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What would you do next? Am I over reacting?

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WhatWouldYouDoNext · 23/10/2019 09:53

Hi all. This is going to be quite long for clarity. Sorry and thanks for reading.

I have been very close friends with a married man for around 8 years. I'm also friendly with his wife but have a lot more in common with him. It's all above board - our families have holidayed and spent Christmas together, there are no concerns about impropriety.

Around the start of the summer, his behaviour towards me started to change - I feel like he 'argues' with me now for the sake of it (claims to be playing Devil's Advocate but also to hold these views dear, yet has also contradicted himself); has started 'picking' on me - finding fault in what I'm saying; saying things I can only assume are intended to undermine my confidence - things like telling me men have looked at me in 'disgust' or that my 'ego is showing' when I'm simply not being down on myself and that I'm single due to my resting bitch face (joke!). That kind of thing.

We play in a band together. We've gigged a lot over the summer and some of them have included overnight stays and have been a lot of fun so I didn't say anything - not wanting to create an unpleasant atmosphere for the others - and largely dealt with it by ignoring and avoiding but it hasn't made much impact. I did try telling him that his behaviour towards me had changed and I didn't like it but rather than asking what I meant or opening a dialogue, he just said, "I could say the same about you" and shut it down.

A couple of mutual friends suggested he feels threatened by my new friendships within band and is feeling pushed out; that he is jealous because I play a 'higher profile' instrument than he does - not only does this mean that I'm more 'visible' than he is but that if I can't make a gig/left band, I'd have to be replaced whereas he wouldn't. It's been suggested that he is struggling to find his place in the band and that he is trying to be 'blokey' to fit in with the men better - I know that a couple of people find him a bit 'try hard' with a particular persona he has pushed.

I don't disagree with any of that and I think that all of it is relevant. I agree that he has found it socially difficult with them but he really likes them and loves being in the band. I agree that all of those are probably an issue for him. But none of them are my fault or my problem to solve.

However, in the event that I had inadvertently 'pushed him out', at the start of September, I resolved to make more of an effort to spend time with him. Although, the only reason I was spending less time with him was because of how he was behaving towards me.

Nevertheless, I have seen him a few times over the past few weeks and it seemed to all be relatively back to normal. No issues except for maybe a couple of little comments that I didn't like but I wasn't sure if I was just more 'sensitive' to things he was saying now. But there wasn't anything specifically unkind that was directed towards me. So I started to see it as having been resolved.

Anyway, fast forward to a few days ago. We travel to/from band practise together and, at the end of practise, he said it was time to go and he straighted his arm out and put his outstretched hand into my face to push me backwards/aside. I was horrified and stunned. We'd been talking to another man who was visibly shocked by it. I felt humiliated and didn't know how to react.

What I wish I'd done was say, "what the fuck are you doing? Don't you ever fucking touch me like that again!" What I did was try and laugh it off and said to the other man, "he's a bit of a twat, isn't he?" to which my 'friend' laughed and said, "yes I am" but he was behind me and halfway out the door by this point. The other guy just looked a bit shocked and didn't reply.

I had to travel home with him but didn't speak to him and just said I was tired when he asked what the matter was. He was talking about us going out at the weekend so clearly didn't see anything wrong in what he'd done.

I have a long standing history of abuse stemming from childhood and following on to a number of abusive relationships, that still impacts on me now and, coincidentally, the following day, I had a pre-assessment appointment for therapy to deal with this. Which i why I'm not sure if I'm overreacting to this because now I feel I have completely shut down to him. I no longer consider him a friend. I want nothing more to do with him. I don't want to see, speak to, or even be in the same room as him again.

I can deal with the family/friendship side of it - I will just have nothing to do with him but I don't know what to do about band. I don't want to be in practises with him. I don't want to do gigs with him. I don't want to see him in any capacity whatsoever. But I don't see a solution. I could leave but we have several gigs coming up in the next couple of months and I'd be leaving them massively in the shit.

I've since mentioned it to one person in the band who feels that I ought to give it no energy, put it down to being his problem and not let it affect me but I've woken up again thinking about it , feeling angry and with my heart pounding. So I thought I'd bring it here.

What would you do next?

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WhatWouldYouDoNext · 30/10/2019 12:03

Thanks.

