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Dealing with adult temper tantrums

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PointdeVue · 08/05/2019 09:55

I'm writing after a big argument with my wife, and I realise every side has two stories, and I'm going to try to be as objective as possible.

My wife and I have disagreements about tidiness, which I guess is common enough, but whereas I think most people can meet in the middle, every so often, my wife will end up having a temper tantrum that is uncontrollable.

We went away this weekend to visit family, and we had a great family. I was the last person to leave the house on Thursday when we left. My wife is quite insistent about a number of jobs that I have to do before I leave the house. I'd put the blinds down, emptied the bin, unplugged the toaster, etc. When we got back on Monday evening, she immediately saw that the dishwasher had been left with the clean dishes in after the cycle had finished, there were some plates on the drying rack (dry), and the surface, by her standards, wasn't clean enough.

She starts screaming at the top of her voice at me, and I can't control her. She is saying how she hates me. I tried to keep calm, and I pointed out that we shouldn't shout. She continues screaming, and she ends up pouring a jug of water over me.

We sit in different rooms for a while, and when I go to bed, she screams for me to get out of bed. When I go to sleep in the guest bed, she screams to get out of the guest bed.

Eventually, next day she comes home, and starts screaming again. We have a guest, and when they go, she starts screaming again. I'm just trying to get some peace here and go and watch TV. When I go to bed, she ends up waking me at 2 in the morning to show me how to clean the kitchen properly (at one point, she even said she was thinking of killing herself over the cleanliness). Today, I am now exhausted.

I've tried to explain to her that her screaming and over-reaction is so out of normality, that I don't know how to react. She however thinks my tidiness in the kitchen is the real problem, whereas it seems clear to me that her reaction is the major problem. It would have taken less than five minutes to clean up the mess when we came home on Monday.

She says I don't take her seriously on the cleanliness, and to be honest, it's true. I'm not a neat freak, but I'm also fairly average in that regard. She sees my "messiness" as a big "fuck you" to her.

Most of the time, she is lovely, and I would say we have similar instances a few times a year (maybe around four times) where she flies off the handle. She doesn't seem to recognise the problem.

I know that many would say if it were the other way around, I should just leave, but I don't want to, and I love her, and I think we should be able to find a way around it.

I'd be grateful for any help, and also anything I might be missing. I want to see things from her point of view. Thanks

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 09/05/2019 16:36

But he shouldn't have to do EVERYTHING.
It's a shared household.
He's already said it's split 70:30 with him already doing a lot more.
So he does more than his share.
He works full time as well.
So while he is doing 70% of everything (I reckon this could be more) then she should not be screaming at him for leaving 1 plate on the draining board. Any normal person would just put away and appreciate the fact that it's clean and dry!
She should not be abandoning him 100 miles away from home.
She should not be waking him at 2am to show him how to clean. If it's not to her standards then she can feckin' well do it herself!!!
She should not be throwing jugs of water over him.
After everything the OP has said and all the awful behaviour his DW has displayed, I just don't think any of us can believe that you still don't 'get it' greenberet and are still defending her vile behaviour.
There is no excuse for any of it.
It really is a simple as that!

greenberet · 09/05/2019 16:39

I’m sorry Op your going through this I really am - I hope you manage to resolve your issues and that it turns out you can save your marriage! If your wife is unwell I hope she can get support.

If it is more than this I’m sorry for not taking it as you said it and for asking questions to get a better understanding.

As I said try and talk and listen to each other if you can - good luck

greenberet · 09/05/2019 16:45

By reading this thread I get it that you are all completely ok with your own behaviour and your own summisation if what is happening here - That none of you have any abusive tendencies of your own whatsoever in any understanding of the word - because let’s face it words can be abusive can’t they and so can ganging up on one poster and discrediting what they are saying.

My points are just as valid as the rest of you - I may be wrong I’m prepared to admit that but you lot are so cock sure that you’ve already found the poor woman guilty - if this is society god help us!

ravenmum · 09/05/2019 16:47

We can see that you're still suffering repercussions, greenberet. I hope that your diagnosis means you are getting medical help.

Acis · 09/05/2019 16:55

Yes, I did see that, greenberet. What difference does it make? You said "She may just be completely fucked off trying to get her DH to take notice of what she is saying which she has said many a time and has to continue saying." The bit you quote is OP's report of his wife's perspective. We don't know that it's a justified perspective; what stands out to me from that quote is the wife "tellling" OP what to do, and feeling angry that he hasn't done "everything" that she expects him to do, whether it's necessary or not. What happened to asking him, taking into account his opinion as to whether it's actually necessary, and contributing more help herself?

greenberet · 09/05/2019 16:56

You know What would help is that I don’t get slated every time I have a different opinion to others -

The irony here I’m on here because my MH is not good - trying to distract myself from my own issues - and they say what helps is trying to help others - so I get caught by threads that resonate with me -

And what happens - every bloody time I end up getting abused by people on MN who can’t understand where I’m coming from - yes abused - by the people telling the Op not to tolerate abuse - yet they are dishing it out themselves - because they do not understand a basic fundamental requirement of any relationship in that we are entitled to have our own opinions - what is more I believe this is talked about in the freedom programme and here you are having done the bloody programme unable to tolerate that I have a different opinion.

What a bloody success!

greenberet · 09/05/2019 17:03

Acis - it looks to me like a justified perspective - why wouldn’t it be - if everything else has to be taken as fact then why not this too - I would assume that they are way past that stage But am I allowed to say this as it might imply victim blaming!

ravenmum · 09/05/2019 17:06

Greenberet, your plan is clearly backfiring - this is making your mental health worse. There is no "you and them" here on MN; just people sat in different places having a discussion. I can't speak for anyone else, but what I am trying to do by disagreeing with some of the points made is to defend the OP against accusations that he has brought on his wife's behaviour, by not cleaning up properly or whatever. I'm not out to get you or trying to gang up on you with a load of other total strangers. I'm just doing my best not to explain away or condone violent behaviour.

