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DP says he doesn't want to use the word love anymore?

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PeriChicken340 · 05/11/2019 18:36

DP (27) and I have been together just less than a year having lived with each other for part of that (we started off as flat mates) and are now in a LDR, seeing each other once a month.

It started out with both of us saying we didn't want to do long distance... fast forward several months and he tells me he loves me but it still has to end when I move. Fast forward a couple of more months and we are on holiday together and he tells me that he loves me and wants to be with me having thought and that I'm worth it etc and wants to do long distance.

So I move and its a struggle because he gets a lot more out of being together which is understandable and we've only had one heated discussion since we got together - in which he is always reassuring - "remember I still love you and want to be with you" etc.

So we just get on with our lives messaging everyday, loving messages and I feel loved and cared for and especially when we are together. He has always said the word love to him is important and we don't (or didn't :/) say it everyday because then it would become "meaningless" if its just thrown around. It never bothered me because I would hear it sometimes and he would always be reassuring when we were having a tricky LDR day. Point being I felt treated so great and we've both said we want it to be long term - proposing "makes sense" with me which hasn't with previous relationships as does having children.

ANYWAY so everything was fine and then he goes away on a silent retreat for 10 days with no contact. He sets up 20 lovely scheduled emails to arrive every morning and evening and we see each other on Sunday, the day he comes back.

Everything was normal, we were cuddling etc and he was telling me all about his experience and then says he wants to talk because some things haven't been working.

He says he wants to feel like he can express how he really feels more freely because sometimes its hard to feel authentic in his loving messages when we are long distance and its starting to be draining and making him anxious. I say no problem, how do you imagine it being different? THEN he says that he cant say "I love you" as he was before because by his definition of it, he only feels it "sometimes" and it is so "sacred".

I fly off the handle basically and it gets heated. I ask (fml) and he says he doesn't really get upset at the thought of us not being together because "if there were a situation in which we broke up then it would be a good reason that would make us both happier...so I wouldn't feel very upset" and "well I'm happy by myself, I don't need you so I would be fine by myself... but it doesn't mean I don't want to be with you". He says he doesn't really look forward to seeing me until the day before but thats fine because its "like that with everyone" and "I don't really miss anyone".

He says he has to be honest and tell me this because he "wants to spend his life with me". I describe what I mean when I say I love him - he says that he feels all of that but can't say it in that context because it doesn't "come naturally" to him and "as soon as expectations are placed on the word it becomes anxiety provoking and draining and I start to disengage if I don't feel I can express myself freely without expectation". But still, he "loves us" and being with me...

But he still feels all those things for me that I would consider love. He just wants to use other words and will say love when he feels it.

So I went to bed yesterday (left his place yesterday morning) having spoken to him until 2am with tears streaming down my face.

I feel lied to and betrayed and I cannot emotionally understand it at all.

He sent me an objectively nice message this morning basically saying that he wants to move forward and find something that works because he wants it to work... "thank you for being you" etc and being able to have a difficult and painful conversation is "testament to us" and we are "still a team" and wants to plan what to do when he is meant to come up in a couple of weeks.

I replied saying I was hurting a lot and need space - to which he said okay and he doesn't want to cause me misery and wishes he was with me to hold me and give me a kiss and tell me everything would be okay (when in the past he would say he loved me D:).

Is he just processing shit from his (up and down) retreat experience and overthinking and communicating poorly after having not been able to for 10 days, or is this a serious issue? Logically it makes sense... I just feel so shit :(

Lots more was exchanged if any more info needed but I'm aware I've written half of my upcoming assignment!

Thanks for any insight and advice :/

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Butterymuffin · 05/11/2019 19:14

He sounds like very hard work. I would back right off. As Knicker said above he wants you to cry and work hard to do the 'right' thing to make him comfortable. Except that keeps changing to keep you on the back foot. Tell him it's all been very intense and you both need some time and space to reflect, then go silent. Don't give him the concerned attention he wants.

Peanutbuttermouth · 05/11/2019 19:18

I'd put money on him having met someone on his retreat. Sack him off. He sounds like a douche anyway.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 05/11/2019 19:20

@PeriChicken340 - As an erstwhile "New Ager", I came across myriad people who wrap emotional avoidance and the vulnerability of loving someone in a whole lot of spiritual hooey.

But it's still emotional avoidance, no matter how much he wants to "namaste" his way out of it.

There's also a reason you were in a LDR. Don't buy his bullshit.

busybarbara · 05/11/2019 19:23

It sounds like he’s being “too honest”. It is absolutely true that most people do not feel undying emotional love for their partner 24/7 but most of us keep our mouths shut and pretend we do because it upsets other people if you say that. This is a circumstance where he should follow along with the common lie.

picklemepopcorn · 05/11/2019 19:27

No, don't see him.

Be prepared for an attempt at love bombing you, that he's devastated he upset you, or he 'can't understand why you are over reacting like this'.

