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Help me understand this - proposal

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CoffeeThroughAnIvDrip · 07/10/2019 14:10

DP and I have been together many years and have 3 young DC’s together.
When we first started dating, we had a light hearted chat about weddings, and way back then, I was still romanticising the idea of the ‘big white wedding’. I used to dream of a designer dress and matching shoes, a huge array of guests, just a massive deal made out of it all. DP was never of the same view, and stated he didn’t see the point in wasting so much money on one day, and thought people should just cheaply elope or have a registry office do instead.

As the years past (and DC’s added to our family) I ‘woke up’ and realised that I no longer wanted that big wedding, that marriage itself was way more important to me than the wedding day (as it should be!), and I ended up telling DP about how my views had changed and had become much more, simple, for lack of a better word.

Another year or so went by, with each of us talking about engagements and weddings and marriage (not always prompted by me!), and we still wasn’t engaged and no closer to being so.
One evening, after yet another talk about getting engaged, I was browsing rings online. Found one I fell in love with, and we ordered it.

It then came to light that DP’s views on weddings had changed since we first met. He’s now no longer comfortable with the idea of a registry office wedding or eloping, and instead wants something small with just close friends and family at a little venue close to our home. He wants our DC’s included in the ceremony, a car to arrive in etc - so quite the backtrack on what I’d been told years ago!

Anyway, the ring has now been sitting in our bedroom for four months. I’ve told DP I don’t want a huge deal made out of the proposal, I don’t want the thrills or the surprise (not that I’m going to be surprised in any way, shape or form since we already have the ring!), I don’t want elaborate planning having gone in to it, I just want us to be able to sit down and say ‘yes, we’re committed to each other, we’re now engaged and we’re going to knuckle down and start saving for a small wedding’. Done. That’s all I want and need. But dp has been insistent on doing something ‘proper’ for the proposal - apparently he WANTS to propose and experience the moment of doing it, and not just decide we’re engaged after a conversation.

So, we agreed no money would be put in to the proposal, because I think something lovely and romantic can be done at home, if the romance and that ‘moment’ is what he really wants to experience, he can definitely create that in our lounge (cheap flowers, a nice home cooked dinner, my favourite music playing, ask me to marry him, boom, sorted).
4 months I’ve been waiting (well, 4 months of having the ring, but I’ve actually been waiting years by this point), wondering what he could possibly be planning that couldn’t have happened since the ring arrived in June.

Well, it was my birthday last week. DP got me some amazing gifts which I’m so thankful for, got me a lovely card from the DC’s, but I didn’t receive a card from him. He knows I love to get a card from him, but is notorious for writing them out then misplacing them (he literally has a stack of birthday, Christmas and valentines cards that he never gets round to giving me because he always forgets where they end up 🙄 he also has stacks for his mum and his sister too!) but this morning, whilst sorting through our washing and putting some bits away, I came across an envelope in his sock drawer that appeared to have a birthday card inside, addressed to me. Given his history with cards, I assumed this was yet another card he’d forgotten about, so I opened it.

The card on the front read ‘to my fiancé on your birthday’, inside he’d written a birthday message then at the bottom wrote ‘now it’s official’.

I’m so confused and frankly, quite upset. We’ve had so many talks about engagement and marriage, especially over the last year, he knows I don’t want a fuss made and am more than happy to have a ‘no huge expenditure, no thrills’ proposal and an equally cheap wedding day, so to learn he was going to propose last week at home, likely after we’d got the DC’s to bed (perfect! No fuss!) is like a slap round the face to discover that for some reason, he’s chosen not to do it.

I don’t know what to think or feel.

(Please don’t comment about how precarious my situation is having dc before marriage. I am aware of the ramifications should we ever break up - so I’m not looking to be hounded at from that perspective.)

Just looking to see if anyone can unpick this trail of events and maybe help give me an insight in to what he’s thinking. I do plan on speaking to him at some point about what I’ve found, but wanted to offload on here first!

Thanks!

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Witchinaditch · 08/10/2019 12:34

18months is how long it takes to plan a wedding ussually as venues get booked in advance, but really depends on what type of wedding you want of course you could have a quick wedding next week if you wanted.. I don’t think 2 years is unreasonable to save ect

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Sron · 08/10/2019 12:43

I have to conclude you're right, @Sagradafamiliar -- though I wouldn't honestly call some of the people whose weddings I've attended 'progressive' in most ways!

@Dollywilde, I'm 47, and have been attending what seems like hundreds of weddings since the mid-90s -- maybe a generational difference?

