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DP says he doesn't want to use the word love anymore?

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PeriChicken340 · 05/11/2019 18:36

DP (27) and I have been together just less than a year having lived with each other for part of that (we started off as flat mates) and are now in a LDR, seeing each other once a month.

It started out with both of us saying we didn't want to do long distance... fast forward several months and he tells me he loves me but it still has to end when I move. Fast forward a couple of more months and we are on holiday together and he tells me that he loves me and wants to be with me having thought and that I'm worth it etc and wants to do long distance.

So I move and its a struggle because he gets a lot more out of being together which is understandable and we've only had one heated discussion since we got together - in which he is always reassuring - "remember I still love you and want to be with you" etc.

So we just get on with our lives messaging everyday, loving messages and I feel loved and cared for and especially when we are together. He has always said the word love to him is important and we don't (or didn't :/) say it everyday because then it would become "meaningless" if its just thrown around. It never bothered me because I would hear it sometimes and he would always be reassuring when we were having a tricky LDR day. Point being I felt treated so great and we've both said we want it to be long term - proposing "makes sense" with me which hasn't with previous relationships as does having children.

ANYWAY so everything was fine and then he goes away on a silent retreat for 10 days with no contact. He sets up 20 lovely scheduled emails to arrive every morning and evening and we see each other on Sunday, the day he comes back.

Everything was normal, we were cuddling etc and he was telling me all about his experience and then says he wants to talk because some things haven't been working.

He says he wants to feel like he can express how he really feels more freely because sometimes its hard to feel authentic in his loving messages when we are long distance and its starting to be draining and making him anxious. I say no problem, how do you imagine it being different? THEN he says that he cant say "I love you" as he was before because by his definition of it, he only feels it "sometimes" and it is so "sacred".

I fly off the handle basically and it gets heated. I ask (fml) and he says he doesn't really get upset at the thought of us not being together because "if there were a situation in which we broke up then it would be a good reason that would make us both happier...so I wouldn't feel very upset" and "well I'm happy by myself, I don't need you so I would be fine by myself... but it doesn't mean I don't want to be with you". He says he doesn't really look forward to seeing me until the day before but thats fine because its "like that with everyone" and "I don't really miss anyone".

He says he has to be honest and tell me this because he "wants to spend his life with me". I describe what I mean when I say I love him - he says that he feels all of that but can't say it in that context because it doesn't "come naturally" to him and "as soon as expectations are placed on the word it becomes anxiety provoking and draining and I start to disengage if I don't feel I can express myself freely without expectation". But still, he "loves us" and being with me...

But he still feels all those things for me that I would consider love. He just wants to use other words and will say love when he feels it.

So I went to bed yesterday (left his place yesterday morning) having spoken to him until 2am with tears streaming down my face.

I feel lied to and betrayed and I cannot emotionally understand it at all.

He sent me an objectively nice message this morning basically saying that he wants to move forward and find something that works because he wants it to work... "thank you for being you" etc and being able to have a difficult and painful conversation is "testament to us" and we are "still a team" and wants to plan what to do when he is meant to come up in a couple of weeks.

I replied saying I was hurting a lot and need space - to which he said okay and he doesn't want to cause me misery and wishes he was with me to hold me and give me a kiss and tell me everything would be okay (when in the past he would say he loved me D:).

Is he just processing shit from his (up and down) retreat experience and overthinking and communicating poorly after having not been able to for 10 days, or is this a serious issue? Logically it makes sense... I just feel so shit :(

Lots more was exchanged if any more info needed but I'm aware I've written half of my upcoming assignment!

Thanks for any insight and advice :/

OP posts:
CurlyhairedAssassin · 06/11/2019 17:43

Also, OP, if you’re still reading:

It started out with both of us saying we didn't want to do long distance... fast forward several months and he tells me he loves me but it still has to end when I move.

Just re-read what you wrote. If you truly love someone you don’t go “erm, nah” when the discussion of a LDR comes you. You move heaven and earth to be with that other person. I moved 200 miles away to be with my Dh (then fiancé) when he got promoted. We discussed his move together and we knew we would move as a couple.

It ain’t, love, OP. And adding a shed load of unnecessary drama to a relationship still doesn’t make it love.

Who was here who talked about OP as if it were a long term relationship. It really isn’t. It was just in the early stages really, and already failing. You’re just not meant to be with him. Listen to the signs and praise the lord that you realised what a knob he is early on.

ChilledBee · 06/11/2019 17:47

Sounds like he is doing that "love without attachment"thing. Google it. It isnt all bad.

catwithnohat · 06/11/2019 17:52

I'm shattered just reading that. This guy is a total drama queen who doesn't know what he wants except that its not you.

Cut your losses and find someone who's more likely to respect you and not play games.

Herocomplex · 06/11/2019 17:55

Tell him he needs to be free to live his life authentically.
Then find someone who’s nice to you.

humblebumblebees · 06/11/2019 18:05

I hope you're still here, OP. I agree with everyone, enlightened my arse.

What Herocomplex said, tell him you've given it a lot of thought and you are setting him free to live a truly selfish authentic life.

