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A year of being hidden

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Sparkslilly · 13/10/2019 07:42

Hi all. Sorry for the long message but I really need some advice. I'll try and keep this long story as brief as possible.

Last year I left my husband, 4 months later I met someone who I have worked with for years but never really talked to, who I discovered was also getting a divorce. I had heard rumours about this man cheating on his wife so the first day we went out, I asked him about his affair and he admitted he had cheated on his wife because he was unhappy and looking for a way out but the consequences of his cheating were terrible. He ended up in hospital after the womans husband beat him up. I decided to not judge as I didnt know him back then and didnt know his relationship. The woman he cheated with is a parent from his childs school.

So we stood by each other, I learned that his wife was extremely violent to him, headbuting him and punching him etc even trying to get him arrested a few times, it was a lot to take in especially after just coming out of a marriage where I was cheated on, but I stood by him and we moved in together in december, though we kept our relationship quiet because of his crazy ex (who ended up stalking his new house by driving round searching for his car with his personalised number plate on the drive of every 'to let's house) 🙄 and because he wanted to divorce her he didnt want her to have any reason to keep him from seeing his kids (such as a new relationship with me)
On Valentines day, I woke up to the most romantic thing I have ever seen, he really went all out trying to spoil me but then our day was ruined when his ex caused trouble between him and the woman he slept with once last year from school (who ended up ringing him on valentines day running our day together)
Anyway, eventually I met his kids in February this year after his wife agreed to it, but that didnt stop her being nasty. Shes always saying how much she hates her kids and wishes she never had them. She stopped him seeing his kids all summer because he is happy with me and she is bitter. She uses them as pawns all the time and it's really cruel to watch
So court dates started for him as he knew his ex wouldnt go easily as he said she always believed she would go back to him.
There have been times where my boyfriend would randomly snap at me for something and I wouldnt understand why, almost like there was something bigger bothering him. It's been the strangest thing, like hes been wanting to tell me something but instead just snaps at me as a defence.
Through our year together we have had a few arguments about the lady at school he slept with messaging him every time he picks his kids up from school. It makes me uncomfortable even though he tells me theres nothing to worry about, I dont think it's right that she texts him whenever she likes and that he replies to her when he tells me he doesnt want anything to do with her 🙄 it doesnt make sense to me. Hes told me shes a slag and will go after anyone but that doesnt really make me feel better because hes with me now and he says he's happy with me so why feel the need to converse with her? Especially especially her husband hospitalised him for sleeping with her. But whenever I tell him how I feel about it, he goes mardy and tells me to let it go. Which really annoys me.

So on our one year anniversary he proposed to me, which was a complete shock but I accepted, he makes me so happy I couldnt help but say yes, even though on the days leading up to it we weren't speaking due to the woman from school and i very nearly left him because I didnt want to be continuously lied to again.
I've been divorced since April (my divorce was civil)

All through our relationship I have had to hide, I cant go into the school, I can't wait in the car when he picks his kids up, I can't post on Facebook anything (even our engagement) he never changes his pics to one of me and him, all because he wants his divorce to go through (18 months after leaving her!)
I'm tired of feeling hidden away. He wants to marry me. Why wont he shout it to the world?
2 weeks after we got engaged, the bombshell hit. His kid told us in the car something their mum had told them and my partner went pale. I knew then that this was the secret he had been keeping from me.
When he was 17 he slept with someone who got pregnant and had a baby, she told him it was his but she said she wasnt sure, when he was 18 the woman said she wanted her boyfriend to bring up the kid his own which he agreed to as he wasnt ready to be a father. It all made sense to me when he told me that. Though hearing it from his daughter wasnt ideal. He should have told me.

Last night I found out he had been texting the woman from school AGAIN after telling me he doesnt see her anymore as they line up at different sides and her other kid goes to a different school now. He also told her about the secret van we have and she said (after being told of the seat heaters)" I love a warm bum 😜"
Should I be annoyed with this? Am I overthinking everything? Hes asked me to marry him yet I still feel like hes lying to me! And I'm afraid to ask him about it because when I do, he goes mardy and always tells me to get over it! Need some advice please. Feeling really exhausted from all these emotions.

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Juststopit · 13/10/2019 07:46

What a mess. Does he really make you happy? Walk away and leave them to their drama. You are engaged to a man who is still married, who hides you and texts another woman? Hardly a relationship made in heaven. Save your sanity and leave.

