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What would you do next? Am I over reacting?

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WhatWouldYouDoNext · 23/10/2019 09:53

Hi all. This is going to be quite long for clarity. Sorry and thanks for reading.

I have been very close friends with a married man for around 8 years. I'm also friendly with his wife but have a lot more in common with him. It's all above board - our families have holidayed and spent Christmas together, there are no concerns about impropriety.

Around the start of the summer, his behaviour towards me started to change - I feel like he 'argues' with me now for the sake of it (claims to be playing Devil's Advocate but also to hold these views dear, yet has also contradicted himself); has started 'picking' on me - finding fault in what I'm saying; saying things I can only assume are intended to undermine my confidence - things like telling me men have looked at me in 'disgust' or that my 'ego is showing' when I'm simply not being down on myself and that I'm single due to my resting bitch face (joke!). That kind of thing.

We play in a band together. We've gigged a lot over the summer and some of them have included overnight stays and have been a lot of fun so I didn't say anything - not wanting to create an unpleasant atmosphere for the others - and largely dealt with it by ignoring and avoiding but it hasn't made much impact. I did try telling him that his behaviour towards me had changed and I didn't like it but rather than asking what I meant or opening a dialogue, he just said, "I could say the same about you" and shut it down.

A couple of mutual friends suggested he feels threatened by my new friendships within band and is feeling pushed out; that he is jealous because I play a 'higher profile' instrument than he does - not only does this mean that I'm more 'visible' than he is but that if I can't make a gig/left band, I'd have to be replaced whereas he wouldn't. It's been suggested that he is struggling to find his place in the band and that he is trying to be 'blokey' to fit in with the men better - I know that a couple of people find him a bit 'try hard' with a particular persona he has pushed.

I don't disagree with any of that and I think that all of it is relevant. I agree that he has found it socially difficult with them but he really likes them and loves being in the band. I agree that all of those are probably an issue for him. But none of them are my fault or my problem to solve.

However, in the event that I had inadvertently 'pushed him out', at the start of September, I resolved to make more of an effort to spend time with him. Although, the only reason I was spending less time with him was because of how he was behaving towards me.

Nevertheless, I have seen him a few times over the past few weeks and it seemed to all be relatively back to normal. No issues except for maybe a couple of little comments that I didn't like but I wasn't sure if I was just more 'sensitive' to things he was saying now. But there wasn't anything specifically unkind that was directed towards me. So I started to see it as having been resolved.

Anyway, fast forward to a few days ago. We travel to/from band practise together and, at the end of practise, he said it was time to go and he straighted his arm out and put his outstretched hand into my face to push me backwards/aside. I was horrified and stunned. We'd been talking to another man who was visibly shocked by it. I felt humiliated and didn't know how to react.

What I wish I'd done was say, "what the fuck are you doing? Don't you ever fucking touch me like that again!" What I did was try and laugh it off and said to the other man, "he's a bit of a twat, isn't he?" to which my 'friend' laughed and said, "yes I am" but he was behind me and halfway out the door by this point. The other guy just looked a bit shocked and didn't reply.

I had to travel home with him but didn't speak to him and just said I was tired when he asked what the matter was. He was talking about us going out at the weekend so clearly didn't see anything wrong in what he'd done.

I have a long standing history of abuse stemming from childhood and following on to a number of abusive relationships, that still impacts on me now and, coincidentally, the following day, I had a pre-assessment appointment for therapy to deal with this. Which i why I'm not sure if I'm overreacting to this because now I feel I have completely shut down to him. I no longer consider him a friend. I want nothing more to do with him. I don't want to see, speak to, or even be in the same room as him again.

I can deal with the family/friendship side of it - I will just have nothing to do with him but I don't know what to do about band. I don't want to be in practises with him. I don't want to do gigs with him. I don't want to see him in any capacity whatsoever. But I don't see a solution. I could leave but we have several gigs coming up in the next couple of months and I'd be leaving them massively in the shit.

I've since mentioned it to one person in the band who feels that I ought to give it no energy, put it down to being his problem and not let it affect me but I've woken up again thinking about it , feeling angry and with my heart pounding. So I thought I'd bring it here.

What would you do next?

OP posts:
TowelNumber42 · 07/11/2019 19:24

I think you are supposed to be weeping into your pillow over what you've lost then beg him to come back. Yawn.

RandomMess · 07/11/2019 19:25

Towel 😂😂😂😂😂

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 09/11/2019 07:53

Final update:

He's leaving band.

OP posts:
ContessaLovesTheSunshine · 09/11/2019 08:09

Grin shocker!

How was this communicated to the group, OP? And does anyone care?!

RandomMess · 09/11/2019 08:14

🥳🎉

Elyat · 09/11/2019 08:22

Just read all your posts on this thread op. So well handled and just want you to know, quite aspirational. Similar to how you've described, I can really struggle with boundaries and absolute feel a need to over explain and justify why I feel the way I do, especially if I feel negative about something. I think it stems from my childhood and my feelings and opinions always being belittled/wrong so now I have absolutely no confidence that I could possibly be in the right or justified in my feelings. It's very heartening to read your post so thank you.