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Witchinaditch · 08/10/2019 12:58

@sron I’ve never been to a wedding that wasn’t traditional and I’ve been to many many weddings all mainly in and around the ages of 30s, I understand that’s just because my circle are traditional it doesn’t mean everyone is. You can’t make sweeping statements about tradition dying out just because it’s like that in your circle, my experiences seem to be the polar opposite to yours.

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TheOliphantintheRoom · 08/10/2019 13:21

What a depressing thread!

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ChristmasFluff · 08/10/2019 14:57

OP, I'd prepare yourself, because I think after speaking to your Dad, and assuming he gains permission, you might find that he suddenly decides that a massive wedding in Westminster Abbey is what he really wants - with the need to save up for many years to afford it.

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Derbee · 08/10/2019 16:09

Filing this under “weddings that will never happen”

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CoffeeThroughAnIvDrip · 08/10/2019 16:16

@Derbee aren't you just the spreader of joy! Who shit in your cornflakes this morning 🤦🏻‍♀️

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whatmind · 08/10/2019 17:27

Hi OP you've had a tough time on this thread being called a "micro manager" etc.

I understand entirely where you are coming from here as you have described exactly the situation me and my now DH were in a few years ago, only with the addition that you guys have children whereas we do not.

I never have had any doubt or reason to doubt my husbands love for me. I know he adores me and I know that he did want to marry me very much but he was as wishy washy as your DP is being now.

Years of talking about it, a few goalpost changes on his part, some slightly daft and outmoded ways of thought like asking my mum for my hand (dad long passed) and not wanting to pop the question till he felt able to financially support a wife and future family.

Our wedding was a small-ish affair in the same ball park budget as yours is planned to be. It was an amazing day in so very many ways and everyone had a blast.

I was very much like you sound - in love and pretty laid back about the whole thing, and that the only important part is that we love each other, are on the same page and are going to get married.

CoffeeThroughAnlvDrip We have been married nearly 2 years and are now separated.

I still believe my husband loves me and wanted to marry me but there was a part of him that didn't want to marry me and he wasn't able to acknowledge or deal with that part of him.

I actually tried to postpone or cancel the wedding twice due to his hot and cold behaviours but he convinced me that it was his dream to marry me and that he was going to be 100% in it with me from here out - what I like to call the "life got in the way" excuse as there was always something that was causing unrelated pressure in his life that was the "cause" of his reluctance.

Look up passive aggressive and an article called the Boomerang Relationship and see if it has any bearing on you and your partner. It certainly describes to a T the dynamic as it stood between my husband and I before the separation.

It may not be relevant in your situation so I would urge you to understand all I am saying here is that there is a reason for him having not got on with it already the above was the reason mine didn't. It doesn't matter when it comes to the crunch why, more so that it is happening, you are not imagining it and he is not being honest with you for whatever reason.

I wish you all the luck in the world but sadly find myself unable to say congratulations purely because I truly believe that you deserve (as I did), someone who not only says the right things, but acts on them in good quick time and without prompting.

I fear you will be me.

I still love my husband and would love nothing more than for our situation to be resolved and our lives to continue together - because despite all the bad that has built up over the years we had a lot of good to build a foundation on.

I am really not optimistic on either of our respective relationship chances though because the men in both our lives are unable to decide what they really want and act on it.

You have to take control for yourself I did that by leaving and I really think I made the best choice for me - I already feel like a new woman just for getting out from under the confusion/anger/hurt/worry/etc atmosphere that had built up.

If he wants to marry you he can do it at any time as soon as you get your licence.

If he is waiting for any reasons due to preference or tradition, in reality, he is only putting up another obstacle to keep the wedding day as "soon". Get the wedding official and have a big ass party when you've saved up the cash FGS

He should also understand that he is leaving you in a vulnerable position without being married and he should want to do something about that. The fact that it either hasn't occurred to him or galvanised him to action speaks volumes.

I'm quite angry and sad on your behalf!
He is treating you with so little care. He may love you but he is not treating you well at all.

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babyrefusesfood · 08/10/2019 19:22

Please update this thread if you do marry

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TheOliphantintheRoom · 08/10/2019 20:48

OP - you were daft to have 3 (three!) DC and become financially dependent upon a man who wouldn't marry you.
You are being daft to let him dictate what kind of wedding you'll have, when and how he proposes and letting him ask your dad for his permission before he'll let you announce your engagement.
And you're being daft to wait two years before entering into a contractual arrangement (marriage) that will give you the financial and legal protection you need NOW.
I wish you well.

