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How hard should I try to contact a grown up child who has gone NC ?

258 replies

LeebieAnn · 27/05/2019 17:59

My youngest daughter ( aged 30) hand she whilst not completely NC has as gone full NC. Blocked me on all forms of communication. Not sure about email but got no response to one that I sent) so snail mail is now my only hope. Worst of all she dragged her sister(32) into the
" argument" and she has changed from phoning me virtually every day for a chat to arguing and refusing to let her DD ( 8) to come visit as previously planned. I live approx two hours away from either.
I reached out to the younger one by email but got no response. Phone calls and texts go unanswered.
This all started a month ago and I cried and was really upset virtually every day and it interfered with my normal activities. Now I am finding that my heart is hardening into anger.
Shall I just accept it ?
From reading previous posts over the months, it would appear that Mumsnet appears to advise that a position of NC with a parent is a correct and righteous step to take with an elderly parent that has annoyed you.

OP posts:
Pudding51 · 27/05/2019 19:02

Bad behaviour is unacceptable in all age brackets.

opheliasknickers · 27/05/2019 19:03

if you want poor little grannie, please go to gransnet. there must be a reason for all this?

LittleRedMushroom · 27/05/2019 19:03

The fact you put the word "argument" in inverted commas indicates you know what is happening but are dismissing your DD's reasons and feelings.

another20 · 27/05/2019 19:05

Now I am finding that my heart is hardening into anger.
Shall I just accept it ?

Why are you angry?

opheliasknickers · 27/05/2019 19:05

i see OP you mention talking to dd everyday? was this because you expected this/ behaviour that made dd feel she should??? i see some parents expect their adult kids to maintain this ? even when the kids just want to be less stifled/ feel less attactched to the old apron strings?

DeRigueurMortis · 27/05/2019 19:06

So from your post it sounds there have been issues between you and your youngest DD for some time (hence her being "nearly" NC).

Then there's been an argument that has resulted in her going fully NC.

Your elder DD's reaction to this is to go low contact - for which you are blaming your younger DD.

I've obviously no idea what the issue is but I can definitely spot a pattern here.

Your relationship with your younger DD was obviously precarious yet you've done "something" wrt this "argument" that's made her cut ties and it seems your other DD understands why and has followed suit in withdrawing from you.

To be fair there might a scenario in which you are blameless in all this, though on the balance of probability I'm guessing that's unlikely.

So advice.....back off for everyone's sakes and consider doing some serious self reflection and evaluation. Maybe even some therapy.

Whatever your current M.O. is right now it's alienating you from your children. So stop doing it and don't attempt to contact them until you've found a way to interact in such a way that doesn't exacerbate the situation further.

IvanaPee · 27/05/2019 19:06

Being elderly is irrelevant. Old age isn't a pass for bad behaviour.

It’s actually pissing me off that OP said this. I hate that some older people think it should be a free pass to say/do whatever takes their fancy, yet any time someone’s age is brought up there are cries of ageism. Rightly so. But still!

@springydaffs are you the poster whose children and extended family went no contact with her? If so, you might be the biased one...

LeebieAnn · 27/05/2019 19:08

@FiveAcorns . I have tried to respect her wishes and have not tried to follow up on the email that went unanswered. I just would like to know if she wants a period on her own or if she wishes this to be a forever thing. The nice side of me does not want her to beat herself up if something were to happen to me and it will be too late to talk it out. The angry side of me wants to forbid her to my funeral ( if I'm not worth it in life etc. . .) and also to cut her from my will ! Nasty I know and goes against my nature.That said , even though they are grown , as adults they must already know that actions have consequences. She also knows how much this is hurting me and I thought I showed her better than that .
It is difficult to judge without a back story I know so I will try and elaborate shortly.

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DramaRamaLlama · 27/05/2019 19:08

It depends why she's no contact and why you want to get in touch.

Context is everything here.

