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A year of being hidden

182 replies

Sparkslilly · 13/10/2019 07:42

Hi all. Sorry for the long message but I really need some advice. I'll try and keep this long story as brief as possible.

Last year I left my husband, 4 months later I met someone who I have worked with for years but never really talked to, who I discovered was also getting a divorce. I had heard rumours about this man cheating on his wife so the first day we went out, I asked him about his affair and he admitted he had cheated on his wife because he was unhappy and looking for a way out but the consequences of his cheating were terrible. He ended up in hospital after the womans husband beat him up. I decided to not judge as I didnt know him back then and didnt know his relationship. The woman he cheated with is a parent from his childs school.

So we stood by each other, I learned that his wife was extremely violent to him, headbuting him and punching him etc even trying to get him arrested a few times, it was a lot to take in especially after just coming out of a marriage where I was cheated on, but I stood by him and we moved in together in december, though we kept our relationship quiet because of his crazy ex (who ended up stalking his new house by driving round searching for his car with his personalised number plate on the drive of every 'to let's house) 🙄 and because he wanted to divorce her he didnt want her to have any reason to keep him from seeing his kids (such as a new relationship with me)
On Valentines day, I woke up to the most romantic thing I have ever seen, he really went all out trying to spoil me but then our day was ruined when his ex caused trouble between him and the woman he slept with once last year from school (who ended up ringing him on valentines day running our day together)
Anyway, eventually I met his kids in February this year after his wife agreed to it, but that didnt stop her being nasty. Shes always saying how much she hates her kids and wishes she never had them. She stopped him seeing his kids all summer because he is happy with me and she is bitter. She uses them as pawns all the time and it's really cruel to watch
So court dates started for him as he knew his ex wouldnt go easily as he said she always believed she would go back to him.
There have been times where my boyfriend would randomly snap at me for something and I wouldnt understand why, almost like there was something bigger bothering him. It's been the strangest thing, like hes been wanting to tell me something but instead just snaps at me as a defence.
Through our year together we have had a few arguments about the lady at school he slept with messaging him every time he picks his kids up from school. It makes me uncomfortable even though he tells me theres nothing to worry about, I dont think it's right that she texts him whenever she likes and that he replies to her when he tells me he doesnt want anything to do with her 🙄 it doesnt make sense to me. Hes told me shes a slag and will go after anyone but that doesnt really make me feel better because hes with me now and he says he's happy with me so why feel the need to converse with her? Especially especially her husband hospitalised him for sleeping with her. But whenever I tell him how I feel about it, he goes mardy and tells me to let it go. Which really annoys me.

So on our one year anniversary he proposed to me, which was a complete shock but I accepted, he makes me so happy I couldnt help but say yes, even though on the days leading up to it we weren't speaking due to the woman from school and i very nearly left him because I didnt want to be continuously lied to again.
I've been divorced since April (my divorce was civil)

All through our relationship I have had to hide, I cant go into the school, I can't wait in the car when he picks his kids up, I can't post on Facebook anything (even our engagement) he never changes his pics to one of me and him, all because he wants his divorce to go through (18 months after leaving her!)
I'm tired of feeling hidden away. He wants to marry me. Why wont he shout it to the world?
2 weeks after we got engaged, the bombshell hit. His kid told us in the car something their mum had told them and my partner went pale. I knew then that this was the secret he had been keeping from me.
When he was 17 he slept with someone who got pregnant and had a baby, she told him it was his but she said she wasnt sure, when he was 18 the woman said she wanted her boyfriend to bring up the kid his own which he agreed to as he wasnt ready to be a father. It all made sense to me when he told me that. Though hearing it from his daughter wasnt ideal. He should have told me.

Last night I found out he had been texting the woman from school AGAIN after telling me he doesnt see her anymore as they line up at different sides and her other kid goes to a different school now. He also told her about the secret van we have and she said (after being told of the seat heaters)" I love a warm bum 😜"
Should I be annoyed with this? Am I overthinking everything? Hes asked me to marry him yet I still feel like hes lying to me! And I'm afraid to ask him about it because when I do, he goes mardy and always tells me to get over it! Need some advice please. Feeling really exhausted from all these emotions.

OP posts:
FineWordsForAPorcupine · 13/10/2019 09:03

Look, I get that it's really easy for us to scream "leave" but that you really don't want to.

