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DP says he doesn't want to use the word love anymore?

191 replies

PeriChicken340 · 05/11/2019 18:36

DP (27) and I have been together just less than a year having lived with each other for part of that (we started off as flat mates) and are now in a LDR, seeing each other once a month.

It started out with both of us saying we didn't want to do long distance... fast forward several months and he tells me he loves me but it still has to end when I move. Fast forward a couple of more months and we are on holiday together and he tells me that he loves me and wants to be with me having thought and that I'm worth it etc and wants to do long distance.

So I move and its a struggle because he gets a lot more out of being together which is understandable and we've only had one heated discussion since we got together - in which he is always reassuring - "remember I still love you and want to be with you" etc.

So we just get on with our lives messaging everyday, loving messages and I feel loved and cared for and especially when we are together. He has always said the word love to him is important and we don't (or didn't :/) say it everyday because then it would become "meaningless" if its just thrown around. It never bothered me because I would hear it sometimes and he would always be reassuring when we were having a tricky LDR day. Point being I felt treated so great and we've both said we want it to be long term - proposing "makes sense" with me which hasn't with previous relationships as does having children.

ANYWAY so everything was fine and then he goes away on a silent retreat for 10 days with no contact. He sets up 20 lovely scheduled emails to arrive every morning and evening and we see each other on Sunday, the day he comes back.

Everything was normal, we were cuddling etc and he was telling me all about his experience and then says he wants to talk because some things haven't been working.

He says he wants to feel like he can express how he really feels more freely because sometimes its hard to feel authentic in his loving messages when we are long distance and its starting to be draining and making him anxious. I say no problem, how do you imagine it being different? THEN he says that he cant say "I love you" as he was before because by his definition of it, he only feels it "sometimes" and it is so "sacred".

I fly off the handle basically and it gets heated. I ask (fml) and he says he doesn't really get upset at the thought of us not being together because "if there were a situation in which we broke up then it would be a good reason that would make us both happier...so I wouldn't feel very upset" and "well I'm happy by myself, I don't need you so I would be fine by myself... but it doesn't mean I don't want to be with you". He says he doesn't really look forward to seeing me until the day before but thats fine because its "like that with everyone" and "I don't really miss anyone".

He says he has to be honest and tell me this because he "wants to spend his life with me". I describe what I mean when I say I love him - he says that he feels all of that but can't say it in that context because it doesn't "come naturally" to him and "as soon as expectations are placed on the word it becomes anxiety provoking and draining and I start to disengage if I don't feel I can express myself freely without expectation". But still, he "loves us" and being with me...

But he still feels all those things for me that I would consider love. He just wants to use other words and will say love when he feels it.

So I went to bed yesterday (left his place yesterday morning) having spoken to him until 2am with tears streaming down my face.

I feel lied to and betrayed and I cannot emotionally understand it at all.

He sent me an objectively nice message this morning basically saying that he wants to move forward and find something that works because he wants it to work... "thank you for being you" etc and being able to have a difficult and painful conversation is "testament to us" and we are "still a team" and wants to plan what to do when he is meant to come up in a couple of weeks.

I replied saying I was hurting a lot and need space - to which he said okay and he doesn't want to cause me misery and wishes he was with me to hold me and give me a kiss and tell me everything would be okay (when in the past he would say he loved me D:).

Is he just processing shit from his (up and down) retreat experience and overthinking and communicating poorly after having not been able to for 10 days, or is this a serious issue? Logically it makes sense... I just feel so shit :(

Lots more was exchanged if any more info needed but I'm aware I've written half of my upcoming assignment!

Thanks for any insight and advice :/

OP posts:
Fatshedra · 06/11/2019 06:57

Are you a bit fixated on whether or not you row/ed.
I don't think it's a guide to a long term relationship. Some are very volatile.
Are you happy and relaxed together might be a better guide.

silenceofthemams · 06/11/2019 06:58

Definitely don't see him this weekend. Tell him you're on a "go fuck yourself" 2 day retreat.

Immerse yourself in a spiritual pairing of Netflix and Dairy Milk.

Aozora13 · 06/11/2019 07:01

This makes me think of the time my friend’s boyfriend said he was asexual then started shagging someone else a week later. You deserve better.

CherryPavlova · 06/11/2019 07:18

He’s weird. If a couple who are mainly apart have ten days off, you don’t expect one of them to disappear into a navel contemplating, self indulgent silent retreat. I’d have thought a week somewhere sunny together might be preferable.
He’s spinning twaddle to confuse you about what he’s actually doing. He is getting free sex when he hasn’t got anything better to do but doesn’t need to commit or offer anything much in return.
It’s called being used and will continue until you feel so undermined and desperate for nuggets of affection that you accept his way.
There is a different way. Find someone more respectful who wants a partnership.

SeaEagleFeather · 06/11/2019 07:26

You've shed a lot of tears over him. Let them be the last because there'll be a lot more to come if you stay with him.