Bluerussian

Old me would have procrastinate loads; moaned about it to ther people a lot; and ultimately done nothing 🙄

The two friends I've already lost this year were also because I was enforcing boundaries. I bumped into one recently and he said he'd really missed me - I'd missed him too - and told me that he really missed just talking to me and how clearly I saw solutions to problems he was having. He asked me if we could meet up again and talk - resume the friendship. He apologised for the way he'd treated me. I just told him that i accepted his apology; was pleased I'd seen him and there were no longer any hard feelings but that i wouldnt be meeting up with him or resuming the friendship because i couldn't forget the things he'd said and how deeply he'd hurt me. He said he was sad about that but understood and accepted my position.

Previously, I'd have felt almost obliged to give him another chance - God knows how many I'd already given him!

Anyway, I do feel better that we'd spoken and cleared their, but I stood my ground and that is, in part, what made me feel more confident about doing it this time.

I know I was checking a lot on here but I don't find it easy to know how to deal with conflicts or to trust my own judgements on occasion.

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Innishh · 30/10/2019 13:51

Your last post What - is incredible - how emotionally intelligent of you and amazing that these boundaries with that person didn’t erupt and fester for decades - he has learnt something v valuable. But most impressive is that you haven’t had him back as you know that he drained you emotionally.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 30/10/2019 13:59

I kind of didn't have any choice really.

It is hard though. Especially when you're getting 'advice' to the contrary from other people. I hadn't really realised how many people (women) have terrible boundaries until I started developing some.

What I really need to get better at is spotting the potential for 'abuse' rather than finding myself in the middle of it.

A lot of people ask why they attract this sort of people. I dont believe it is about attracting abusive people. I think it's more that abusive people will target specific people or just anyone and some people are better at fielding them away sooner.

I'm not very good at recognising all but the obvious red flags unfortunately 🙄

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Innishh · 30/10/2019 14:31

Most abusive people are manipulative - they wear their mask for ages until they make their move and trample on your boundaries - how on earth is anyone supposed to see red flags in that?

All you can do is to know that once your gut is sensing something - even if you can’t put your finger on something objective or concrete - listen to it and step well back from the relationship (don’t share intimacies, be less available, don’t respond so quickly) and then be vigilant.

That’s actually putting in a boundary - a non abusive person would respect your distance and treat you OK - but an abusive person would then push and chase.

I like you have been tangled up with toxic others who just want to dump their emotions on me - and it’s never reciprocated. It’s hard learning to put in boundaries but once you do it is very freeing at satisfying - and then your life is full of positive people. Was given this cheesy fridge magnet today at my slimming club - but the words might help you.....

“Take pride in how far you have come and have faith in how far you will go.”

justilou1 · 30/10/2019 14:43

Man alive, you are rocking it with the boundaries! Who knows, you might just make it as one of those fancy, functioning adults I keep reading about! 🤣 Good for you, Girl!

NettleTea · 30/10/2019 17:05

I agree, lots of abusive people will try their manipulations on a whole rack of people - if you have boundaries you knock them back and they move onto those who let them in.
There is an analogy used for this in Australia - the shark cage theory

www.wbsass.com.au/services/shark-cage

Innishh · 30/10/2019 17:34

That’s a great image Nettletea

Another phrase I read on here was:

Givers need to set the boundaries because takers never do.

Just as useful for all of the everyday CFs in this world as the abusers.....

InvisibleWomenMustBeRead · 30/10/2019 20:00

Great analogy @NettleTea & very true @Innishh

justilou1 · 02/11/2019 02:25

Just wondering how things have played out with dynamics over the weekend with the band and with Tantypants, OP? I think he has been playing the really long game to get you, and is absolutely furious because he feels completely entitled and has been thwarted by your sudden development of self-esteem.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 03/11/2019 15:52

justilou1

Thanks for asking!

We had a gig this weekend and he just didn't turn up. Didn't say anything to anyone - just didn't show.

A couple of jokes were made about it; a couple of people asked if I'd spoken to him but no one really seemed bothered.

It's very uncharacteristic of him to not turn up and not say anything, I did wonder if it was another attempt to manipulate/game play - eg to see what people's reaction was or to be able to tell people I'd made it a hostile environment for him, that sort of thing. But i don't think it would work.

