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Please stop me texting him again

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PlipPlop7clocks · 01/08/2019 21:13

So I have a bit of an on/off, does he/doesn’t he relationship with a close male friend. I texted him on Tuesday night suggesting we catch up the following day but he never replied. It was a light, breezy, fun message. There is no reason why he shouldn’t have replied.

I’m making all kinds of excuses for him. Maybe he never saw the message. Maybe it never arrived. Maybe he’s upset with me for some reason. Maybe he doesn’t feel the way I thought he felt about me. Maybe he’s trying to tell me to go away without actually saying it.

I’m normally the kind of person that would follow up with another text a few days later but I’m pretty sure this guy knows exactly how I feel about him. He likes having me as an admirer. He likes the ego boost. He likes never having to initiate contact because I always give in and text him first.

So my plan is not to send another message. To just wait.

Please help me stay strong.

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GilbertMarkham · 18/08/2019 16:47

*not one of these people

GilbertMarkham · 18/08/2019 16:48

*he'll

GilbertMarkham · 18/08/2019 16:51

Also something that's struck me is that another person who knows him has told you their opinion if him and his character; which is poor.

They see him without the rose tinted glasses and the crush/attraction/emotions.

Listen to them. You mentioned it but then it didn't seem to get mentioned again and you went back to focusing on him not getting in touch, your feelings etc.

Someone (who sounds reasonable) thinks he an asshole, thinks he's horrible. He's not all that, in fact he's worse than not all that. Take a trip outside the crush and the rejection to realise that.

GilbertMarkham · 18/08/2019 16:57

Another thing that jumped out at me (that fits with the other guy's opinion if him) is that he appears to do this regularly/have fine this before (by his own admission) .. it's standard open procedure for him ... Who knows why (attention, ego, validation, underlying insecurity, narcissism, benefits etc.) .. he clearly experiences a compulsion to charm and connect that makes people engage emotionally/romantically with him; but he does if to people he'd not really interested in romantically. You're not the first and you won't be the last. It's just s character. It's confusing and ultimately upsetting for the person he does it to; but it's up to them how much time they let him waste.

And it's up to you how much of your time you let him waste; 2 years is more than enough, is it not.

GilbertMarkham · 18/08/2019 16:59

*standard operating procedure

31RueCambon · 18/08/2019 17:28

classic avoidant stuff. Intense to begin with, feels like dating, but then without it ever being said, you're relegated. This is what happened to me. "My" one's name didn't begin with A either but sure there are hundreds of these guys in ever city, with names beginning with, a,b,c,d,e ...

@PlipPlop7clocks I bet you're right that some of the women who aggressively pursued him Hmm were given the impression that he considered them his girlfriend only for him to change the goal posts after they had (reasonably) made that assumption.

You're beginning to sift through the facts you always had now without the romantic lens. This is good. You might feel extremely angry. I had memories that I refiltered and they made me angry.

The man who did this to me four years ago, he actually told me about a woman on line who he'd been chatting to. He was angry with her because after a day of chatting, she realised his profile said that he wasn't interested in a relationship, so she very swiftly, politely signed off on their chat. He screenshotted her response to me, so certain was he that she was ''sad''. Ie, that she would not continue to communicate with him because what he was offering wasn't what she wanted. He was literally angry with her that she had a boundary and rejected him! Oh the irony. That was one of several smell the coffee moments I had. Embarrassed to say that it took about three of these wake up and smell the coffee moments for me to finally stamp out this dynamic. He had such a massive blindspot that he couldn't see that although nobody ever got more out of him than he was willing to give, he had the temerity to stand in judgement of a woman who respected her own right to hold out for what she wanted.

I looked at this screenshot and my heart skipped a beat. I thought ''this woman has boundaries, she'll get what she wants''. So that woman did me a real favour. I am grateful to her.

I tried to point this out to 'my' friend as succinctly as I could and he disagreed. He was indignant. She hadn't read what it said on his tin (ie, not looking for a relationship). I pointed out that he hadn't read her 'tin' (looking for a relationship).

The whole thing was so clear when I was able to witness the way he treated OTHER women.

He had claimed to have read the female eunach but he only took the bits that supported his agenda to use women, emotionally, sexually, whatever, but never ever be accountable, responsible for their emotions or owing them fidelity.