BillHadersNewWife · 06/11/2019 07:40

Also...and I might be unreasonable here, I have little patience for retreats.

Ok if you're planning on being a monk or a nun...but the average person could just book themselves a B&B for a week if they need some down time.

Why does it have to be this sacred experience?

EoinMcLovesCakeJumper · 06/11/2019 08:13

Because sitting around thinking about yourself for 10 whole days is only acceptable if you surround yourself with a load of New Agey woo and other people all doing the same thing. If you did it in a B&B it would just look like a cry for help.

Zaphodsotherhead · 06/11/2019 08:32

Tell him to light a candle in the woods for you, and let you go with the smoke.

He'll probably bloody do it, too.

afternoonspray · 06/11/2019 08:38

He sounds like enormously hard work. Very emotionally draining and over analytical. Of all the things you could spend your lives discussing, unpicking the value of how often you say 'I love you' and whether using that expression devalues its sacredness is ludicrously navel gazing.

Find a sane, unproblematic man and enjoy a relationship with him. Even 25 years down the line, I love being with DH because most of the time, it's fun. It can be hard work too, but it's entertaining. It's deep emotion lightly worn.

He sounds so turgid.

hellsbellsmelons · 06/11/2019 08:45

What a self important bore he is Love this!
Yep and @Tigerty has it spot on!

TatianaLarina · 06/11/2019 08:46

So I move and its a struggle because he gets a lot more out of being together which is understandable

Interesting - what does this mean? Why does he get more out of it?

That aside - he’s a self-absorbed self-indulgent cockwomble - I‘d run for the hills personally.

anniemac1 · 06/11/2019 08:47

Gosh.........all the advice above is spot on.howvever people rarely take it. Do you. Like the drama? It seems a very unhealthy way to hurt yourself when you can stop it.we allow people to treat us badly.... so see this as a maturing thing. Good luck.

Wintercandles · 06/11/2019 08:53

he goes away on a silent retreat for 10 days with no contact

No he didn't

He sets up 20 lovely scheduled emails to arrive every morning and evening and we see each other on Sunday, the day he comes back

That's weird and calculated. It was a way of hiding him taking the piss

You need to run

ScreamingLadySutch · 06/11/2019 10:24

"He is training you to accept being fucked around with."

This.

You are in training to be a side dish fuck whilst he gets his main source elsewhere.

You are FAR more valuable than this OP.

Two words only needed:

OK, Bye

Driechdrizzle · 06/11/2019 10:32

Was he actually on a silent retreat or was he off with another woman? He wouldn't be able to text you night and morning if he was with her, but twenty schedule emails would apparently keep you sweet while he was doing whatever he had to do.

He doesn't love you, he doesn't want to say it to you. That's all you need to know.

Countryboy1 · 06/11/2019 10:36

Its quite clear that whilst on this silent retreat, he was busy setting up a new age cult....seriously what an absolute ponce......I feel embarrased for him...do yerself a favour and just block the cunt.

PinkMonkeyBird · 06/11/2019 10:37

Jesus...what a self absorbed tosser, he is!! Honestly OP, it is all very one sided from reading this and will continue to be so for the duration. You sound lovely and patient, too good for him. I go along with many on here urging you to think carefully about carrying on with this half arsed relationship.

Believe me there will be someone else out there who will love you wholeheartedly, without the wanky bullshit!

LionsHeart · 06/11/2019 10:42

Cringeworthy, pretentious, verbal diarrhoea.

He wants to keep you dangling. He doesn't love you.

Keep YOUR return message short 'n sweet - IT'S OVER.

hellsbellsmelons · 06/11/2019 10:51

Keep YOUR return message short 'n sweet - IT'S OVER.
And add a link to this thread and then block!
Grin

TimeForAChristmasUsername · 06/11/2019 12:59

He's having you on love

afternoonspray · 06/11/2019 16:41

*Tell him to light a candle in the woods for you, and let you go with the smoke.

He'll probably bloody do it, too.*

@Zaphodsotherhead - that made me cackle. Grin

afternoonspray · 06/11/2019 16:44

I completely believe he was on a silent retreat, drearily analyzing how over-use of the world love will desecrate its meaning and musing on how to control OP so that she doesn't develop her own opinions on emotional matters but adheres to the loony strutures he intends to put in place.

OP I'd give a massive yawn and say, 'Shall we call it a day, then love?'

AFairlyHardAvocado · 06/11/2019 17:02

The saddest thing about this kind of person is that they spend forever looking for a deeper meaning in everything, seeking a more intellectual way of discussing the human condition and craving moments of self discovery.

And while all that faux bullshit going on they don't get to enjoy life and be happy because they never take the time to relax, be themselves and have fun.

They are also really, really fucking boring - onwards and upwards!

AryaStarkWolf · 06/11/2019 17:08

Tell him you're on a "go fuck yourself" 2 day retreat.

haha

I am also curious to know why he gets more out of meeting up than you do though?

JuneSpoon · 06/11/2019 17:12

I git about 7 lines in . He's wasting your time and head space