Like I say, this discussion isn't helping you. I personally found counselling very helpful.

How about you go out for a walk, go to the cinema, listen to the radio, properly get your mind on a different subject? Then come back in a few days' time. Or find another "hobby".

PickAChew · 09/05/2019 17:08

Show us where you are being abused, greenberet

You are being disagreed with. Pretty respectfully, at that.

One minute you were suggesting that waking someone up, screaming at them, pouring water over them, etc isn't necessarily abusive. Now you are saying that people not agreeing with you, simply not agreeing with you, not resorting to personal attacks, name calling etc, are abusing you.

If you feel so attacked for having a minority opinion, it would be better for you to hide this thread and find something less stressful for you, to fill your evening.

PickAChew · 09/05/2019 17:09

Being disagreed with, respectful, is not abuse.

PickAChew · 09/05/2019 17:10

The post I thought had disappeared into the ether reappeared, there. Confused

dreichuplands · 09/05/2019 17:14

Being disagreed with isn't abusive.
Throwing water over people and waking people up to get them to clean at 2am is.
Prolonged screaming at people is.
I do get wanting to scream and throw things, I have said this earlier. But it isn't okay and me being tempted to do it doesn't make it okay.
greenberet I hope you find some relaxing activities to do that help your MH.

BlingLoving · 09/05/2019 17:15

I cann't comment on how serious the issues really are as it's impossible to know what's really going on. But her reaction is OTT and unacceptable, even if you WERE doing things that were disrespectful.
DH and I have arguments about cleaning/tidying sometimes. Usually involves one of us stomping around the house yelling and slamming doors for a few minutes and it blows over.

Similarly, I think someone who is acting this way, for whatever reason, needs to get help or accept the consequences. I told Dh I wouldn't marry him if he didn't deal with is anger issues. So he did. It involved lots of work and soul searching and realisations about himself, but it helped immeasurably.

greenberet · 09/05/2019 17:46

Ravenmum - I didn’t actually feel that you were abusing me - but I have changed my mind with your words your plan is backfiring - I don’t have a plan - as for the rest of your comments I find them pretty patronising!

There is a consistent misconstruction or misunderstanding of what I have said to justify your disagreements with me - no one has asked for clarification just assumed wrongly.

Even when I have gone on to explain further it is just ignored.

Ironically as much as this pisses me off that I get treated like this every time - it helps clear my mind in that I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt until I am sure.

greenberet · 09/05/2019 17:50

I just don't think any of us can believe that you still don't 'get it' greenberet and are still defending her vile behaviour

This is abusive implying that my opinion is not valid - us implies a group and nowhere have I defended her behaviour - I have said it is abusive

greenberet · 09/05/2019 17:53

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WobniarRewolf · 09/05/2019 17:55

@PointdeVue My mum was (and, to an extent, still is) like your wife. It was horrible for everyone in the household, and it made home a scary place to be for me and my brother as children. I truly don't know why my dad stayed with her and I wish he hadn't.

Your wife is abusing you. It doesn't matter that she's all sweetness and light the rest of the time. She's telling you who she really is when she pours water on you, deserts you 100 miles from home, won't let you sleep in either of your beds, and forces you to watch her clean at 2am. She's telling you loud and clear. It's time to listen to what she's telling you, and make some self-preservation plans.

Again: you do NOT deserve this, and it is not normal or acceptable.

greenberet · 09/05/2019 18:00

greenberet just please stop. We all know you loathe your ex with every fibre of your being, but this is not the time to blame the man

This is abusive - who is the ‘we’

Making wrong and exaggerated assumptions about my personal life

And why should I stop when it is a free discussion - again because I have a different perspective. - controlling behaviour? Only allowed to say something if I agree with everyone else

Surfingtheweb · 09/05/2019 18:23

I'm a "clean freak" according to everyone 😂 I think I just have a show home expectation. But I know that not everyone wants the end result I want, so I take their help & then I finish everything off to make it how I want it. I would never go mental at anyone else as I know what "I want" isn't what everyone wants. Your partner sounds unstable & abusive.

FuriousVexation · 09/05/2019 18:54

Everyone I suggest please ignore the poster who is clearly crying out for help and projecting their issues onto this and derailing the thread.

OP - you said that you got the feeling last night that you both just wanted a night without drama.

Did you feel an extra pressure to make sure everything was absolutely pristine in the kitchen? Did you feel you needed to keep away from contentious topics to keep the peace? When your W entered the kitchen after you had cooked and cleaned, did you feel anxious that she would find something you had missed? Were you worried that you might have bought the "wrong" food/ingredient again?

greenberet · 09/05/2019 19:08

@FuriousVexation - are you referring to me - how dare you presume to know anything about me - I am not going to stand by and be accused of something I have not done

ElspethFlashman · 09/05/2019 19:58

Feel even more sorry for the OP now. Came here for help, hasn't had a look in all day.

Hope you come back, OP.

gamerchick · 09/05/2019 20:00

@FuriousVexation - are you referring to me - how dare you presume to know anything about me - I am not going to stand by and be accused of something I have not done

To be fair this is the vibe you're giving off.

Maybe you should hide the thread, it's obviously doing you no good at all.

greenberet · 09/05/2019 20:16

Why do you have to keep commenting on anything I have said - your comments are unnecessary and are not helping Op either - I take this to be abusive and goading behaviour - if you feel this thread is causing me harm why do you not just leave me alone

Wallywobbles · 09/05/2019 20:22

@greenberet this thread seems to be about you now. Not sure that helps the OP.