Legomadx2 · 13/10/2019 07:48

Yep this is a mess and you should leave him.

Ask yourself honestly does he make me happy?

Underyoursky · 13/10/2019 07:49

I was going to start with what a mess too.

Why on earth would you want to be involved in all that nonsense? It’s hard to know what’s true and what’s not anyway. I wouldn’t trust a word he says tbh. Definitely do not even contemplate getting married.

lasttimeround · 13/10/2019 07:50

Oh drama drama drama drama drama. This entire relationship is nonsense. Get out. I think it feels intense because of all the drama. That's all. You've been sucked into a whole heap of nonsense and you're hanging in there because you think the validation of him marrying you will make it all worth it. This is an unreliable, untrustworthy man that uses the occasional big gesture to keep you entangled with him.

WalkofShame · 13/10/2019 07:53

You have a secret van? Why is everything a secret? I don’t get it.

This doesn’t sound like it’s going to end well. This man is lying to everyone and calling a woman a slag because she does what he’s been doing. Do you want to marry someone like that?

Tableclothing · 13/10/2019 07:54

Sounds like a (very bad) rebound relationship for both of you. Your bloke sounds dreadful and you sound absolutely lost. Don't marry this one, you're miserable already. Leave him, just be single for a year. It will be better than being with him.

aweedropofsancerre · 13/10/2019 07:56

You jumped into a relationship with a married man 4mths after separating. He has told you a story about his violent wife and oh let’s not forget the ‘slag’ he had an affair with. Who funnily enough he is still texting. He also had a DC before and doesn’t acknowledge. Sounds like a catch......

richteasandcheese · 13/10/2019 07:57

Your relationship sounds horrendous and it will only end in (your) tears. Cut your ties now and let him sort his own mess out

PinkFluff2 · 13/10/2019 07:57

This is absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of him. You've only been divorced since April and now you're engaged to another man who is unfaithful and calls people slags? I can't think of anything good about your relationship. It is not normal to have all this drama. It sounds like you are massively on the rebound and are willing to accept any kind of behaviour just to be with someone.

Sparkslilly · 13/10/2019 07:58

Thankyou all. I'm glad I'm not being crazy!

I'm probably blinded by his good nature. He does have a good heart and his mum (who I'm now very close to) tells me all the time about how much he adores me and loves me and wants his future with me. He surely wouldnt tell his mum those feelings for me if he doesnt mean it?
I just dont get why he continues to text this girl who he "wants nothing to do with" apparantly just to keep the peace in the school playground?

I dont have my own kids so I dont know what happens when you pick a kid up from school.

The van is secret because if his ex finds out he has bought one it can effect their finances through court.

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/10/2019 07:59

He's a lying bastard with a "crazy ex" and the women he was shagging is still in touch even though he called her a slag. He is gas gaslighting you.
He snaps when he is caught out and is training you to shut up.

Get your self esteem sorted and leave before he does anymore damage to your mental health. Find someone you can walk down the bloody street with.

Neighneigh · 13/10/2019 07:59

Leopards and spots springs to mind. Imagine if a friend of yours had written this in a text to you. Read it back again and tell us you don't think this guy is an absolute waste of space. He's doing to you what best done to how many other women.... Cut him off, let him crack on with his Emmerdale style life and you get on with yours.

lunar1 · 13/10/2019 08:01

The poor man, he's been such a victim of everything the 'crazy' people in his life have subjected him too...

Or maybe he's just an asshole and you need to walk away from the madness, otherwise you might find you are the next person to be referred to as crazy and violent.

Tableclothing · 13/10/2019 08:03

You're not blinded by his good nature, you're blinded by your own hopes and dreams.

What good nature? Based on your description and nothing else, he sounds horrible.

He's a habitual liar, a cheater, and he's horrible about his exes. You'll be next on the list.

Sparkslilly · 13/10/2019 08:06

@tableclothing

I hear what you're saying, but theres been things like hes been teaching me how to drive and he bought me a puppy and a kitten and he let me meet his children who always tell him that they adore me and I adore them. He said he only wanted to introduce them to one person as he didnt want to mess them around and now they have me hes happy that they have me.
Do you think that's a lie?