OK, so how about this - you take steps that would make it easier to leave if you decide to? Just sensible things that will protect you and give you options.

  1. don't get pregnant. What contraception are you on? Make sure it's something you control, not him - don't rely on condoms (which might "accidentally" come off, or be "forgotten") and for gods sake, don't let him talk you into pull out method.

  2. look into your finances and see how much you will need to live by yourself. Save up a buffer of a couple of months rent plus deposit.

  3. confide in real life friends you can trust.

  4. pull back as much as possible from his court proceedings and babysitting his kids. He's using the drama to hook you in, and the kids to make you feel committed.

  5. did I say contraception? Seriously. Lock that down. Don't take risks, or let him spin yarns about how much he wants a baby with you.

  6. don't make any life decisions based on things he says or promises he makes - don't drop your hours to part time to study because he says he'll pay for it, or start a business because he'll support you, or move somewhere you don't know anyone because he needs a fresh start.

  7. don't get pregnant.

Underyoursky · 13/10/2019 09:03

Did you want a kitten and a puppy?

HazelBite · 13/10/2019 09:03

I would give this all a lot of time and see what else emerges, for whatever reason he has been economical with the truth, and who knows what little "nuggets" may turn up.
His past sounds very dramatic, and he well have embellished his ex wife's "treatment" of him, who knows.
He is not what he appeared to be initially, and I would be very wary of believing anything he says 100%, he's not got a very good track record has he?
I would cool it and distance yourself from him as he's not yet divorced is he ? And do you need all this drama!
However much you feel for him I would suggest he is showing you little respect, by continuing to text the "other woman", he's keeping his options open isn't he? Why if her DH beat him up, or did he?, (sounds to me like an embellishment of the truth)
Proceed with caution and your eyes very wide open, he doesn't sound like he is a very open and honest person, can you live with that???

HidingFromDD · 13/10/2019 09:04

He's doing everything he can to 'lock you in' before you find out what he's really like. Puppy and a Kitten? Great, now try and find a rental property when you decide to leave. I'd guess that if you spoke to his ex, he did a similar thing with her, which is why he wants to keep you apart. Don't even consider having a child with this person.....

hairtoss · 13/10/2019 09:06

Good god op how many people need to talk you (in a very kind way) you are a massive idiot believing a single thing this arsehole is telling you.

I think I would prefer to go out with Trump or Boris over this loser.

Tell him Jeremy Kyle has been cancelled and you are off ..... unless you want to live in the gutter with him ..... which from your replies you do, what a waste of your youth!

gingersausage · 13/10/2019 09:06

The reason he is keeping you a secret is because he is still sleeping with “the slag” and he is terrified someone is going to tell you. I’m sorry, but from reading what you have written it’s as plain as day to me.

He bought you the puppy and kitten to trap you. He knows you won’t leave without them, and he knows it will be nigh on impossible to leave with them. He wants you to get pregnant so it’s even harder to leave.

Honestly love, wake up to what he’s doing to you. He is manipulating and mentally abusing you. You don’t deserve to be anyone’s dirty little secret. What is so wrong with you that you have to be kept hidden? Nothing. You need to get the hell out before he completely destroys you.

Love is immaterial. You loved someone before (your husband). You’ll love someone again. Love doesn’t mean “let me lie on the floor while you walk all over me”. Love is supposed to be a mutually beneficial thing for both people in a relationship.

Babybel90 · 13/10/2019 09:09

Someone tell me straight. Am I being manipulated?

Yes, you are.

Think about the most confident person you know, would they put up with this shit?

He sounds just dreadful, I’m guessing that you don’t like being alone so have convinced yourself you’re in love with him because it’s better than no one. It’s not, you should spend some time building up your self confidence before you get into a relationship with someone who deserves you, one where one partner doesn’t call the shots but you are both equal.

FWIW It would be a huge red flag for me for someone to propose so soon without marriage having been discussed first, in this day and age it really ought to be a joint decision not something where you are put on the spot.

hairyturkey · 13/10/2019 09:11

This has got red flags all over it!

gingersausage · 13/10/2019 09:12

Oh and for fuck’s sake make sure your contraception is foolproof (“no way creepzoid” is the best method). If you want to live like this, that’s your choice but don’t bring another child into it. If you have a slip up for god’s sake get the MAP.

