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WWYD DH touching me when I'm asleep

176 replies

cpjoli · 09/08/2019 16:31

This morning I woke up to my DH touching me intimately. It's not the first time. I just laid there until he rolled over. No sex happened. I got up as I couldn't settle. I have a history of being abused and being attacked which he knows about.
I'm really upset by it.
WWYD?

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 09/08/2019 16:43

Honestly you're still being abused, he's sexually assaulting you. I'm so sorry
Can you leave him?

LillyBugg · 09/08/2019 16:45

Leave. He's abusing you.

Lilyrose90 · 09/08/2019 16:45

The fact this is not the first time is a horrible thing.
The fact that despite your history, your husband does that is absolutely disgusting.
Leave.

PositiveVibez · 09/08/2019 17:00

Leave him.

Mamma2017 · 09/08/2019 21:13

How disgusting . He’s totally sexually abusing you. Leave. Can you talk to someone you trust about this. And/Or professional support. Flowers look after yourself

Windmillwhirl · 09/08/2019 21:17

What a creep. This man puts his needs above everything. The fact he knows your history makes it even worse. Sorry this happened to you.

cpjoli · 09/08/2019 21:39

Thanks. He's currently trying to convince me he was asleep. I know he wasn't. I'm so scared about the future.

OP posts:
DBML · 09/08/2019 23:02

Hi Op

I understand your DH knows about your past abuse, but have you explicitly told him that what he’s doing makes you uncomfortable? He may not make the connection. He may think as you’re married and I assume sexually involved, you’ve consented to intimacy with him.

You see, my husband touches me during sleep. Sometimes I sense he’s awake and horny, sometimes he’s still snoring. Either way, I like it. I like the intimacy and I often will allow it to lead to more. Sometimes I fondle him during the night, I don’t ask for his permission first, and I’d never have seen myself as ‘abusing him’.

So, firstly if you haven’t already, I’d explain that it makes you uncomfortable due to your history. See whether this makes a difference.

If he really is doing it whilst asleep, if you love him and he’s decent in all other ways, could you consider separate beds?

If he ignores you and does it regardless, then yes, I agree you have a respect problem.

It really does depend on whether he knows it upsets you and whether he then stops.

I wouldn’t just label it abuse. It’s how some couples roll.

Happyspud · 09/08/2019 23:05

What DBML said.

humblebumblebees · 10/08/2019 00:22

I agree with DBML too.

Ginderella11 · 10/08/2019 00:32

I posted a similar thread a few weeks ago, questionning my judgement. MNers made me realise I was right and he was wrong

pinkoneblueone · 10/08/2019 00:35

I'm with DBML on this too, every word of it.

Ginderella11 · 10/08/2019 00:36

And for anyone saying it is because you have done it before, this doesn’t give them the consent to do it whenever they please. Look up the cup of tea analogy

Everafter1 · 10/08/2019 01:41

Regardless of whether you're married or not, he shouldn't be sexually touching you while you're asleep.

You're waking up to this, therefore not able to respond until you're awake.

Not everyone wants to have sex every time their partner wants to when they're awake and compos mentis.

You're clearly not comfortable with him doing it, he's using the excuse he was also asleep so he's well aware he shouldn't have. What's wrong with waiting until you're awake? There's plenty wrong with him doing it when you're semi-unresponsive.

Let him know he's crossed your boundary & you don't want him doing that again.

DBML · 10/08/2019 05:43

@Everafter1

A bit tmi but...

Last night I spooned my DH and touched him intimately as he lightly snored. I touched him until I got a response and he began to wake up. Then we had sex.

Did I sexually abuse my husband last night? Am I now automatically an abuser?

MarieG10 · 10/08/2019 08:15

I'm with @DBML as well. In addition I have also done (as he has) what @Everafter1 described. It's usually a real treat but that is something you should explain to him and why

Everafter1 · 10/08/2019 09:01

@DBML no one is accusing you of abusing your husband! I certainly never mentioned abuse in my post. You're both okay with it, it's not crossing your boundaries.

The point here is OP is NOT comfortable with this kind of thing. As well as being the victim of abuse previously, OP situation is not the same as yours.

DH didn't admit to doing this either, he pretended to do it while he was asleep & also not in control. This would indicate he's aware he's done wrong by OP & also that he's well aware that when someone's sleeping they're not in control.

It doesn't matter if OP is married or not, everyone has their own boundaries. OP those are your boundaries and they should be respected! You should feel comfortable with him.

Shoxfordian · 10/08/2019 09:24

Its completely irrelevant if your husband likes to be touched when he's asleep. Good for you. Not actually about you though, the op says she's been abused before and it clearly makes her uncomfortable.

Op please ignore all the rape and sexual abuse apologists you'll inevitably get on threads like this

DBML · 10/08/2019 12:34

@Everafter1

Or perhaps he feels embarrassed rather than guilty? I mean, if my husband got up one morning and more or less accused me of abuse, I’d feel horrified and humiliated. I’d probably say I was sleeping too.
Maybe he is just a jerk, but the guy has been accused of sexual abuse and OP has been advised to treat it as such, based on what?
Ridiculous.

DBML · 10/08/2019 12:36

@Shoxfordian

Wow. I’m stunned. Talk about guilty until proven innocent. You’re actually making me feel bad for the husband.

slipperywhensparticus · 10/08/2019 12:39

Is he claiming sexsomnia? Because a chap got away with raping his daughter on that excuse its apparently incredibly rare....unless your a rapist looking for a pass

Not that he is a rapist but he should keep his hands to himself unless your awake end of

Everafter1 · 10/08/2019 12:50

@DBML

You would because it's the norm for you! You both consent to this.

I don't think you're grasping that OP is not comfortable. As someone else pointed out, this isn't about you. It doesn't matter what is normal for you, me or anyone else. What matters is what OP is comfortable with in the relationship. You seem to undermine that.

Yes they are saying that based on the fact that OPs not consenting!

DBML · 10/08/2019 13:09

@Everafter1

Have you read my posts?

That’s my point and why I used myself as an example. I ‘assumed’ beginning a sexual relationship with my partner, consent was being given for me to touch him and vice versa. If one of us don’t feel like it, we can just say ‘not tonight hun’.

I was not making the thread about me 🙄 merely suggesting that perhaps OP’s husband also felt consent was given in their relationship and was feeling up how wife in bed, trying to wake her, turn her on and get some nookie. Perhaps that’s what he’s experienced in previous relationships and maybe he didn’t connect his actions to her previous abuse, as I assume she’s previous had sex with him and consented.

Nowhere does OP say her husband KNOWS his actions make her uncomfortable, or that she’s had that discussion.

So my posts are really suggesting that this is not just ‘abuse’ and people calling it abuse and telling her to leave are being hysterical and over the top.

It surely depends on how aware he is that what he’s doing is unwelcome doesn’t it?

Everafter1 · 10/08/2019 13:13

Yes I have but you seem to be aiming these abuse allegations in my direction, I've been careful not to accuse. My suggestion was OP speak to DH about boundaries, so did you read mine?

Just to add no one should ever have to endure being touched in a sexual manner when they don't want to.

OP does not want to, that is clear. OP has been put in the position of having this instigated whilst being unable to prevent it starting in the first place, been given no opportunity to say no.

cocomelon23 · 10/08/2019 13:17

I agree with @DBML too. My dp and I also do this but we both like it. Op you need to speak to your dh and tell him exactly how it makes you feel. He may not realise.

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