LeebieAnn · 27/05/2019 19:13

@DeRigueurMortis You are a very inciteful person. Just about sums it up and none of this has happened in a vacuum. I have done some very serious self reflection ( I have decided that I am right of course ! )But my little brain keeps running in circles and thinks that unless we can talk this out that it will just go on forever . That is the part that sends me mental.

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opheliasknickers · 27/05/2019 19:15

so tell us what the arguments have been about? what exactly in dd`s words (or near as) have they said thats upset you/ argued about? and what have you said back?

magicBrenda · 27/05/2019 19:19

What have you done to her?

LeebieAnn · 27/05/2019 19:19

@IvanaPee I only mention the elderly in that it is true that I am less resilient than I was when younger. I have had two health scares in the past 2 years , the latter of which ended up with my being in critical condition and having an emergency op. and I have had a slow recovery. It makes one fully aware of one's own mortality and I treasure the time that I have.
I will have to explain the incident which, as you quite rightly say , has nothing to do with age however, it does have a lot to do with consideration for others. Mum or not

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mamaofboyzz · 27/05/2019 19:20

I hope you can work things out all sounds very sad

NerrSnerr · 27/05/2019 19:21

There ie no way to advise without knowing what the arguments are about.

OKBobble · 27/05/2019 19:22

As you say actions have consequences.

As a result of something you have done your DD has decided that NC is best for her and her family. Unless you care to elaborate on what the argument was about, what you did to annoy her then none of us can say whether she is being reasonable or petty.

However, from your little dramatics about if something were to happen to you, and cutting her out of the will I can hazard a guess as to which one of you is being reasonable.

Ninkaninus · 27/05/2019 19:25

Well I disagree that there’s no way to advise.

If a person does not want to be contacted by me, does not want to engage in verbal, written or other communication with me, and has made it clear that they would like to be left alone by me, then I ought to respect that boundary that they have drawn.

Repeated contact by someone where it is not wanted is harassment.

OP I’m not saying that it’s an automatic given that you are/were in the wrong. But the fact is, your daughter has decided that at this point it is better for her that she not be in contact with you. You don’t have an entitlement to disregard that.

magicBrenda · 27/05/2019 19:25

I have done some very serious self reflection ( I have decided that I am right of course ! )

Well two of your adult children think your wrong. The fact that they are with drawing from you proves this.

But my little brain keeps running in circles and thinks that unless we can talk this out that it will just go on forever . That is the part that sends me mental

It’s driving you mental because you can’t control the situation.

FiveAcorns · 27/05/2019 19:26

The nice side of me does not want her to beat herself up if something were to happen to me

This isn’t a nice side. This is a manipulative side. This isn’t about what’s right for her or her needs. This is a guilt trip. If this is how you act, this is probably why she’s gone NC. She’s not “annoyed”. Over time, this kind of thing is abusive.

IvanaPee · 27/05/2019 19:27

I think it’s very telling that both of your dd’s are No or Low Contact.

But you’re assuming that younger dd is wielding enough power over the older one that she can convince her to cut contact with you and block you from your grandchild...

milksoffagain · 27/05/2019 19:27

I think it must be heartbreaking for you and horrible for her too. If she's going to come back she will in her own time and won't appreciate your contacting her in any way. If you really can't help yourself then try to see it from her point of view and apologise (if you really mean it) and surely you must as whatever has happened has caused her a lot of hurt. Good luck to both of you hope it works out x

DirtyThree · 27/05/2019 19:28

Op I’m LC with my mother. Mainly because she was finally called out on her behaviour, didn’t like it, can’t accept it and now can play the victim.

In a practical sense, our low level of contact works well for me. In an emotional sense it’s hard. I’m slowly learning, with the help of a therapist, that I matter, that I don’t need her approval, that I can live my own life and not put her feelings first. I feel guilty that we’re not in touch very often but it got to a point where enough was enough and I couldn’t pretend anymore and knew I had to get in a healthier headspace for own sake. I needed to break free from her. It would’ve been better if she could’ve enabled that freedom, but she hasn’t, so low I’m forced to do it on my terms. Being realistic about what I would get out of a relationship with her is hard to accept.