JapaneseBirdPainting · 13/10/2019 09:12

If his ex wife eas extremely violent and CAFCASS know this, and social services and the police then it is unlikely the kids would be with her full time rather than him.

This guy is not nice. he is not sweet. he is not honest. He is manipulating you. He is training you to shut up and not question him.

AnyFucker · 13/10/2019 09:12

Bitter wife. Slag OW that he keeps messaging. He will be keeping those two on the boil with lies just like you.

It would be very illuminating if all 3 of you got in the same room, fir sure.

Never mind though, you got a kitten and a puppy out of it. Please don't add a baby to the list of pets he gives you to make you stfu about his sexual incontinence.

LunchBoxPolice · 13/10/2019 09:13

Hes told me shes a slag and will go after anyone
Niiiiice Hmm
I wouldn’t touch a man who spoke about a woman like this. You can do better.

Jellybeansincognito · 13/10/2019 09:14

Goodness me what a mess, couldn’t get through it all because I was just thinking why? Why on earth would anyone still be sat here wondering and continuing with this?

Life is too short for this shit. Move on op.

thatmustbenigelwiththebrie · 13/10/2019 09:14

Why the fuck are you getting married? You've been together five minutes, are only just divorced and you have lots of issues. It seems like a ridiculous thing to do. What's the rush?

Redwinestillfine · 13/10/2019 09:14

There are so many red flags in your post I don't know where to start.

LittleSweet · 13/10/2019 09:15

You are in love with the idea of who you think he is.

Mum4Fergus · 13/10/2019 09:17

CAFCASS (for those who know) have told him he has nothing to worry about with his kids as any social services files or police files all show him as the innocent one and his ex as the guilty one.

Guilty of what? If she is that bad why isn't he fighting tooth and nail to get his DCs full time and away from her influence?

WhoKnewBeefStew · 13/10/2019 09:18

Of course he'll cheat on you op, he's already perfectly happy to lie TO you, and you've seen his capacity for lying ABOUT you. Once the 'excitement' of your hidden love affair wears off, he'll be finding his romantic kicks elsewhere

JapaneseBirdPainting · 13/10/2019 09:21

More to the point, if the ex was so violent that the police, and CAFCASS and social servcies were all involved then it would be likely that the kids would be living with him. Are they? if not, then ask yourself if what he is telling you might - perhaps- not quite be true.

And, even if what he says is true, then as mum4Fergus points out- why is he not fighting for them to be with him?

He is a liar.

suggestionsplease1 · 13/10/2019 09:21

Don't go further into this rabbit hole - definitely do not get pregnant and do not get married. What support do you have around you OP - can you talk with family and friends? I think you need people around you right now that have got your best interests at heart.

Wilberforcethecat · 13/10/2019 09:23

Wanting you to get pregnant is another way to control you. He does not have a good heart or he'd be moving heaven and earth for ALL his children right now not thinking of starting again. He seems to see people as disposable, 'oh well I made a mistake with this one never mind I can move onto another gullible fool and start again'. Then when things get tough with you or you start asking awkward questions he'll dump you and move onto the next woman.

You have been warned. On your head be it but please don't saddle an innocent child with the burden of having this man as their father.

Hadalifeonce · 13/10/2019 09:26

The mere fact you can't have a proper conversation about things which are concerning you, without him going 'mardy', is a huge thing; it means you don't ask him anything, so effectively is shutting you up without you realising it.

SprinkleDash · 13/10/2019 09:27

Jesus @Sparkslilly, you’ve got to be smarter than this. You’re falling for every cliche bullshit line in the book.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/10/2019 09:27

Gets worse the more you post.

The pets are to keep you occupied and prevent you from leaving as you have them to look after.
Do not have a fucking baby with this dickhead.

Can I ask why you left your husband because clearly you were capable of leaving a relationship but clearly not capable of being in your own as you jumped straight at the first man to show you any affection.

Where did you live in between? Assume you had your own place etc?

He's using you to hide his assets ffs.

MrsBobDylan · 13/10/2019 09:27

A classic abuser uses 'fast love' to get their next victim in place. You have a home together, two pets, an engagement, and he wants a baby with you, all within a year.

No one with any degree of moral fibre would buy someone a puppy and a kitten as presents ffs.

You are beyond gullible if you believe his bullshit.