He's setting the relationship up to be all about pandering to him, his feelings, his needs. He doesn't have to think about how it impacts you because he's 'being honest'.

Don't walk, run.

Celledora · 05/11/2019 19:27

Giving him the benefit of the doubt - listen to him when he is telling you who he is. I had a boyfriend a bit like this. On the surface it could work and as friends we were great. As life partners, he was a cold fish and I would have been very lonely. Life is a right arse sometimes.

MidnightMystery · 05/11/2019 19:28

He doesn't want to say he loves you because he doesn't.

He's a dick. You can do so much better Thanks

Anonanonanonanonanonanonanon · 05/11/2019 19:29

My husband, in the early stage of our relationship, claimed that he didn't think people should say "I love you" very often, because it devalued the word. I told him he was talking shite, and he very quickly realised he was too.

It was certainly emotional avoidance resulting from hurt caused by a previous girlfriend (who told him she loved him about 4 weeks before dumping him). I should also point out that we were very young - under 20 - so very inexperienced in relationships in general. How old is your long distance boyfriend? He sounds about 16.

Now (20 years later) my husband tells me he loves me a lot - probably more than I tell him. You need to call your boyfriend out on this silliness and suggest he either acts like a grown-up or jogs on.

OkayGo · 05/11/2019 19:32

Tell him the universe has told you that he’s a complete fuckwit and you no longer want him around to mess up your aura.

(He’s a dickhead)

ShagMeRiggins · 05/11/2019 19:33

So I move and its a struggle because he gets a lot more out of being together which is understandable

OP, what do you mean by this?

BuildBuildings · 05/11/2019 19:33

He sounds so self involved. I mean tbh I couldn't be with someone who went a silent retreat! Run away. He's messing with you.

BuildBuildings · 05/11/2019 19:35

Also from your op he sound like he thinks he's in charge. Calling the shots on loads of stuff.

SoyDora · 05/11/2019 19:36

Good lord what a load of absolute bullshit he’s spouting. How can you be bothered to listen to it??

unfathomablefathoms · 05/11/2019 19:37

He sets up 20 lovely scheduled emails to arrive every morning and evening

Homebase do the same for me, but I don't interpret it as effort being put into a relationship with me.

He is training you to accept being fucked around with.

JulietakaIris · 05/11/2019 19:38

Sounds like his heads been turned tbh.

Everydaylife · 05/11/2019 19:41

OMG it’s a shame you couldn’t bring yourself to laugh instead of cry.

bionicnemonic · 05/11/2019 19:42

OP can I suggest you read a little about Buddhism and living in the moment. A lot of what he says makes sense...it’s just we don’t encounter that type of thinking in our culture very often so it seems alien to us. IT sounds like he is being true to his heart and honest, but with our way of saying things (it’s like some one says ‘they gave it 150%’, 150% doesn’t exist, it doesn’t mean anything...inflation doesn’t make things more valuable. I suspect he is philosopher.

ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule · 05/11/2019 19:42

He's a dick. My DH and I were LDR for a year at the beginning, and while LD in itself is hard, the rest just shouldn't be this hard. Saying you love each other doesn't make it lose meaning just because you say it loads. DH still tells me he loves me every single day and I tell him too - we went from LDR to living together to engaged to married and we've been together 19 years. It won't wear out because our love isn't worn out.

Run away OP, you deserve better.

WeeMadArthur · 05/11/2019 19:43

Fuck him off OP, he is in love with navel gazing. It really shouldn’t be this hard. A person that really loves you shouldn’t have you crying on the phone for hours.

bionicnemonic · 05/11/2019 19:43

For you OP, try to hear the lyrics!
m.youtube.com/watch?v=UrIiLvg58SY

Candle1000 · 05/11/2019 19:45

It made my head hurt reading all his bollocky spiel. It shouldn’t be this difficult, if you love someone the word just trips off your tongue , like you just can’t hold it in .

I can’t stand people that are into all this soul searching bollocks.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 05/11/2019 19:46

Fuck. That. Shit.

curlykaren · 05/11/2019 19:47

He's a pretentious fuck and is setting up your relationship to be all on his terms. Run. Fast.

Groovinpeanut · 05/11/2019 19:47

I have to say if I had to listen to that load of shite OP, I'd be the one doing the retreating!
What an absolute load of bollox!
I'd just do your own thing now, and don't make yourself available. See your friends and get on with your life. Sitting around waiting to see this idiot once a month is pointless. You're worth so much more. Hold out for someone who loves you and tells you they love you.

HungryForApples · 05/11/2019 19:47

Hmm I'm in 2 minds here, on the one hand this could just be a case of differing love languages, have you looked into that? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheFiveeLoveLanguages?wprov=sfti1

On the other hand, I was once in a relationship with a guy who didn't want to say he loved me (despite his actions suggesting to me he did) and it ended miserably. I promised myself I wouldn't put up with that again and now have a very lovey dovey DH!