I often wonder if she thinks along your lines and whether she should try to patch things up. Your post gives me hope in a way that my mother might feel the same. But you see, there is no trust. I don’t trust my mother anymore. I would be hard-pressed to believe that she genuinely wanted to put things right fit the right reasons. She will not change. So at the moment keeping her at arms length is what works best for me. It’s not easy and it hurts but it’s currently the lesser of two evils.

For things to get any better, I need her to understand herself why what she’s done has been so hurtful. I need her to say “I should’ve put your feelings first when X happened and I didn’t and I can see why that was wrong”. But I can’t make her and knowing her as I do, she won’t get there on her own.

So, I suppose I’m sharing all this because maybe your daughter feels the same as me. Maybe the trust has gone. Maybe contact in Insel for will not be enough but if you can put yourself in your daughters shoes maybe you can understand where the hurt has come from and then try to unpick it a bit.

RosaWaiting · 27/05/2019 19:32

OP "I just would like to know if she wants a period on her own or if she wishes this to be a forever thing"

perhaps she doesn't know yet.

DeRigueurMortis · 27/05/2019 19:38

* I* have done some very serious self reflection ( I have decided that I am right of course ! )

Well stating the obvious both your daughters disagree with you and thus I think it's likely any réflection has had too much emphasis on the "self".

You can continue to be "right" and continue to be lonely.

What is particularly telling is your elder DD refusing to facilitate contact with your grandchild.

At some point she's concluded that not having a relationship with her grandmother (and explaining that to a young child) is a good thing.

A decision to go NC yourself is hard, making that also in behalf of your children is not one made flippantly.

LeebieAnn · 27/05/2019 19:49

Youngest daughter has history of going LowC for periods of time with all members of our family. I had 4 children now 39, 37 , 32, 30. I divorced their father ( violently abusive ) when the youngest ( DD in question) was around 5 and raised them as a single parent with no support from my ex. We were inevitably very very close right up until she went to University. After this she always travelled extensively and I became quite used to not hearing from her for months at a time. She also spent a lot of time with my oldest daughter and also lived with her in Australia for over a year. She has since always been " tricky" is the best way I can explain it.
She turned 30 this year ( 4th July ) and out of discussions around her would be celebrations she accused me of loving her less than the other children .( Very tearful and convinced) She became a vegan a few years back and alongside that has said that she does not want presents that are unethical , and preferably from a charity shop; it makes it hard sometimes. That said, my oldest girl DD39 was back in the UK ( from Doha) around that time and phoned me because she had seen some yoga items in an Oxfam shop and asked did I want her to buy them for me to give to DD30 as they would be together on the day.They cost £27 and when I asked should I send the money back to DD39 she said not to worry but wait till I saw her. DD30 found out after the event and in the accusations made it that I " could not even be bothered to buy her a present and then did not pay for it so really it was a present from DD39". I hardly bothered trying to defend my stance.
So, birthday celebration was arranged by her to be a picnic in the park back where I raised them . DD30 told me the plan after I questioned but said that " Dad would be there so she supposed I would not want to be" That is untrue as I don't need to see him but it does not worry me unduly if I have to. We had managed a wedding and a couple of christenings and a funeral with no unseemly behaviour. Anyway, I accepted that I was not invited and after a week or so offered to meet up with her in London to have our own celebration by going to Tate Modern or similar and have some lunch. She absolutely blanked me.
Gosh this is so hard to explain because it is still not the reason for the total NC that we are at at the moment. The relationship is complex and typified by my either ignoring or forgiving her poor manners or outright rudeness over the years.

I will leave it at that for the moment . . . tbc ...

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