving messages when we are long distance and its starting to be draining and making him anxious. I say no problem, how do you imagine it being different? THEN he says that he cant say "I love you" as he was before because by his definition of it, he only feels it "sometimes" and it is so "sacred".

I fly off the handle basically and it gets heated. I ask (fml) and he says he doesn't really get upset at the thought of us not being together because "if there were a situation in which we broke up then it would be a good reason that would make us both happier...so I wouldn't feel very upset" and "well I'm happy by myself, I don't need you so I would be fine by myself... but it doesn't mean I don't want to be with you". He says he doesn't really look forward to seeing me until the day before but thats fine because its "like that with everyone" and "I don't really miss anyone".

He says he has to be honest and tell me this because he "wants to spend his life with me". I describe what I mean when I say I love him - he says that he feels all of that but can't say it in that context because it doesn't "come naturally" to him and "as soon as expectations are placed on the word it becomes anxiety provoking and draining and I start to disengage if I don't feel I can express myself freely without expectation". But still, he "loves us" and being with me...

But he still feels all those things for me that I would consider love. He just wants to use other words and will say love when he feels it.

So I went to bed yesterday (left his place yesterday morning) having spoken to him until 2am with tears streaming down my face.

I feel lied to and betrayed and I cannot emotionally understand it at all.

He sent me an objectively nice message this morning basically saying that he wants to move forward and find something that works because he wants it to work... "thank you for being you" etc and being able to have a difficult and painful conversation is "testament to us" and we are "still a team" and wants to plan what to do when he is meant to come up in a couple of weeks.

I replied saying I was hurting a lot and need space - to which he said okay and he doesn't want to cause me misery and wishes he was with me to hold me and give me a kiss and tell me everything would be okay (when in the past he would say he loved me D:).

Is he just processing shit from his (up and down) retreat experience and overthinking and communicating poorly after having not been able to for 10 days, or is this a serious issue? Logically it makes sense... I just feel so shit :(

Lots more was exchanged if any more info needed but I'm aware I've written half of my upcoming assignment!

Thanks for any insight and advice :/

OP posts:
WhoKnewBeefStew · 08/11/2019 15:09

Urghh god he sounds like a bloody nightmare!! Sod that, go and fine someone who isn't navel gazing

Brakebackcyclebot · 08/11/2019 15:24

Tell him you need some space from him now on a lifetime retreat

This!

I didn't understand most of what he said to be honest. And I've read A LOT of self-help, self discovery, coaching type books.

Listen to your gut - which is saying I feel lied to and betrayed and I cannot emotionally understand it at all.

TimeForNewStart · 08/11/2019 18:14

He’s had his head turned at the retreat.

Shooturlocalmethdealer · 08/11/2019 23:41

He just wants to play. Suggest he go get the game called Life at a local store near you... You deserve so much better OP.

Theresa45 · 09/11/2019 03:44

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Kiwiinkits · 09/11/2019 04:27

Op, is your boyfriend Morrissey?
Grin

Thisismyusernamefornow · 09/11/2019 07:23

@bionicnemonic makes some good and valid points and I also believe your boyfriend is saying these things from a good place and not to manipulate or hurt you. However I don't think he's recognising that you (like many, many, many of us) are not wired to think that way until we are made aware of it. I also think he might have taken some of his learnings a little too literally and needs some time to adjust and see that it's not quite as cut and dry as just stating these learnings out loud.

I had a boyfriend very very similar to this and it was hard work because I didn't really understand his way of thinking. Ultimately he just wanted to show me love and how it felt to be loved although he wouldn't ration how many times he actually said the word "love". Once I had come to understand his meaning and way of thinking and opened my mind to the power of now and this moment it really helped me understand his motives.

Frith2013 · 09/11/2019 09:05

I need to go on a retreat to get over reading about this twat!

Moomin8 · 09/11/2019 09:16

He's emotionally abusive and also sounds like a narcissist tbh.

Imagine if you had a child together? Would the poor child also be on love rations?

IdblowJonSnow · 09/11/2019 09:31

Agree you need to go on a lifetime retreat from this fuckwit.
Life is way too short for this OP.

rocknrollchicken · 09/11/2019 09:41

Sorry not read the whole thread but the first thing that springs to mind is that he may have attachment issues. Perhaps have a look at Fearful Avoidant or Dismissive Avoidant personality types.
Failing that, he's a total twat and you should see this as a massive red flag and run a mile!

KingBobra · 09/11/2019 09:53

It sounds like he has bought into an "ideal" version of love, rather than "real-life" love. The version you get in novels and on TV. Not the one people actually live. "Love is kind" is one of the quotes often read out at weddings - he's not being kind to you.

Charlie Brooker did a great "How TV Ruined Your Life" episode on love. It might cheer you up and would definitely skewer his overblown idea of "love".

Storsteinen · 09/11/2019 10:08

You can do better than this wanker.
Sounds to me like he's hedging his bets.
He doesn't really love you but you're not too bad as a girlfriend so he'll keep you hanging on while looking around a bit to see what's out there.

Kolo · 09/11/2019 10:10

Hs sounds like Dawson in Dawsons creek.

Hahahahhahaha!

Storsteinen · 10/11/2019 18:18

Hs sounds like Dawson in Dawsons creek.

Wonder if he can do the Dawson miserable as sin face as well.

Interestedwoman · 10/11/2019 18:34

One or two people might think on one level that this is deep and meaningful and he's just got an elevated state of mind to the OP.

But it's more likely he's just a pretentious commitmentphobe, and what he's actually feeling is that he doesn't want to make any deep and enduring emotional commitment.

If he's saying he doesn't always feel love, it means he's unreliable basically. Everyone's feelings are more intense sometimes than others, but someone in a serious relationship still knows they love their OH.

Either way, a poncey plonker.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page