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WalkofShame · 13/10/2019 08:12

the texting is the tip of the iceberg I’m afraid. Everything about this man is drama, the secret van (to presumably ensure he doesn’t have to pay so much in child maintenance), the crazy exes, the dramatic romantic gestures.

You seem to be happy to buy into everything except the texting. Sounds like that’s what life with this man will be, so if you’re OK to be part of the drama I think you’ll have to accept all of it sadly as that’s how he lives his life.

category12 · 13/10/2019 08:13

He's dishonest through and through. He's constantly lying and manipulating.

He uses his mum to support him.

Aren't you tired of his endless shiftiness? You can't ever trust him.

You're really making a mistake with him.

FineWordsForAPorcupine · 13/10/2019 08:14

He surely wouldnt tell his mum those feelings for me if he doesnt mean it?

A) he lies to all the other women in his life - his wife, you, this woman at the school gates (bet he is nice as pie to her face, despite the vile things he says about her). Why is it so hard to believe he would lie to his mum as well?

B) he may really think he loves you. But so what? You don't have to stay with someone just because they love you.

C) if this is how he treats the person he loves (sulking, not letting her discuss things that bother her, keeping her a secret, etc) then you have to ask yourself how great is to have his love anyway?

Look, op, this relationship sounds horrendous. There are so many red flags on this guy - to name but a few :

  • he cheated on his wife
  • he talks about previous sexual partners with contempt
  • he claims his wife was violent. Its not that this is impossible, but it is also very comon for abusive men to claim that they were the victims, when in fact they were the perpetrators.
  • he claims his wife is violent and unstable, yet has left his kids in in her sole care
  • he shuts down when you try to talk about things
  • he makes grand romantic gestures to get what he wabts
  • he had asked you to marry him, even though he is still married. He is using this to make you feel committed to him, and less able to leave

And I'm sure if I read your post again, I'd see a dozen more. I think you should think very carefully about whether to stay in this relationship, OP.

Sparkslilly · 13/10/2019 08:15

He always helps out my family as well and has become close to them.

CAFCASS (for those who know) have told him he has nothing to worry about with his kids as any social services files or police files all show him as the innocent one and his ex as the guilty one.

I have never met his ex as he insists we stay away from each other. Eventhough I've offered to speak to her to try and reason with her about divorcing him and he says he doesnt want her intoxicating me as shes ruined enough of his life.

Someone tell me straight. Am I being manipulated?
Would someone really go through all this trouble? I find it hard to believe that he would do all these things and not really mean them.

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pictish · 13/10/2019 08:15

I don’t know...it’s just ‘off’ isn’t it? Doesn’t seem quite right somehow. All this drama - the crazy ex, the secret van (ffs), the big proposal, the ban on going public...a puppy and a kitten. God.

I’ve never met the guy but I think your instincts are doing you a favour...and that’s why you’re posting here.
What’s wrong with just having a grown up relationship in the normal way. There is nothing stopping you...all the ex bullshit is a red herring, she’s not allowed to stop him seeing his own children because he’s remarrying.
I don’t know why...but he loves a soap opera.
Fuck that.

category12 · 13/10/2019 08:17

Yes, people do go to these lengths.

Yes, he's manipulating you.

MrsFezziwig · 13/10/2019 08:18

Children don’t say they “adore” adults. Stop falling for all his nonsense.
He bought you a puppy and a kitten - I’d be raging if someone did that to me without asking - that is a massive commitment but he just did it as a grand gesture (and obviously as they’re “yours” he doesn’t have to take any responsibility for them).
You sound very young (not sure if you mentioned in your post as frankly I found it too exhausting to read),
In addition, if he called a woman a “slag” I’d be kicking his sorry arse down the road.

pictish · 13/10/2019 08:18

Honestly yes...I imagine he doesn’t want you talking to her lest it become clear that his rhetoric on the marriage is rather unbalanced in his favour.
What did he do wrong I wonder? He’s going to great pains to conceal something isn’t he? Chances are, it’s being an utter prick.

PinkFluff2 · 13/10/2019 08:20

Yes you are being manipulated. And if you didn't know deep down that all this is wrong you wouldn't be posting on here.

People go to extreme lengths. People are very bizarre.

MrsFezziwig · 13/10/2019 08:20

Also I think that you must be a bit of a fantasist if you think that speaking to his ex would in any way improve the situation.