The more I think about it, the more your 'long game'/emotional affair explanation seems to make sense. I can't believe I just didn't see it 🙄

Will be interesting to see if he turns up to the next practise.

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UpfieldHatesWomen · 03/11/2019 16:01

Glad it's going your way so far, OP. Stick to your boundaries and don't let him hoodwink you.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 03/11/2019 21:07

don't let him hoodwink you

Certainly won't be letting that happen!

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billy1966 · 03/11/2019 22:06

Great update.

Please update again.

It's such a relief to read of the occasional OP, who kicks the dick to touch.

Way too many of the other that I feel bad for.

💐

justilou1 · 03/11/2019 22:21

I think he’s lost his target and there’s not point in him going. My guess is that there are no potential victims in the group, so he has to move onto another. (Also, maybe BL has spoken to him and he’s mortified.) Here’s hoping this wanker has slunk away.

BendyLikeBeckham · 03/11/2019 23:23

great news OP, I stand in awe of your boundary setting!!!

And I knew I was right about his feelings/desire for you. You aren't his property, he has no right to overstep your boundaries, and I agree he is pissed off because he ended up looking foolish and desperate and you bruised his ego. Poor him! Not.

Carry on enjoying the band. Perhaps he will never return.

RandomMess · 04/11/2019 08:33

Onwards and upwards with your new lovely friends!

His poor wife Sad

EleanorShellstrop100 · 05/11/2019 04:31

I can clearly visualize what he did and it’s giving me the rage just thinking about it. I’ve had a similar thing happen to me before with a male friend - our friendship soured and got really weird for no real reason and sounds similar to this. We socialized a lot in a going out/meals/drinks in the pub setting so I ended up blurting it all out to him after a few drinks! That he’s changed towards me and I didn’t know why and I was sick of it. It got a bit heated but it turned out it was exactly what was needed as it really cleared the air and has been find since. In hindsight I think it was to do with his own personal issues and not about me (and it sounds the same in your situation).

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 05/11/2019 13:53

Glad to hear your friendship issue resolved itself, EleanorShellstrop100 did you find out what his personal issues were?

He posted something I'd lent him back through my letterbox last night - like a proper breakup! 😁 which reminded me I have some of this things too... not sure why it couldn't have waited till he saw me at band though. Again, it felt like more passive aggression rather than necessary. Whatever... 🙄

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RandomMess · 05/11/2019 14:01

I think returning his stuff could be a perfect reason to pop around when only his wife is there...

Only to suss out if she is actually ok tbh and not been driven crazy by his game playing.

eddielizzard · 05/11/2019 14:05

Maybe he's not planning on going back to the band... Perhaps he's realised he's blown it.

TowelNumber42 · 05/11/2019 14:31

He wants to see of you call him and ask why he put the stuff through the post box.

If you drop his stuff back at his house, it does look like a break up. Only you can decide if you want his wife to be aware. She might have been doing the pick me dance unaware that you and he weren't actually having an affair.

UpfieldHatesWomen · 05/11/2019 15:37

Can you send his stuff back to him through the post? Looks like he's trying to force contact. Also trying to make you feel guilty, because isn't he a good guy for returning your stuff like that...

UpfieldHatesWomen · 05/11/2019 15:39

He was probably hoping to see you when he dropped by without any warning too. Perhaps he was trying to find out if you had a man over.

Butterymuffin · 05/11/2019 15:51

Towel has nailed it again (love your approach). He wants you to pay attention to him. Don't. Don't return his stuff, that shows it's on your mind. If he or his wife asks about it then sure, you're happy to drop it over next time you're in their neighbourhood. But till then, you're not thinking about him or it, you're not even remembering you have the stuff. You're busy getting on with your life.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 06/11/2019 17:19

I do think him posting the item through the letterbox was quite symbolic. I dont know what I was supposed to think/how I was supposed to react but I've completely moved on from our friendship now.

I kind of hope he doesn't go back; but will no longer be bothered if he does. I'll take his stuff with me to next practice and, if he's not there, I'll just do the same as him.

I really do appreciate all the support in had on here. It really helped to clarify how I was thinking/feeling.

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