MrsSiriusBlack1 · 06/11/2019 18:13

Jesus, how did u not laugh in his face when he started spouting all that wanky bollocks?! How fucking embarrassing.

egontoste · 06/11/2019 18:16

He seems to be only interested in his own feelings, doesn't he? And everything has to be on his terms otherwise it's draining and making him anxious.

It's all self-absorbed, pretentious, navel-gazing wanky bollocks.

Although... there's something about what he says that makes me wonder about aspergers. Especially when he says he's the same with everyone and doesn't miss them when they arent there, and also the obsession of the 'meaning' of the word love, rather than the emotional feeling.

Up to you really, but he does sound rather a lot of hard work.

MashedSpud · 06/11/2019 18:26

Too much hard work.

He said if you broke up it would be fine. He doesn’t want to say he loves you as a form of control and also he doesn’t love you.

He loves himself more than anyone. Ditch the turd.

FizzyGreenWater · 06/11/2019 18:32

It sounds like the only place he retreated to was up his own arse, sadly.

What a knob!

Epona1 · 06/11/2019 20:53

You only see each other once a month? That’s not a relationship really is it?

Sounds like he’s giving you the excuse to end the relationship so he doesn’t feel guilty doing it.

No relationship should be this hard work, tell him to jog on

BareKneesDeCourcy · 06/11/2019 22:55

Ugh, what a wanker.

Dump him immediately!

LellyMcKelly · 06/11/2019 23:20

Jesus - get rid of that. Life is to short for that nonsense. Even the prescheduled messages are wanky. He couldn’t even be bothered being authentic. Does he see himself as some sort of guru? Either way he’s telling to you expect less than you deserve.

Dappledsunlight · 07/11/2019 23:31

I recognise this type of crap from a previous bf years ago when used to spew out all this pseudo psychological/spiritual baloney. He was a messed up young man who needed to get it all out of his system but he made my head spin with his twisted logic when all I wanted was a conventional head over heels romantic relationship. Your fella sounds similar, up his own backside on not needing you etc. How insulting to say he only gets excited the day before. He's passive aggressively rejecting you...no wonder you feel shit. Tell him you need some space from him now on a lifetime retreat so you can find someone who wants to scream he loves you from the rooftops. You deserve no less.

cantpick · 08/11/2019 01:43

A lifetime retreat 😂😂 gold

FreeBedForFlys · 08/11/2019 01:46

He’s disappeared up his own arse. Til much navel gazing at the retreat.

FreeBedForFlys · 08/11/2019 01:47

Too much.

cantpick · 08/11/2019 01:53

My ex was like this too. I was young (twenties) and so confused by it. Always listening to him waffle on and feeling like I needed to prove I was just as intelligent and interesting and deep. But always made to feel like I wasn't. He thought he was so unique and special.

The thing was I felt like I was actually a very thoughtful person. Kind in relationships and open minded with people.

My fucking god in the end did I realise how boring he was. Even the music he listened to was boring. It wasn't just him that was tortured, he tortured everybody else with his bullshit too.

1forAll74 · 08/11/2019 02:16

What a load of idiotic crap he speaks. Sounds like his silent retreat was taking LSD.

Topseyt · 08/11/2019 02:20

What a load of wanky bollocks. Asking him to pass the puke bucket would have been the best reaction to his "deepness" bullshit.

I couldn't be arsed to see him again. What a fuckwit.

BrendasUmbrella · 08/11/2019 02:27

What a pretentious knobhead. I'm amazed he was even able to complete a silent retreat, he clearly loves the sound of his own voice.

DeeCeeCherry · 08/11/2019 03:03

He's messing you about, and using what he thinks is clever (it's not tho) psycho-babble to tell you he doesn't love you anymore.

If you don't leave him, sooner or later he will leave you.

I'm rolling my eyes at the crap he's talking, and I bet he's not even embarrassed at himself for it.

Its long distance and not longterm - You'll get over him. It's a non-relationship really.

ChristmasFluff · 08/11/2019 11:14

OMG, is he Prince Charles?

Unless you want to be treated like Princess Diana - run, run like the wind.

Jiggles101 · 08/11/2019 11:47

'He gets a lot more out of being together which is understandable'

What do you mean by this?

I don't think the two of you sound well suited tbh, there's nothing wrong with him wanting to go on retreats (god some of you on here are so judgemental, just because something's a bit different!) and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with what he's saying, but if it's making you feel anxious and unhappy that's also not wrong and it's not going to work.

ShagMeRiggins · 08/11/2019 12:43

Hs sounds like Dawson in Dawsons creek.

mental colonic

permanent silent retreat

Grin

@PeriChicken340, I hope you come back to the thread, even if you’ve calmed down and decided to keep going with him.

It’s understandable to be hurt and confused, it’s also understandable to want to keep working in your relationship. Or to end it.

Either way, there’s support to be had inside these here Mumsnet walls. (Best said in American Western film style.). Wink

RuffleCrow · 08/11/2019 12:48

He has issues you will never be able to resolve. It's not you, it's him.

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