Shit, apologies for making your post about me. I'm really sorry for what's happened in this friendship but I'm so glad it's worked out ok with the band. Here's to the future!

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 09/11/2019 09:32

Elyat

Thanks. And don't worry about sharing your experiences! That's how we all grow and learn after all 🙂 but yes, I get it completely esp about the having no confidence.

ContessaLovesTheSunshine

It hasn't been yet. A mutual friend told me. The reasons he gave were not wanting it to be awkward in band for anyone else; not wanting me to leave because of the reasons I gave here; and not knowing what I've told people so being uncertain of other people's reactions to him.

I don't know if he'll be in touch with people individually or if he'll send a single message or just not go back but I've noticed over the last few days that he's started being more active in liking/commenting on band members fb posts so I suspect he is gearing up to say something if he hasn't already.

My responses to his reasons are that he is attempting ro appear the 'bigger person's and is worried about being called out on his dick moves. Friend had come to the same conclusion. After all, I've only told people what he did/said. Nothing was embellished and, if anything, I underplayed it.

I wouldn't say I was 'happy' about it. I'd rather it had never happened and that he had been the friend I thought he was. But I do feel relieved.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 09/11/2019 09:44

He is still being a Dick and trying to power play - YAWN

I reckon he is hoping you will feel bad and beg him to stay, that he doesn't need to leave - YADDA

Such a dick

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 09/11/2019 10:04

I agree.

Except that I suspect he's hoping others will tell him its unnecessary rather than me.

I hope they don't and, as I've made them aware he's trying to manipulate, hopefully they'll see it for what it is.

OP posts:
TowelNumber42 · 09/11/2019 10:06

This is an excellent outcome. You get the bands. He fucks off. No drama is being fed. You come out of it smelling of roses. He is dialing down the drama and slinking off. Nice result.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 09/11/2019 10:13

Fingers crossed, Towel 🤞🏻

OP posts:
cstaff · 09/11/2019 12:53

OP I don't think you could have planned this better if you tried.

You just need to keep your head down and hope it goes your way. If other band members ask your opinion just be honest and tell how uncomfortable he makes you feel. Good luck OP.

Innishh · 09/11/2019 13:21

Just be careful - he might be trying to set up a flying monkey. I do hope that he has slunk off in shame - but equally he sounds a v manipulative, obsessive, controlling egotist.......and he might well have some other scheming going on.

Nothing for you to change in what you do or say - just keep dignified. I would be cautious about what you say to any of the other band members now - as people like a bit of drama and gossip. If anyone asks you why he has left - be honest say and you didn’t know he had left and they should ask HIM not YOU why HE left. Careful not to fan any flames.

billy1966 · 09/11/2019 15:13

OP, while I definitely hope he goes, my gut is this another 'play' from him.

He doesn't want to leave. He's definitely hoping to garner symphony, with the result that somehow it turns around and 'we can all rub along together', becomes the narrative.

He's unsure exactly how much you have told them and is desperately trying to hang on.

I agree with above. Don't fan flames, but don't play down how upset you were to be pushed in the face by him.

Focus on the fact that you do not feel comfortable or safe in his company since he physical assaulted you.

This is all about HIS behaviour, you just want to play in a band WITHOUT drama.

OP, I think you need to realise a lot of women would go absolutely MENTAL if some man pushed them in the face like that.

The sheer fury they would feel at the cheek of him laying his hands on them.

I absolutely think he assaulted you.

He's lucky to be getting away with it.

Wishing you the best.

💐

RandomMess · 09/11/2019 15:22

Billy

Garnering symphony from the band members 😂 brill typo

chilling19 · 09/11/2019 16:56

Just read the whole thread. Well done OP, you have handled this well and instead of being bullied out of an activity you love, have ended up in a situation where the bully had to leave. I am sorry that you have lost a 'friend', but my experience is that once you begin to get emotionally healthy, you find a lot of the friendships you had were built on unhealth dynamics which you just couldn't see before.

chilling19 · 09/11/2019 16:57

Posted too soon - unhealthy dynamics. Now you have been through this, you will find that you will begin to spot the abusers really quickly. I no longer have any emotional vampires in my life and it is joyful 💐

billy1966 · 09/11/2019 17:24

@RandomMess🤪🤣

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 10/11/2019 21:50

billy1966

Yeah, I have similar concerns. I just don't trust him at all anymore. I don't feel I can predict his next move at all.

I'm just hopeful that he will realise the face push will be universally not accepted, esp as it was witnessed, and I think he's probably feeling a bit ashamed of that and worried that he will be viewed less favourably by the others.

Hopefully...

chilling19

Thanks. Hopefully! I've done pretty well this year and letting toxic friendships go. I hadn't realised that all of my close friendships were slightly dysfunctional with slightly dysfunctional people.

I have met people through band - directly and indirectly - who I think are better for me.

OP posts:
ContessaLovesTheSunshine · 20/11/2019 22:47

How's it going OP? I saw a thread about someone trying to shift a toxic 'friend' and thought of you Grin hope he's vanished into the ether!

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