GilbertMarkham · 18/08/2019 17:40

The other thing is; say you were to get I to a relationship with him .. how likely is he to miraculously change his ingrained behaviour? You'd be trying to have a relationship with someone who collects "admirers" (confused people who think he's interested in them romantically or has a special connection with them) because his behaviour and boundaries are off .. it would be shit.

mummmy2017 · 18/08/2019 17:48

Don't you dare ever get into a relationship with this plonker..
He isn't worth the breath you exhale.
Men like this like the chase, not the capture. Not a real life romance with a red blooded woman.
If he ever calls, just ask him why he is calling, and wait... See what he says, listen and think... Should he ever dare say he misses you, you have my permission to tell him that since it has been over a month since you last spoke you don't think he means it and to shove off.

cheeseismyspiritanimal · 18/08/2019 20:18

I really feel for you OP. They do say that the best revenge is a life lived well. Put all your energy into making yourself feel great and boosting your own confidence. That way if/when he makes contact again you feel strong and happy enough to ignore.

PlipPlop7clocks · 18/08/2019 21:30

I have been reading a bit about attachment styles and I think we had an anxious - avoidant relationship/friendship. I need to read more about it but I think I see a pattern forming because I have tended to go for the avoidant type since I was about 21. A new thread perhaps!

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31RueCambon · 18/08/2019 21:55

Oh definitely!

Did you check out Brianna McWilliams on youtube?
She talks so much sense.
My past relationships and lackthereof all made sense.

31RueCambon · 18/08/2019 21:58

Just checked, Brianna McWilliams

31RueCambon · 18/08/2019 22:11

Check out her series of clips 1-5 "why like seeks like; how to avoid the anxious avoidant trap"
And also "how to develop a more secure attachment style even while you're single"

PlipPlop7clocks · 18/08/2019 22:40

I will definitely take a look. Thank you.

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PlipPlop7clocks · 18/08/2019 23:00

My new thread on Attachment

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3669117-Anxious-Avoidant-attachment-style-etc?watched=1

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PlipPlop7clocks · 20/08/2019 01:53

I’m really desperate to message him. Not now of course. In the day time. I can’t believe I won’t get to see his beautiful face again. I want to hear his voice. I keep thinking about his body too. Sorry TMI 😳

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LemonPrism · 20/08/2019 02:56

If it's been 5 years and you're not together then he's holding out for a better match. Otherwise you'd be together.

Jesus I'm 10 years younger than you and even I can see it

PlipPlop7clocks · 20/08/2019 07:12

It hasn’t been 5 years. It’s been about 2 years. I can totally see it but I just miss him. I want to stay strong.

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ChippyPickledEggs · 20/08/2019 09:14

PlipPlop you can't make him feel what you want him to feel. Chasing after avoidant people makes them recoil. If you message him, you won't get what you want and will end up with nothing other than more disappointment, shame, and anger at yourself to deal with. At some point you just have to stop.

Kwackerly · 20/08/2019 09:25

Just imagine him gloating, looking at your message and saying to himself 'i knew she would come running'. Don't do it.

mummmy2017 · 20/08/2019 12:56

But he was never yours.
You have to stop thinking you were in a relationship, you never were .
Right now you would be classed as stalking him, wouldn't he love to call you that and laugh at you with his mates.
He could even call the police and report you, guess who the police would believe...
No I do not think you are, he lead you on. You were his ego massage trip....please try to see .

PlipPlop7clocks · 20/08/2019 13:06

How am I stalking him? We are friends and he didn’t reply to my last message and I haven’t contacted him since.

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PlipPlop7clocks · 20/08/2019 13:07

I know that we never had a relationship. We were never more than just friends.

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mummmy2017 · 20/08/2019 13:28

Plipplop.
I am not trying to be nasty to you, I hope you can see that in my past posts.
But if a man was voicing these thoughts about a woman even you would be worried.
He never contacts you, he knows you care a lot about him, so let's you chase him, so yes he called say your his private stalker to his friends and laugh about you.
Your friend told you he does this....

fandabbyfannyflutters · 20/08/2019 14:26

Messaging him will make you feel worse. Listen to me. I've found this out the hard way

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