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user1474894224 · 08/10/2019 21:06

@CoffeeThroughAnIvDrip Congratulations. Have a wonderful wedding. (I had baby 1. Got engaged when PG with baby 2 - similar to you we had a ring and he was waiting for the right time. He also asked my dad. Then we had baby 3. Finally 7 years after that we had our wedding. The wedding was easy to organise actually so we planned it at Xmas and were married in May. I was/am also a Sahp. Ignore the gloom of MN).

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Derbee · 09/10/2019 16:57

@CoffeeThroughAnIvDrip I’ve seen this happen enough times to know. Theses marriages generally don’t happen, or don’t last. You might be different of course, but it’s seemed pretty easy to buy himself another 2 years?!

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Secondsight · 09/10/2019 23:26

I can't understand a man being that into the proposal and all this romantic stuff or is that just stereotypical. He should however consider what you may like. Im just old fashioned and got a marriage proposal and date before moving in with my DP.
I thought if I'm good enough to have children with I'm good enough to marry. That way there's no grovelling to get married.

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JavaQ · 10/10/2019 10:39

LOL! Sounds like you got the low-key proposal!
Or perhaps...try NOT talking about it for a while, so he can "surprise" you with the ring/proposal?

Hang on to the love. I am thrilled that you both have that for each other. Smile

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BendyLikeBeckham · 10/10/2019 11:42

I'm with @Derbee. He is still stalling. One of those who can't commit in case something better comes along.

Sorry OP. I can see you are happy and I'm not trying to piss on that, I just think you can't see what we can.

More obstacles will crop up in the next 2 years that will prevent the wedding happening. Mark my words. I hope I'm wrong but I'm doubt I am.

Please ensure you aren't financially vulnerable over the next 2 years. Go back to work. Don't have any more DC. You have a future to plan and it probably isn't with him.

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CrystalShark · 10/10/2019 12:01

It actually seems to me like OP is stalling just as much as her boyfriend, she doesn’t seem fussed about hurrying to get married and is happy to be engaged for a long time and slowly plan the wedding. If that’s what they both want then great!

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Housebuying · 10/10/2019 12:08

The OP doesn’t seem to know what she wants, she wants whenever her DP wants. I’m another thinking that I don’t see that your future will be with him

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BendyLikeBeckham · 10/10/2019 12:28

@CrystalShark The OP is only stalling to the point that it is easier to kick the can down the road, when the can most likely is the realisation that the wedding will never happen. Less painful in the sort term to delude yourself and postpone the awful realisation and pain. With hindsight of course, she will regret it, the pain will be worse and the years wasted.

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BendyLikeBeckham · 10/10/2019 12:28

short term*

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CoffeeThroughAnIvDrip · 10/10/2019 16:28

Ok this will literally be the last time I post.

Would I be ok with a registry office wedding? Yes.

But would I still like the chance to wear a wedding dress and celebrate properly and have a nice day? OF COURSE. I've dreamed of having a proper wedding day since I was a kid, me agreeing with DP to make an actual day out of our wedding isn't me 'stalling' or being confused about what I want.

2 years isn't a long time to wait for a wedding. It will take at least 18 months to save up for, which again, despite MN seeming to think you can have the money for a wedding in the blink of an eye Hmm, isn't a long time. We could get married sooner than that, but it'd mean no family days out, no treats, no extra cash laying around for those 'just in case' moments.

I appreciate some our your honest posts, but for real, can you all just let me be happy and stop trying to put a downer on things.

We'll be announcing our engagement on Saturday then planning is commencing. I know MN loves drama and tends to thrive when things go wrong, but can we all just be a bit nicer and more supportive.

There's looking out for other women, then there's commenting on the future of a relationship you know nothing about other than few comments I've made. DP and I love each other. We love our children, we love our life, we respect each other's families and are in a good place.

So, for the final time, peace out and thanks for the responses!

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Beamur · 10/10/2019 17:20

Congratulations!

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BendyLikeBeckham · 10/10/2019 17:31

Sometimes support doesn't come in the form you expect or in words you want to hear, OP. I am genuinely trying to warn you from a more objective perspective.

As I said, I hope I'm wrong. I truly wish you all the best and hope it all turns out well for you.

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TheOliphantintheRoom · 10/10/2019 17:47

but can we all just be a bit nicer and more supportive

Telling a SAHM of 3 young kids that she needs to get married NOW is supportive. Wait two years for your dream wedding and party by all means but you'd be wise to pay a visit to the registry office for a low key ceremony asap.

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Dyrne · 10/10/2019 18:03

Right; so calling the OP “daft” and “deluded” is lovely and supportive now? You absolute saints...

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TheOliphantintheRoom · 10/10/2019 18:23

Dyrne - you can be part of the "aw hun well done u 4 getting engaged" brigade, I'll dole out the wise advice.

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